here's a user-made pit between Calimesa and Beaumont. I'm sure you've seen it as you drive E on I-10 towards ISDRA.
When I got off the freeway to take some photos, I saw the NO TRESPASSING sign that is being ignored.
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So where's the OHV activity. For all we know from those photos the trails could have been made long before the no trespassing sign went up.
Not to mention you only show one tiny little sign which looks as though it may not even be very close to the actual hill itself. These photos appear to have been taken with a telephoto lens and those have a tendancy to compress distance. There could easily be several changes in land ownership between where that sign is and where the visible trails are.
Not to mention you have no proof of who made those trails. For all we know they could have been made by the very person who put up the "No Tresspassing" sign. There are people who enjoy riding on their own land as you have so often suggested we try.
Besides if these are indeed illegal trails - what does illegal riding have to do with legal riding in open areas like Glamis? If you want to use people riding in illegal areas as a reason to stop riding in legal areas I don't want to hear you complain about those who commit crimes in the name of environmentalism being used as a reason to stop the environmental movement. The comparison is the same.
Oh - and your assumption that we are all aware of this is completely off base. Not all of us take the I-10 to get to the ISDRA. I have never seen this area and have absolutely no clue where it is. Do you happen to know who the owner is? Are there any other "No Trespassing" signs? In some of your photos it looks like there's a dirt road running parallel to the hill near the bottom, could it be this is an actual road and the "No Trespassing" sign is marking the area between that road and the railroad tracks that appear in your photos?
These photos can show quite a few things depending on how you look at them. Funny how you only choose to see the only possibility you want to see.
Not to mention you only show one tiny little sign which looks as though it may not even be very close to the actual hill itself. These photos appear to have been taken with a telephoto lens and those have a tendancy to compress distance. There could easily be several changes in land ownership between where that sign is and where the visible trails are.
Not to mention you have no proof of who made those trails. For all we know they could have been made by the very person who put up the "No Tresspassing" sign. There are people who enjoy riding on their own land as you have so often suggested we try.
Besides if these are indeed illegal trails - what does illegal riding have to do with legal riding in open areas like Glamis? If you want to use people riding in illegal areas as a reason to stop riding in legal areas I don't want to hear you complain about those who commit crimes in the name of environmentalism being used as a reason to stop the environmental movement. The comparison is the same.
Oh - and your assumption that we are all aware of this is completely off base. Not all of us take the I-10 to get to the ISDRA. I have never seen this area and have absolutely no clue where it is. Do you happen to know who the owner is? Are there any other "No Trespassing" signs? In some of your photos it looks like there's a dirt road running parallel to the hill near the bottom, could it be this is an actual road and the "No Trespassing" sign is marking the area between that road and the railroad tracks that appear in your photos?
These photos can show quite a few things depending on how you look at them. Funny how you only choose to see the only possibility you want to see.
YEAH!
Looks alot like Beaumont. If it is, that was the place to ride for anyone with a toy within 40 miles. It was open till a little boy got killed in a head on dirtbike accident about two years ago. I heard the cops just started to enforce it.
Now, all those bike riders have to find somwhere else to ride cause their home area has been closed and you know people won't stop riding there because it's "dangerous". People will only stop riding there if forced by the cops. That was a great area to ride and I'm sorry it was closed down. Can't say I blame people for still riding there when it was closed down for such a mediocre reason.
Oh, and by the way, that place was pioneered not by people trying to scar up the land but by the military. There is an old military installment back in there with a concrete bunker that goes into the mountain.
Now, all those bike riders have to find somwhere else to ride cause their home area has been closed and you know people won't stop riding there because it's "dangerous". People will only stop riding there if forced by the cops. That was a great area to ride and I'm sorry it was closed down. Can't say I blame people for still riding there when it was closed down for such a mediocre reason.
Oh, and by the way, that place was pioneered not by people trying to scar up the land but by the military. There is an old military installment back in there with a concrete bunker that goes into the mountain.
I wanted to comment on the "illegal activity" portion of the post but Jason beat me too it.
Why do environmentalists try to compare illegal activity with legal activity? The two are not related.
If it's illegal to ride there and the trails were made by people riding illegally then where were the cops?
Generally, the answer to that question is, "There is not enough enforcement or money to patrol every area."
To that I say, What are they doing passing laws that have no chance of being enforced?
And, if it is PRIVATE PROPERTY, then it is up to the owner of the property to properly enforce his "no tresspassing." It's his own fault for not putting up fences or hiring security.
If a kid comes into my OPEN backyard and drowns in my pool, EVEN IF I HAVE A NO TRESSPASSING SIGN, then who gets sued?
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Why do environmentalists try to compare illegal activity with legal activity? The two are not related.
If it's illegal to ride there and the trails were made by people riding illegally then where were the cops?
Generally, the answer to that question is, "There is not enough enforcement or money to patrol every area."
To that I say, What are they doing passing laws that have no chance of being enforced?
And, if it is PRIVATE PROPERTY, then it is up to the owner of the property to properly enforce his "no tresspassing." It's his own fault for not putting up fences or hiring security.
If a kid comes into my OPEN backyard and drowns in my pool, EVEN IF I HAVE A NO TRESSPASSING SIGN, then who gets sued?
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If this is Beaumont, which it just might be from the way the pictures look. It was recently closed to OHV because it came under new ownership. From what I was told from a cop is that the new owner did not want any court cases from people getting hurt on his property. This was before the young kid was killed out there. If you enter this spot on the 60 freeway there are no signs or at least their wasn’t awhile ago. So for you to post pictures and make comments like that you might want to get your facts straight. If you ever go to a closed course race track you will see on the front gates going in a NO TREASPACING sign, this doesn’t mean you cant be their it means you need permission to be their.
If this is Beaumont, which it just might be from the way the pictures look. It was recently closed to OHV because it came under new ownership. From what I was told from a cop is that the new owner did not want any court cases from people getting hurt on his property. This was before the young kid was killed out there. If you enter this spot on the 60 freeway there are no signs or at least their wasn’t awhile ago. So for you to post pictures and make comments like that you might want to get your facts straight. If you ever go to a closed course race track you will see on the front gates going in a NO TREASPACING sign, this doesn’t mean you cant be their it means you need permission to be their.
i was there a few months ago riding with my son (yes blu my son - we enjoy the family thing that you are trying to take away) anyways i entered from the 10 fwy and when i went across the railroad tracks there was no sign. well about after an hour or two of riding a cop came by and said that this is private land and the owner wants no riding on it. i apologized to the cop and and explained to him that i saw no signs. he informed me that they were gona be put up real soon. well i left quietly. it was an awesome place to ride lots of terrain to play on for all skill levels. well i have not been back to this area since then.
the same thing goes for pyrite and white water areas.
why dont you instead of driving around lookin for ohv's on your days off, spend it whith your family. or is this houw you spend your family time?
the same thing goes for pyrite and white water areas.
why dont you instead of driving around lookin for ohv's on your days off, spend it whith your family. or is this houw you spend your family time?
This is how you waste gas & pollute too?
If you go to F @ G Boys guestbook, he explains everything. When it asks for his name, Its blueSky, when it asks where hes from, he says Heaven.. Just as I suspected, he thinks hes God.. Loser...
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hey this is a glamis site, go complain to a "hillsandtrailstresspassing.com" site
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You guys are right, this does look like Beaumont. I'm sure of it. I concur with the story- years ago this was open and there was never any problems, I have seen people riding out there for the last 15 years (and probably before that when I was too young to remember too). Besides Bluesky, this is private property, why is it your business?
Not to worry Bluesky that place will not be around much longer. As you pulled off the 10 you probably noticed the golf course and tract home development on the north side of the road were you took those photos (San Timeteo, I think). That area is being bought up by developers like it was made of gold. That whole flat on the top of the hill will soon be tract homes and other devlopments. Your worries will soon be over as plants, animals, us no good law breakers and the wash (which is quite a site when it is raining in the mountains) will soon be pushed out by cement, asfault, Starbucks and mini malls. Those four foot wide trails will be replaced by 20 foot wide streets. But hey, while the animals that once thirved in that area will be ran over with tractors and have no were to go, at least there won't be any more dirtbikers passing by a "no trespassing" sign.
Looks like a good place to ride. I'd like to go try it sometime.
quoteQUOTELooks like a good place to ride. I'd like to go try it sometime.
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I guess cops don't have to obey the "No trespassing" laws.
Bluesky… Remember me? I ask you a few questions on another post, and you throw me a challenge. I step up to the plate, and you tuck tail and ran.
By now, you are aware that I do have a scientific background. I know with my years of experience that it takes time to study any theory before stating a conclusion. I read countless posts from many others making reference to you, using assorted names and descriptions throughout this board.
I have come to one conclusion. You are a coward, **** ant that writes stupid, ignorant statement, without the balls to step up to a challenge. I must praise the moderators of this board for not deleting everything you post. I will always take the time to listen when someone will at least attempt to learn something about a topic before making statements. You should thank God that you live in the USA. There are countries that would just eliminate you from exhistance for being so stupid!
By now, you are aware that I do have a scientific background. I know with my years of experience that it takes time to study any theory before stating a conclusion. I read countless posts from many others making reference to you, using assorted names and descriptions throughout this board.
I have come to one conclusion. You are a coward, **** ant that writes stupid, ignorant statement, without the balls to step up to a challenge. I must praise the moderators of this board for not deleting everything you post. I will always take the time to listen when someone will at least attempt to learn something about a topic before making statements. You should thank God that you live in the USA. There are countries that would just eliminate you from exhistance for being so stupid!
Signs? I didnt see any Signs! 
quoteQUOTEBluesky… Remember me? I ask you a few questions on another post, and you throw me a challenge. I step up to the plate, and you tuck tail and ran.
ice diver--please remind me what you're talking about. You asked me a question on another thread and I answered it--now what?
If all you want to say is "I hate you", is doesn't take much scientific background to figure that one out[]
Bluesky, you little psss ant. I don’t hate you………. You are a joke.
I asked you to tell me about your own background. Still waiting for an answer.
I asked you to tell me about your own background. Still waiting for an answer.
ice diver--what part of "I would rather not share about the details of my life." don't you understand?
I asked you a question too and you never answered it. WHEN HAVE YOU EVER HIKED IN THE DUNES?
I wouldn't ride there because it's posted,"NO TRESPASSING", FOOL. I would like to ride there though because it looks like a good riding area. What a crack-up you are.
I wouldn't ride there because it's posted,"NO TRESPASSING", FOOL. I would like to ride there though because it looks like a good riding area. What a crack-up you are.
QUIT NIT PICKING. U ****** JESUS CRIMINEY.. Bluesky be nice or go home.. icediver quit eggin him on..
Bluesky: u really ****ed me off on that comment bout cr500cop... if u notice the PREVIOUS POSTS... it says its not ILLEGAL TO RIDE THERE IF YOU HAVE PERMISSION. cr500cop is not above the law and NIETHER are u. Im sure cr500cop had all the intentions to ask the owner and do it legitmatley. Now think before u speak..
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Bluesky: u really ****ed me off on that comment bout cr500cop... if u notice the PREVIOUS POSTS... it says its not ILLEGAL TO RIDE THERE IF YOU HAVE PERMISSION. cr500cop is not above the law and NIETHER are u. Im sure cr500cop had all the intentions to ask the owner and do it legitmatley. Now think before u speak..
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Bluesky……….. Your nothing but a joke, for both an environmentalist or politician. I think I now know where Bluesky is coming from, especially since he refuses to share his background.
“GENERATIONS OF FAMILY INBREEDING” I would be embarrassed too.
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“GENERATIONS OF FAMILY INBREEDING” I would be embarrassed too.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by isbb_wr426f:
[B]QUIT NIT PICKING U ******* JESUS CRIMINEY.. Bluesky be nice or go home.. icediver quit eggin him on..
I sincerely hope that the plural of ******* (s) was not intended my direction
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[B]QUIT NIT PICKING U ******* JESUS CRIMINEY.. Bluesky be nice or go home.. icediver quit eggin him on..
I sincerely hope that the plural of ******* (s) was not intended my direction
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...if the shoe fits
Blu………. Thanks for opening my eyes to a new thought.
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I think this environmental forum is for DUNERS! This is not a board for some wanna be f'n enviro crusader w/ obviously, obviously no formal education.
Bluesky: NOBODY LIKES YOU HERE. GO AWAY AND STAY AWAY!
My personal opinion is Bluesky should be banned from the board. I say that nobody respond to any of his posts. I have no problem w/ people expressing themselves but Bluesky is just trying to get some attention. I feel sorry for him. He reminds me of that kid who set off those mailbox bombs, just to get some attention.
Bluesky: NOBODY LIKES YOU HERE. GO AWAY AND STAY AWAY!
My personal opinion is Bluesky should be banned from the board. I say that nobody respond to any of his posts. I have no problem w/ people expressing themselves but Bluesky is just trying to get some attention. I feel sorry for him. He reminds me of that kid who set off those mailbox bombs, just to get some attention.
I think Blue is Daniel Patterson himself. Though blue would like us to believe diffrent, few people out there hate us with such passion.
Naw Danny flat out lies his ass off. Blue is just ignorant. Wait! Maybe it is.
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quoteQUOTEfew people out there hate us with such passion.
imagine you were me. Would you hate you??
I know I'm an interloper on your site. I'm continually in awe of the depth of your tolerance of me!!!
how could I hate you?? you let me post here!!
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I know I'm an interloper on your site. I'm continually in awe of the depth of your tolerance for me!!!
Was that sarcasm? Hell blue, I invited you out to ocotillo to show you how your steroetypes differed from reality. And don't tell me you have been out to the desert with some real offroad enthusiasts, that is about as beleiveable as your story (I think it was from the GOL board) of the dirtbikers who invited you into their camp and offered you, a stranger, cocaine. I never offer my coke to strangers, the stuff is too expensive
OK some people don't have much tolorence for you but such is life. You can't please everybody, right. I think your posting and reading our posts (and trying to ingnore the insults) will help you change your bad misconceptions of us. Your posts will never change us into greenies nor will our posts turn you into a motorhead. Hopefully you will come to understand how much you've OVERestimated the impact of OHV's on the world and some people will gain a little more respect for the green movement. I respect it and at times support it (I've been a surfrider foundation member for 5 years), I just think your pointing your fingers in the wrong direction. So you might be as welcome to this board as a hamburger to a heath food store but don't let it scare you away. Just keep in mind that people fear what they don't understand and some people don't understand your opinion (much like you don't understand and there for fear offroaders).
Blu get off your fat lazy !ss and take a hoe and grass seed and replant it.
Big deal Blue, so what's your point? There are some trails going up the hill. Big deal.
as a bike-riding cop YOU should know that it's not OK to make trails without permission. By driving 10 min further these riders could go to the Jawbone Open area and ride where it's permitted.
rogue off-road sites like this are springing up all over So CA. I'm not the only one who notices and is upset by this lack of respect for our environment.
As riders it's up to you to take the lead in controlling this unauthorized trail proliferation. The alternative is more land CLOSED to vehicle traffic.
rogue off-road sites like this are springing up all over So CA. I'm not the only one who notices and is upset by this lack of respect for our environment.
As riders it's up to you to take the lead in controlling this unauthorized trail proliferation. The alternative is more land CLOSED to vehicle traffic.
I thought that area was the soon to be home of the Sierra Clubs new offices and money counting stronghold? ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
How you know its not the OWNERS of the land doing that? I know if I had a big enough peice of land I'd ride on it.
If YOUR TYPE would stop taking away our riding areas there would be alot less illegal riding.
If YOUR TYPE would stop taking away our riding areas there would be alot less illegal riding.
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Originally posted by Bluesky:
as a bike-riding cop YOU should know that it's not OK to make trails without permission. By driving 10 min further these riders could go to the Jawbone Open area and ride where it's permitted.
rogue off-road sites like this are springing up all over So CA. I'm not the only one who notices and is upset by this lack of respect for our environment.
As riders it's up to you to take the lead in controlling this unauthorized trail proliferation. The alternative is more land CLOSED to vehicle traffic.
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quote:shall we assume it's the owners? If it was your land would you make a bunch of different trails to the top of the hill or just use the same one over and over?
How you know its not the OWNERS of the land doing that? I know if I had a big enough peice of land I'd ride on it.
Most owners of vacant land have bought it for investment. By making ugly trails like we see in the photos, the property becomes damaged and can't command as high a price from a potential buyer. would you do that to your investment?
quote:This area is 10 minutes away from Jawbone open area--there's plenty of open riding just 10 minutes away from this site!!! Free! oh yeah, you need green sticker and a spark arrestor. Maybe that's where you can ride a red sticker vehicle during summer?
If YOUR TYPE would stop taking away our riding areas there would be alot less illegal riding.
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Most owners of vacant land have bought it for investment. By making ugly trails like we see in the photos, the property becomes damaged and can't command as high a price from a potential buyer.
Do you honestly think a land developer will pay less for a piece of land if it has trails on it. HELL NO! They don't care because they clear the land anyway so they can build on it. DUH.
Do you honestly think a land developer will pay less for a piece of land if it has trails on it. HELL NO! They don't care because they clear the land anyway so they can build on it. DUH.
DUH in much of the West Mojave area, lot size is limited to 10 acres. One house for every ten acres. So maybe the new homebuilder wants multiple driveways and soil erosion and dust near his new home. Maybe not. would you?
Hey Hole in the Ozone Guy, How many things do you do that mess up are enviornment? Do you drive a car? Have you ever used a can of spray paint? How about hair spray? Be honest with yourself, lying to us dosen't hurt anybody but yourself. And being the good natured person that you are, do you like animals?
Crash, Didn't you know that Bluesky lives in a mud hut and doesn't use any of the modern conveniences that other people do.
Yeah, and maybe that new home builder is a dirt bike rider and he wants some trails on his property to ride on.
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Yeah, and maybe that new home builder is a dirt bike rider and he wants some trails on his property to ride on.
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Maybe BS is an internet troll with no real life other than trying to annoy people.
I may be wrong but aren't alot of "trails" made by people other than OHV users? Just because there is a OHV tire track does not mean that OHV created the trails. Some are fire roads, there is at least 1 fire in that very area every year, many trails are made by utility companys, some are for the railroads. And Motoholic is right, that area will soon be nothing but concrete, there has been plans for years to develop that area into thousands of homesites. This is also one of the reasons the area known as Glamis or more properly "Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area" was specifically set aside and designated as an OHV area, so there would be land that could be used for the purpose of OHV use. But you Blusky, and others, would like to see Glamis closed to the very purpose it was designed for. And I would still like to know WHY. The argument that OHV use is destroying Glamis has no basis and that very argument does not conform to any logic. Saying that OHV use is destroying an area specifically designated and set aside as an OHV use area cannot be defended. It would be no different that saying an ice skating rink that was designed and set aside for ice skating should be closed to ice skating because of the damage ice skating is doing to the ice.
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Bluesky, Just to show you that there is no conspiracy by the people of the off-road community to destroy the environment. I have been riding atv's since I could walk, count em about 18 years now. I have seen the areas that you are referring to but I have never ridden there.
Blu, listen to me very carefully, Off-road enthusiasts are not out to kill mother earth. Actually the opposite is true. I go ride because I love going out to enjoy Our country. My family took me, when I got old enough I went by myself and god willing I will take my kids one day. That's if hypocrites like yourself will still allow it to be open. Do you realize how many things you use every day that the environment has paid a price for. Do you know how many millions of miles of coax have been buried all throughout our country side just so that you can make a phone call, or watch TV or run electricity or even take a dump. A person might reason that all those bull dozers, trenchers and backhoes used to dig up and back fill this whole country have caused just a little bit more damage than any number off 300lbs atv's could ever do. Do you know how many tree's were killed so that you could have a roof over your head. Or so that you could have a place to put your computer. Do you know how many small animals were forced out of thier habitat, and had thier ecosystem shattered by the bulldozer that was used compact and flatten the land that the foundation of your house is on.
Do you know how much fuel was burned to launch and maintain the satelites and teloscopes that orbit our earth and protect our countries national security and freedom. A freedom which you use to try and take the rights of your fellow americans away. News flash blu riding my quad thru the desert is my right and I'll be dammed if I'm gonna let some hypocrite tree hugging hippie take that away from me and my unborn children. I love this planet, I love this country and this is how I choose to enjoy it.
Blu get a life, get out and enjoy our country man. Take your kids camping, take em hiking with you. Hell take somebody up on their offer to take you out to the desert so that you can see how just how wrong you are about us. But for god sakes man quit driving all over hell on the weekends and taking pictures of DIRT! and then rushing back home to post them on your homepage. It's really not healthy.
Blu, listen to me very carefully, Off-road enthusiasts are not out to kill mother earth. Actually the opposite is true. I go ride because I love going out to enjoy Our country. My family took me, when I got old enough I went by myself and god willing I will take my kids one day. That's if hypocrites like yourself will still allow it to be open. Do you realize how many things you use every day that the environment has paid a price for. Do you know how many millions of miles of coax have been buried all throughout our country side just so that you can make a phone call, or watch TV or run electricity or even take a dump. A person might reason that all those bull dozers, trenchers and backhoes used to dig up and back fill this whole country have caused just a little bit more damage than any number off 300lbs atv's could ever do. Do you know how many tree's were killed so that you could have a roof over your head. Or so that you could have a place to put your computer. Do you know how many small animals were forced out of thier habitat, and had thier ecosystem shattered by the bulldozer that was used compact and flatten the land that the foundation of your house is on.
Do you know how much fuel was burned to launch and maintain the satelites and teloscopes that orbit our earth and protect our countries national security and freedom. A freedom which you use to try and take the rights of your fellow americans away. News flash blu riding my quad thru the desert is my right and I'll be dammed if I'm gonna let some hypocrite tree hugging hippie take that away from me and my unborn children. I love this planet, I love this country and this is how I choose to enjoy it.
Blu get a life, get out and enjoy our country man. Take your kids camping, take em hiking with you. Hell take somebody up on their offer to take you out to the desert so that you can see how just how wrong you are about us. But for god sakes man quit driving all over hell on the weekends and taking pictures of DIRT! and then rushing back home to post them on your homepage. It's really not healthy.
Perhaps it's best to let the founder of Greenpeece speak about human aesthetics vs. environmental health. After all he not only studied biology and ecology in college he spent his entire life fighting for this planet:
(And yes BS you are an activist for personal profit as evidenced by your complaints about people straying onto your unmarked private property as the root of your hatred for OHV's.)
Go read the full article it's quite informative about why so much of the environmental battle currently being fought is doing more dammage than good:
http://www.greenspirit.com/trees_answer/
quote:The full article makes a lot more points about how human aesthetics and environmental health have absolutely nothing to do with each other but are frequently confused by those wishing to push their own agenda for personal profit (Such as the Siera Club, CBD, and our good friend BS.)
In the space of a few short years, a clearcut that is very ugly to look at can be transformed into a beautiful sea of blossoms growing from seeds that blow in on the wind after fire. Was the clearcut bad when it looked ugly? Is it good now that it looks beautiful? The fact is, it is a serious mistake to judge the environmental health of the land simply by looking at it from an aesthetic perspective.
(And yes BS you are an activist for personal profit as evidenced by your complaints about people straying onto your unmarked private property as the root of your hatred for OHV's.)
Go read the full article it's quite informative about why so much of the environmental battle currently being fought is doing more dammage than good:
http://www.greenspirit.com/trees_answer/
HA.. that 8"x8" sign is supposed to mean anything? What are the odds that I am going to see that? Shoot, I would park my truck 1/4 mile away and ride all day long there never knowing it exists.
Simple fact is, if the owners want people out, put up a fence. Locks were invented to keep honest people honest.
I come from a family of developers and land investors and I know for a fact these trails would have no impact on the lands value for future developmet.
its obvious bluesky you need to do more research on a piece of land before you try and point fingers at anyone. If I come across this place, I will pull over and ride. Chances are I won't see the sign. If I see the sign then I wont ride. People who own land and want to prevent it from being used put up fences that identify its boundries. Do you know what a squater is? Did you know that I could go out there and plant a crop and the law would protect me from the owners trying to throw me out! They would have to wait until after the crop is harvested and before a new one is planted. This is prevented by fencing the property, posting the signs, and patrolling the property. Sorry slick, but you have nothing with this claim.
[ 08-14-2002, 07:08 PM: Message edited by: Chummin ]
Simple fact is, if the owners want people out, put up a fence. Locks were invented to keep honest people honest.
I come from a family of developers and land investors and I know for a fact these trails would have no impact on the lands value for future developmet.
its obvious bluesky you need to do more research on a piece of land before you try and point fingers at anyone. If I come across this place, I will pull over and ride. Chances are I won't see the sign. If I see the sign then I wont ride. People who own land and want to prevent it from being used put up fences that identify its boundries. Do you know what a squater is? Did you know that I could go out there and plant a crop and the law would protect me from the owners trying to throw me out! They would have to wait until after the crop is harvested and before a new one is planted. This is prevented by fencing the property, posting the signs, and patrolling the property. Sorry slick, but you have nothing with this claim.
[ 08-14-2002, 07:08 PM: Message edited by: Chummin ]
Hey, I have an inovative idea that should please all the rabid environmentalists!!!
Let's OUTLAW illegal riding
Let's pass a law that says it's against the law to ride illegally!!!
Because everyone knows that a new law would solve everything!!!
Vor
Let's OUTLAW illegal riding
Let's pass a law that says it's against the law to ride illegally!!!
Because everyone knows that a new law would solve everything!!!
Vor
COOL. great idea VOR.
Then we can have a law that says speeding is illegal!![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
You know, its not wether or not the glass is 1/2 full or 1/2 empty..
The glass is twice as big as it needs to be!
Then we can have a law that says speeding is illegal!
You know, its not wether or not the glass is 1/2 full or 1/2 empty..
The glass is twice as big as it needs to be!
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