DUNERS has just learned that the United Desert Gateway has taken a brave step forward and will be organizing the next annual north dunes cleanup.

It's my understanding that this will fulfill at least one of the major "task orders" the UDG has agreed to take on for the BLM.

DUNERS can attest to just how major this particular task order really is. It should actually count for three!

Just kidding, it's not that bad. The last two years have been a lot of fun and DUNERS wishes the UDG the best of luck.

Don't forget to mark your calendars now for January 14, 2006!

Vicki

What happened to Mike330r's post and why was his question not answered?

I got the same question via PM, what a coincidence.

I don't have to explain the deletion (but I will say it was done with Mike's blessings) and in fact, could have simply deleted this post too. But I want to make something very clear.

Whether or not you care about the cleanup or the dunes or the damage you are poised to do for the sake of your own "drama" or "entertainment" doesn't matter to me. The people on this message board, and I, do care about the dunes and the cleanup and are not interested in your drama or entertainment.

And there will be no nonsense allowed.

Don't like it? Complain to the message board owners.

Vicki

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I got the same question via PM, what a coincidence.
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Not from me.

Whether it fits your definition of nonsense or not, I guess people just want to know. An inocent question seems to have struck a nerve. That in it self leeds one to wonder.

If we won't be allowed to take this up here I am sure the question will come up elsewhere where I don't have to speak to the owners of the message board.

Don't like it? I guess you have no one to complain to then.

Delete away, I'll get a screen shot while I can.

It stays. It says so much more than I could, ever.

Vicki

I get the concept - it also applies when a post is deleted.

Oh my. Does that apply to posts deleted from other message boards as well?

Vicki

If I'm in the dunes that weekend, I'll swing by for the cleanup. If not, I always pick up a few more things than I dump off anyway...

I'll be there. I had fun helping out last year with you guys, was kind of looking forward to it again this year but the ultimate goal at hand is what's important.

i'll be there with or without a bike!

I need some clarification on this. UDG is running the clean up on MLK weekend now and Duners is out? How did this come about? Finally, if this accounted for three tasks for Duners, what tasks will Duners be taking on in 2006?

How did it come about? The UDG signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the BLM, a partnership of sorts, which allows the UDG to help the BLM perform certain task orders more quickly... as I understand it, it's like the amount of red tape is substantially reduced.

And the cleanup is a dandy tool for fulfilling one or more of those task orders.

As for the "three tasks" remark, that was just a joking reference to the amount of work that goes into the event. I really don't know how many task orders will or can be fulfilled via the cleanup.

What will DUNERS be doing in 2006? Certified training, Junior Duner sessions, cleanups, the skies the limit. There's been talk of an Easter Weekend event but nothing firm yet

This weekend DUNERS will be doing the Sand Car Challenge and some of us will also be attending the Desert Advisory Council meeting.

By the way, there are many task orders that the BLM needs help with, so if anyone is so inclined, contact the BLM for more information.

Vicki

Now THAT is a "PC" response...!!!

Congrats to the UDG. And thanks to DUNERS as well as TRUE EXCITEMENT for last years efforts.

Trash and it's associated problems will be a major issue at the ISDRA in the future '

Look for major Litter Education?Outreach this year.

Yeah, the whole damn dunes are littered with Funcos! Hopefully at the 2006 cleanup I can find an abandoned one to take home with me.

Does the UDG think they will get a better turn out then the Duners get. I think not unless they start posting on all the boards.

The turn-out for the MLK Clean Up has gotten bigger each year regardless of who hosted it.

Posting about it all over boards has started already. Gotta remember, this event won't take place for several more months. It's a bit early to start shouting about it now.

Anyway, I concur with Grant; thanks to DUNERS and TRUE EXCITEMENT for a great job last year!

And to DUNERS for the year before, but most importantly, we all owe a huge thanks to Jennifer and Rob Whyte of Project SAND, who started this event in the first place.

Their devotion to the dunes and desire to organize a day aimed at cleaning up while honoring those who truly love Glamis was an inspiration to DUNERS. It was only with their guidance that DUNERS was able to succeed so greatly that first year. Bringing it back to their vision was an honor and a privilege.

Vicki
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Regardless of how I feel about how and why this came to be, I wish for nothing but success for anyone that does anything to help Mother Glamis.

It was a priviledge to work with the DUNERS volunteers at the last two cleanups.

I just hope this isn't the beginning of the commercialization of the cleanup...

I agree Frankie
I will be a sad day when some other Orgs or shops try to make a quick buck or sell raffle tickets at the clean up when it should be about making glamis a cleaner place and not about making money.

The bottom line (and brass ring we must focus on) is clean dunes.

In the end, that is all that will matter.

I believe the UDG will be looking for guidance and/or assistance with this event and am confident they will be gathering information and suggestions from all areas, including the online message boards.

Maintaining the momentum of this event is crucial to it's continuing, and that won't be missed by the UDG.

Vicki
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Is UDG taking over BOTH clean-ups or just north dunes?



That has allready been the case. Some allready tried, with some success, to capture more $$ by careful placement of their goods very near the clean-up compound.
I just hope, as do you that this does not become more common and acceptable.

If the clean-up becomes for profit, I'll let the paid people do it while I dune.

And for the record, I have no reason to believe that UDG will do anything but a good job. I wish them and the clean-up continued good luck.

I don't know the answer to that, but it sounds like they will be doing both.

But to clarify a point...

The UDG, as an organization, does not have the staff to "man" these events, and will be relying on outside assistance to complete these task orders. It's an interesting concept, I know, and difficult to explain... even the BLM had trouble answering all of my questions.

The UDG will, I believe, maintain control over the direction the cleanups take and as I said, I am confident they will seek guidance from many venues.

Vicki

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Tom, just to clear something up... I know, and you know, but others who are reading might not know...

You are not referring to Suspensions Unlimited, who originally had their stuff setup further down the road until we convinced them to move closer to the compound.

We did that because Suspensions Unlimited was a primary cleanup sponsor and has consistently supported not only the cleanup, but DUNERS' efforts in Sacramento and Washington.

They did not sell anything, not cars, t-shirts, stickers, calendars or raffle tickets. They knew ahead of time they would not be doing so and still they came, with a truckload of stuff for the kids, and lots of giveaway prizes for the rest.

They were there to support our efforts and Glamis and we were proud to have them within close proximity to the cleanup.

Vicki

Thanks Vicki...that was the first thing that came to my misinformed mind.

Ditto!

The minute something is being sold, I'm out! Nothing wrong with companies that donate time,money and iteams cant recoup with mere advertising. That has been going on since day one.

But you start slinging crap at the clean up for cash, shame on you. This include org's. selling stuff for there own profit, or (non-profit)

Its a time for duners to come together and clean up! And companies that sponser should have there name in the spot light for stepping up to the plate!


Either way I'm sure they will do as good as job or better than DUNERS did.

Well, I'm glad I was able to clear up at least some of your misinformed mind



Vicki

WHAT EVER BLA,BLA ,BLA!!!

I'll be there with trash bags in hand no matter who runs it!!!!

It's all good, In the neighborhood Glamis Neighborhood that is

You win some, you lose some...I was waiting for you to lace into me when I showed up at your camp, why'd you hold back?

hehehehe

Glamis always puts me in such a good mood... hard to start flaming right out of the gate.

And the weather was too warm.

Now... catch me around the campfire in, say, mid December and then the game iis ON.

Vicki

Okay, no more hijack, I promise...

Slap was proud to rock and roll with DUNER's SailAway, a fine job done by you and your crew indeed. Thank you for taking the torch when you did, and Mother G thanks you also. Lookin forward to playin more in da future with ya

And to the new folks dat will take on the challenge: Good luck, we'll be rockin right along here in da SlapArmy

I didn't now "True Excitement" was a for-profit company until now. Seems a bit wierd??? Take a look, http://www.trueexcitement.com/

True Excitement is a for profit company. So?

They did the clean up without making any money or attempting to.

Many sponsors are "for profit." So what?

"Sponsor?" I thought they were in charge of the south dunes cleanup last year entirely... like DUNERS has been for the north dunes cleanup for two years... not just a "sponsor?"

Regardless, it is clear that non-profit versus for-profit in relation to supporting the BLM in their task orders or even in relation to supporting the UDG in the completion of their task orders is a non-issue.

And that is a most excellent point.

Vicki

I (True Excitement)will be meeting with the UDG and the BLM next month and go over plans and ideas of what is to take place for the clean-up for next year. I will let everyone know more of what is going on after I meet with them.

Jarrod

Maybe it is just me, but it seems to comercialize the event when a "For profit" company is running the show, I think fewer people in the long run would go to these events when you see companies running it vs volunteers?

It surely is a fine line, between actually selling stuff at a cleanup and getting free exposure, at least in my opinion!

Well, TRUE EXCITEMENT may be a "for profit" company, but like I said, "so what???" Jarrod did a great job with the south dunes clean up! Had a great turn out. Seems the volunteers didn't care.

UDG is a non-profit. So what's the problem here? Why are you trying to make an issue about something that isn't?

Just move on.

I agree, who cares who runs the show, the results are the same. Cleaner dunes, better understanding of the issues, and a great chance to make the non duning public see that everyone cares.

For profit, or non profit, it makes no difference, as long as the out come is cleaner dunes and more public awareness.

C’mon people. I don’t think you’re all that naïve. Every company is in it for profit. That’s why they are in business. Go call up someone and ask for a donation, but tell em’ they don’t get any exposure or free advertising, or a spot on the T-shirt and see how much free stuff you walk away with. Then see how much MORE support you get if you tell em’ to bring a booth and show off what they got.

Yes, there are several businesses (Funco, Suspensions Unlimited, Gilmores, Extreme, are a few that come to mind, though not all) that go beyond the call of duty and would most likely contribute even if they got nothing in return, but they are the exceptions, not the rule.

I agree that Suspensions Unlimited was a key sponsor of DUNERS clean up effort last year and I don’t begrudge them the spot they had for their set up. I thank Cathy and Co. for their support of a very positive, valuable event. While it is admiralable that they didn’t sell any cars at the Clean Up, I am sure they handed out plenty of business cards, and the value of the advertising that they got is immeasurable. EVERYONE remembers which business was set up directly across from the Clean Up.

It would not have bothered me if they had sold tons of cars all day long out there. The more cars (or stuff) they (or anyone) sells, the better it is for our sport.

Is the ASA one of the ‘nameless’ non-profit .orgs that likes to sell stuff at these events? You betcha. It’s a great opportunity to interact with some Joe Duners we might not otherwise see. While that may help promote the ASA, in the long run, it helps make our playground a better place, and just may help keep it open. Do I think the attendance at the Clean Up would be affected by the ‘commercialization’ of the Clean Up. (If such a thing happens). YES, I do. MORE people will show up and participate.

Take a look at the SSSS. Take a look at Vendors Row. There will be groups of people who show up and clean up the dunes even if, at the end of it all, the only thing they get is a pat on the back and a big thank you. But to expect everyone to have that same level of caring is unrealistic. The world doesn’t work that way. On the last MLK weekend, how many people were in the dunes? Somewhere between 40,000-60,000. Of that how many participated? Even if you said 4,000 and used 40,000, that’s only 10%. THAT is the number we need to increase. It is saddening that people have such dislike and hate that they would NOT participate in the Clean Up because the ASA was selling stuff there.

I know that not many here will support this message or position, but that’s ok., I have big drawer full of Nomex undies.

Well now, that's exactly what we've believed all along.

Vicki

Will people really not go because of too much selling? Who knows. There are some pretty strong feelings about the issue, that's for sure.

Just to clarify though, and everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinions on this... whether it is legal or can be done, the point that is important to many is that making money on that day, no matter how "worthy" the cause, was never the intent of the event and while there were a couple or three years where it was heading in that direction, the change back to the event's "roots" was most welcome, by users and vendors alike. Those days are gone again, and that's just the way it is.

So it won't be the "9th Annual Glamis Dunes Cleanup." Whatever it is, being held on that weekend it is a sure thing that it will result in some bags of trash being filled up and that's good for Glamis and good for us all.

Vicki

Ok, I agree that the dunes is all that matter, so get off your soapboxes with that logic.

I thought Jarrod organized the South Dunes Clean up, but according to both Grant and Washroad, True Excitement was group that did the clean up? I was not aware until those post that a "FOR Profit" Company ran the clean up, I thought it was Jarrod?

Being a Sponser and actually running the event are two different things to me. I personally don't want to be part of an event if let's say it is run by Honda or any other company. That doesn't mean I don't clean up, heck I haven't missed a clean up yet. Maybe it is just a fine line that I think shouldn't be crossed when volunteers are out busting their backside to make the dunes a better place.

That is a pretty wild statement...
For a long time, non-profit status has been a selling point...or an excuse for non-support.
Your right, it doesnt matter. I dont care if someone is or isnt for profit and as such, they should not care if "I" am for profit or non-profit.
But it has been a battle cry for some...

As for the clean-up..a for profit org or company vrs a non profit running it...doesnt make a bit of difference to me.

What does make a difference is if it becomes a commercialized event. When it stops being a day for the dunes, a day for the duners a day of volunteerism, I will no long be a part of it. I dont want to see the clean-up become a day to gather vendors who will no dought spend more time selling their goods than giving back to the public.

The clean-up is a day to work for our dunes and in return,the very vendors who we support ALL year long, GIVE somthing back to us in the name of give-a-ways and donations. In my opinion, I have no interest in spending hours cleaning up the trash of others so I can then sit in the hot sun and have the opportunity to purchase goods. If I want to look at things for sale, I'll go to the shops or pay to get into the SSSS and let a paid employee pick up the trash.

The clean-up has been an all volunteer event since the beginning. It has been a non-money making event for the organizers since the beginning. It has been very successful since the beginning.
I suspect this tradition will end. I suspect this will become a mini SSSS in the sand.
I suspect my MLK weekends will be open to more duning...I applaud the past organizers of the clean-up...All the groups that did it in the past.

If the ASA, SDORC, ORBA or any other organization is there selling raffle tickets it's not making a profit. It's raising funds to continue the fight.

Making a profit would be if a vendor was there selling goods for their own benefit. If that happens, I say, one more time,

"So what?"

If a vendor makes a profit they are more able to help contribute to the effort.

No one is ever forced to participate. We're all volunteers. Don't like the way things are? OK, don't participate. If doing good for the dunes isn't something you want to do, don't.

BTW, Jarrod is TRUE EXCITEMENT!!

I don't think most care who runs it.

Just don't sell ANYTHING AT THE EVENT!

This includes non-profit groups!














When they start selling the numbers will go down. Hope that doesn't happen.

I am sure the vendors at vendor row that pay thousands in fees and permits would mind???

I have never had a problem with Organizations taking donations at the event for the cause, But selling t-shirts and raffle tickets is certainly a grey area.

Hey Washroad, I am sorry I didn't know that True Excitement and Jarrod were actually the same entity.

Well said!

This is a true statement. Some don't even think its grey. Its alot darker that that!

Great way to get more folks in! Heck why don't you just charge an entry fee?

Keep the clean up FREE!

Free of all groups selling anything!