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Crowdog
Save some beach for vehicles

To the Editor:

Does it matter to these extreme environmentalists the millions of people that will be affected by this beach closing? Just to name a few: the disabled, which I have taken out on several occasions, the fisherman, the business owners and the families. 99 percent of the thousands of people I've talked to want this beach left as is.

Is it too much to ask for less than 1 percent of the coastline to remain open for families to recreate in this rare form?

We've given up approximately 14,000 acres of beach since 1982. Nothing is being done in this area to promote or monitor the plover. Since the extreme enviros want our area so bad and don't care about the land they have already taken then, lets trade! Shouldn't they be promoting nesting habitats in the thousands of acres they already have?

Friends of Oceano Dunes have offered to help promote nesting in the 98 percent of beach that has been taken away. That would be too easy and inexpensive I assume. Instead they concentrate on affecting millions of people. Gordon Hensley said it is obvious that a least tern they have found dead on the beach was struck by a vehicle. This is a false statement. All that was proven was "blunt trauma." This bird could have flown into a window of a home by the beach or a vehicle on Hwy. 1 for all he knows. Don't listen to these false statements that are trying to mislead you. If you want the truth go to www.oceanodunes.org or call (805)788-4926.

Ginger Schenk

Oceano

Letters to the Editor for May 2, 2002
www.santamariatimes.com

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Removing loggerheads would save more plovers

To the Editor:

In your article Friday ("Coastal Commission faces future of Oceano Dunes," April 26) about the Oceano Dunes State Vehicular Recreational Area, you mentioned that Gordon Hensley reported that one of the snowy plover chicks in the park was recently killed by "blunt trauma," which could only mean one thing; the bird was struck by an off-road vehicle.

I remember reading about that last year, but also in the same story it was reported that 48 other snowy plover chicks had been eaten by loggerhead shrikes.

It seems to me that removal of the loggerhead shrikes would save more snowy plovers than removal of off-road vehicles would do.

Alf F. Halsteen

Pismo Beach

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Plover adapted well before wackos came

To the Editor:

For several years, Central Coast citizens have been bombarded with threats of Oceano Beach closure by the environmentalist wackos to protect the little snowy plover. What they don't realize is that this little bird has adapted to the other users of the beach very well even before the environmentalist came into the picture.

Even one egg missing from a known nest could cause grounds for closure. How many times have you been at the beach in the earliest hours of the day to see the tracks of the coyote and the many raccoons that hide in the deep brush after a full meal of the many morsels found by these animals?

Kids flying kites have been cited on the beach by park rangers because the kite could scare the sweet little bird, thinking it was being attacked by a killer hawk.

The beach at Lompoc has been closed to the citizens of the nation during the breeding and hatching season of the snowy plover. The word is to keep out the picnickers and the surfers until summer is over.

Now I read in the Los Angeles Times that the Marines could be restricted from training at Camp Pendleton because of the snowy plover.

It seems to me that these birds are on all the beaches of California and not endangered at all. Is this the wacko's way of screaming "endangered species" just to have the beach to themselves?

Don Niday

Pismo Beach

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Closing beach affects more than off-roaders

To the Editor:

I am not a biologist, an environmentalist or an off-roader. I have not been in the ocean in four years, but I spent 25 years surfing from Shell Beach to the Santa Maria River mouth.

In the fall and very early spring, some of the best waves are between Oso Flaco Lake and the Santa Maria River mouth. In the early '80s, I bought a four-wheel-drive to get to that stretch of beach.

My first trip down the beach in my four-wheeler, I was amazed to find the beach closed off. I was told the snowy plover was the reason. In my opinion the beach had been closed because someone wanted it that way for themselves.

I was born a raised in Arroyo Grande and have spent my whole life on the beach. Over the years, more beach has been closed, and it is said the birds keep dying. Common sense tells me that if there are less cars on the beach and the birds are still in decline, it is not because of the cars.

A recent TPR article says a young chick was killed by blunt trauma, so that means that only an auto could have killed it. Is that speculation or a fact?

Closing the beach does not only affect the off-road people, but it also affects surfers, fishermen and the local economy.

Keep the beach open and keep all beach users happy. Do not cave in to a small group of people only interested in their special wants and needs.

Mark Jones

Arroyo Grande

www.timespressrecorder.com
Bluesky
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Keep the beach open and keep all beach users happy. Do not cave in to a small group of people only interested in their special wants and needs.


does that mean you don't care about the snowy plover?
KingGlamis
Blu, you are so full of it. The Western Snowy Plover is found all along the western coast of North America. From Baja to Washington. I guess you choose to ignore this FACT. Five miles of beach open to vehicles is not going to impact a species that has thousands of square miles to live in. In other words, once again Bluesky is ignoring/twisting/lying about/too dumb to know the truth about, the real issues.
Doug
Fireballsocal
Just some bird with a stupid name right? Just extract some dna and if they die off, clone it. End of problem.
KingGlamis
By the way Blu, you being the enviro expert that you are, please tell us what other species your kind is trying to preserve (without due cause) at the Oceano Dunes? While you are at it, please explain the procedures that the State Parks department are using to save these species.

What is that you say? You don't know? You're not aware of these issues? Well then don't comment on them here.

Sure, after reading this post you will most certainly search the internet in a desperate attempt to find some info to make some sort of lame response. Don't bother Blu, we've got you figured out. All blab, no real substance.
Bluesky
I do read though. I've read about the plight of the plover. I saw the enlarged conservation area for them at Coal Oil Point. I saw healthy populations of them that hadn't been there before. Though my mind is still open to the topic and continuing to investigate, I have enough info to form an opinion.
Crowdog
Viewpoint / Dick Taylor: Battle of the Dunes
Saturday May 04, 2002, 07:30:09 PM


An area that thousands of Kern County residents my family included have enjoyed for almost 100 years may soon be closed. Oceano Dunes, formerly known as Pismo Beach, may very well be closed off to the public.

Last November, the Sierra Club and the Environmental Defense Fund filed a lawsuit claiming the state Parks Department was not doing enough to protect three animal species and demanding the immediate closure of Oceano Dunes State Vehicular Recreation Area. Ironically, many Sierra Club members are unaware of the extremist and fanatical nature of their movement's leaders. They pay their $15 or $30 a year for membership to further what they view as an environmentally responsible approach to stewardship of our earth and its beauty. The Sierra Club is now a $95 million a year business.

The Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation Division of the California Department of Parks and Recreation is a model for similar efforts in other states. It was created in 1971 with the cooperation of the Sierra Club. It is now opposed by a new generation of environmental extremists who want to turn California's deserts, forests and beaches into a great outdoor museum, where we can look, but not touch.

These environmental extremists have a single goal when it comes to off-highway vehicle recreation areas: close them all down. They have succeeded in closing hundreds of thousands of acres of popular recreation areas, including Imperial Sand Dunes in Southern California. Now they are trying to close Oceano Dunes on the Central Coast. There are only 1,500 acres remaining at Oceano Dunes where people can drive vehicles on the beach and camp.

Many families who visit Oceano Dunes have parents and grandparents who have been going there for decades some since the invention of the automobile.

In their assault on Oceano Dunes, the extremists are attacking some of their political allies. Their lawsuit comes at a time when Gov. Gray Davis is taking credit for increasing environmental protection at state parks.With friends like these, Davis needs no enemies.

Last November, the Sierra Club and the Environmental Defense Fund filed suit demanding the immediate closure of Oceano Dunes SVRA. The suit claims that state parks officials have not protected three species at the dunes: the western snowy plover, the least tern and steelhead trout.

The Davis administration is standing side by side with the off-road community in this fight. When environmental extremists go to war, truth is the first casualty. So it is in this legal battle.

Their charges like almost all the charges filed by these extremists are false. In fact, the snowy plover and least tern are thriving at Oceano Dunes. It is the most successful habitat for these birds on the West Coast. According to a study completed just four months ago by the Point Reyes Bird Observatory, snowy plovers most often die because of predators (coyotes and ravens) that live in the wilderness area adjacent to Oceano Dunes.

With their attack on Oceano Dunes, the environmental extremists are simply expanding their scorched-earth warfare. In 2001, they managed to close more than 800,000 acres of public land to the public. Of course, all of these areas have been popular off-road recreation areas that's why they were targeted. In their efforts the extremists were aided and abetted by a federal agency that is supposed to serve the public: the Bureau of Land Management.

Ten of these closures followed the same suspicious pattern. In 2000, another extremist group, the Center for Biological Diversity, sued the BLM for allegedly violating the federal Endangered Species Act. Then, the bueau and their center friends quietly without the public notice environmental review required by law agreed to settle the lawsuit. How? By agreeing to close each of these popular off-road recreation areas to vehicle recreation.

Close first, find a reason for the closure later. That's the BLM policy in each of these closures. Like someone who shoots first and asks questions later, the bureau closed these areas first, then decided to do an environmental review to justify their actions.

What about the reasons cited for some desert closures here in the desert of Kern County? The "threatened" desert tortoise. (The most recent closure took effect March 29 and closed 17,000 more acres of off-road recreation area near California City.) The desert tortoise may be dying out, but scientific studies have documented that the tortoise is the victim of a contagious respiratory disease and by predator ravens not of the OHVs. Even in areas that have been closed to vehicles for 15 years, the number of tortoises continues to decline.

We need support to fight wealthy, devious opponents. These extremists are well financed. They know how to use scare tactics, pious rhetoric and plain falsehoods to milk money from good-hearted but ill-informed donors. The extremists have the priceless additional advantage of allies within government agencies and liberal politicians.

The California Coastal Commission is a group whose members are appointed by the governor and the leaders of the state Senate and Assembly. It has jurisdiction over Oceano Dunes and its members are sympathetic to the environmental extremists.

Davis, his staff and the Department of Parks and Recreation are working hard to keep Oceano Dunes open. The coastal commission is threatening to ignore scientific evidence and not grant the Parks Department an operating permit this. The reason is not from lack of performance by the Parks Department, but because it will be making a stand against the commission. Oceano Dunes area is the recognized leader in producing constructive and enforceable standards in protecting wildlife. In spite of that fact, environmental fanatics continually provide misleading and false information regarding the park in an effort to inflame the public.

This tactic was successful in closing the public beaches at Lompoc and Vandenberg. Oceano Dunes has 1,250,000 visitors annually over 50 percent coming from the Central Valley. It also generates over $100 million annually to local communities.

If the coastal commission denies the Department of Parks and Recreation its permit, beach closure is likely. This would force the issue into the courts, where the science, data and performance by state parks will allow the coastal commission to be overturned.

Dick Taylor of Bakersfield is the Central California field representative for the California Off-Road Vehicle Association and president of the Kern Off-Highway Vehicle Association.

http://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/story/1...p-1152695c.html
Stacy
Let me just tell you all, it was very hard not to get choked up at the CCC meeting. A few times I needed to leave the room the gather myself. We had MANY tearful testimonies, it was a very emotional day.
The Pastor
Here's the thing that gets me...
It is assumed...
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Keep the beach open and keep all beach users happy. Do not cave in to a small group of people only interested in their special wants and needs.
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does that mean you don't care about the snowy plover?



That because we fight to keep public land open to the public that we don't care about the precious plants and animals.

This is like saying that someone who is pro-choice doesn't care about babies...

Whether I care about the Snowey Plover or not is irrelevant... They are thriving and it is only junk or outdated science that says otherwise.
Like... "It was killed by blunt trauma therefore it must have been hit by an off-road vehicle"...

Where's the science there?

I've said it before and I'll say it again...
There will be NO compromises...
You environmentalists may just find yourselves at the loosing end of a revolution because this type of stuff is going to end!

Vor

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May the Dune Gods Smile Upon You
ShiftingDunes.com
DuneAddict
ok wait one thing stuck out.. the loggerhead shrikes (i never heard of that but oh well) are eating the snowy plover.. isnt that nature taking care of itself?? im confused on this?? if nature is killing of a speceis because of natures way who are we to go against nature??? or am i just missing it here?
Stacy
You're not missing it.

One thing that I found very interesting that Ruth Coleman (acting director of State Parks) said was that there are places on the coast where recovery is obviously not going to happen. She cited places like Huntington Beach and Bolsa Chica. Places where there is a huge volume of visitors. This made me really mad. Here we are saying that we know snowy plovers could never recoop at these beaches so we aren't going to try, but the environmentalists are still pushing it at Pismo. This just proves to me that there is some agenda to wipe out all OHVs and that these birdies are merely a tool. I don't see them pulling this same b.s. at beaches up and down the coast where there is high human populations! Do you know you can't even fly kites at Oceano now, and they are trying to disallow dogs (even leashed) there too!

Stacy
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