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oh look ? He's trying to be comical?
Isnt that sweet
Isnt that sweet
Wooooo! Bid had, I didn't know you were famous! And isn't it sweet to know that Blu cares so much about you that he-she-it would run a search on you! Gosh, I feel all warm and tingly! ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Once again someone is editing my posts. I did not put the "thumbs down" icon on the post.
I posted this because Big Had suggested I should have known that Big Had was "big Howdy"
The more I think about it it's not that much of a stretch big Haaaady! but I didn't get it so I searched to see if it was a common term. As you can see it's not.
Big Had started off being respectful and thoughtful. I guess it was just a phony front.
I posted this because Big Had suggested I should have known that Big Had was "big Howdy"
The more I think about it it's not that much of a stretch big Haaaady! but I didn't get it so I searched to see if it was a common term. As you can see it's not.
Big Had started off being respectful and thoughtful. I guess it was just a phony front.
Respect, even when granted by default, needs to be earned to be kept. You have never done anything on this board, or any others on which you spew your propaganda, to earn the respect of anyone in the OHV community.
RESPECT- the ability to understand someone elses point of view, not necessarily to agree to it. You did not like my posts, eh? So, I respected you by removing them. I do not like your responses that you give others, for the above mentioned reasons. I dont care that you are an enviro. I like to sling mud sometimes, for fun. Get over it.
What I would challenge you to do is be yourself. Quit quoting everyone else, and responding to those quotes. Be yourself. You dont have to like others statements. Just do us all a favor, and quit already with that urge of feeling as though you must quote them and respond to them. Tell me what your thoughts are, not swayed views from some guy with a Doctrine Degree.
You choose to visit this board because you love the negative attention. You thrive on it.
This is obvious.
The fact remains-you share nothing of yourself, your individual character. You hide behind everyone elses statements. Do you have low self esteem? Momma didnt pick you as the favorite in the litter? Didnt get the job you "deserved"??? Life been unfair to you???
Get over it....
Reputation is what others think of you.
Character is who you really are.
Have some character.
So go on Bluesky, pick up that dirtbike, feel the power of that smooth revving engine....you know you want to...we will welcome you to our "family"......
What I would challenge you to do is be yourself. Quit quoting everyone else, and responding to those quotes. Be yourself. You dont have to like others statements. Just do us all a favor, and quit already with that urge of feeling as though you must quote them and respond to them. Tell me what your thoughts are, not swayed views from some guy with a Doctrine Degree.
You choose to visit this board because you love the negative attention. You thrive on it.
This is obvious.
The fact remains-you share nothing of yourself, your individual character. You hide behind everyone elses statements. Do you have low self esteem? Momma didnt pick you as the favorite in the litter? Didnt get the job you "deserved"??? Life been unfair to you???
Get over it....
Reputation is what others think of you.
Character is who you really are.
Have some character.
So go on Bluesky, pick up that dirtbike, feel the power of that smooth revving engine....you know you want to...we will welcome you to our "family"......
quote:not true. I'm probably developing a tumor from all the negative cagada that I read here.
You choose to visit this board because you love the negative attention. You thrive on it.
I truly am astounded that our land managers and other law enforcement agencies permit the uncontrolled trail proliferation on sensitive lands and private land done by OHVers.
I am curious about what could make the drivers of these vehicles think that it was OK to do this.
After all this time it comes down to nothing. I am leaning more and more toward encouraging other duners not to respond to Bluesky.
quote:They "permit" it because it's legal! Just because you say it's "sensitive" doesn't mean that I don't have a right to use said lands! The Constitution grants me rights that FAR outweigh any stupid ass restriction the ESA may put on me! In my opinion the ESA should be completely re-thought! Put the land owners and citizen's right's FIRST!!! No if's and's or but's! PEOPLE FIRST!!!
I truly am astounded that our land managers and other law enforcement agencies permit the uncontrolled trail proliferation on sensitive lands and private land done by OHVers.
I am curious about what could make the drivers of these vehicles think that it was OK to do this.
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quote:can you show me where the Constitution gives you the right to ride on private property without permission? where it states a tiny minority can impact the public lands destroying their beauty and natural diversity for 99% of non-off-roading Americans? where it gives you the right to disobey laws passed by your federal representatives?
The Constitution grants me rights that FAR outweigh any stupid ass restriction the ESA may put on me!
Blu, My problem with your statement's about evil off-roaders impacting more than their fair share of our natural lands is that how do you determine "a fair share"? I think you use general population numbers to do so. I think this is an unfair calculation. Do you know how many non off roaders have never been to glamis, or even heard of it for that matter. The term Fair share should pertain only to citizens that use said land. Hikers, bird watchers, scientists, any one who uses the dunes, including duners. If the impact (if any) is large and the group of dune-users that is creating the impact is small then they could be seen as taking more than their fair share. However, if there is a so called large impact (which by the way you and the CBD have failed to prove so) and it is being made by the a large group of dune-users, than the impact is proportional to the amount of users. making it a fair share. I don't think it's accurate to include general poplulation numbers, in which the mojority of them live 1-2 thousand miles away from the land area in question.
My mind is open, please explain to me how you determine a "fair share"?
My mind is open, please explain to me how you determine a "fair share"?
TJ
you're right I'm comparing total US population (275,000,000) with possible number of dune users (500,000).
you wind up with .18%
which means that 99.82% of the people use the dunes as habitat conservation.
Off-roaders are impacting the dunes way out of proportion to their population numbers. this is not their fair share
you're right I'm comparing total US population (275,000,000) with possible number of dune users (500,000).
you wind up with .18%
which means that 99.82% of the people use the dunes as habitat conservation.
Off-roaders are impacting the dunes way out of proportion to their population numbers. this is not their fair share
quote:I can NOT believe this guy, girl, it.
Originally posted by Bluesky:
TJ
you're right I'm comparing total US population (275,000,000) with possible number of dune users (500,000).
you wind up with .18%
which means that 99.82% of the people use the dunes as habitat conservation.
Off-roaders are impacting the dunes way out of proportion to their population numbers. this is not their fair share
quote:No it means that 99.82% of the people don't use the dunes for a damn thing, except to film the occasional movie. That's my point Blu if you talk to anyone else who's not a greenie, they don't even know about the ISDRA. There for thier not using it for anything. You are assuming by thier non use of it that they are in favor of using it as a habitat conservation. WRONG!
which means that 99.82% of the people use the dunes as habitat conservation.
You can't just automatically absorb the support of 274 million people without actually getting thier consent. You can't assume these type's of things. Not when your threatening our way of life. That's what glamis is to us, it's a way of life, a state of mind, it's the most amazing place on the planet and we're not gonna let some eco-nazi's take it from us. So you better come in here with alot more than one big ass assumption.
Another insane blu comment; he better be careful or they're going to come after him with a straight jacket.
From the BLM's site, there are 500,000 annual visitors to the ISDRA. I couldn't find any statistics on people who use it for anything other than OHV recreation. I've seen a hiker once (heading into the closed area north of the 78).
Lets say, to be laughably generous, that there are 1,000 visitors per year for non-OHV activities.
That means that OHV activity accounts for 99.8 percent of the use of the Imperial Sand Dunes. It would be easy enough to say that the BLM should be opening up 99.8% of the dunes to OHV use. Same for all the other closed dunes, like Rice, Kelso, etc. But most of us would be perfectly happy to leave the 32,000 acres north of the 78 to the imaginary hikers.
From the BLM's site, there are 500,000 annual visitors to the ISDRA. I couldn't find any statistics on people who use it for anything other than OHV recreation. I've seen a hiker once (heading into the closed area north of the 78).
Lets say, to be laughably generous, that there are 1,000 visitors per year for non-OHV activities.
That means that OHV activity accounts for 99.8 percent of the use of the Imperial Sand Dunes. It would be easy enough to say that the BLM should be opening up 99.8% of the dunes to OHV use. Same for all the other closed dunes, like Rice, Kelso, etc. But most of us would be perfectly happy to leave the 32,000 acres north of the 78 to the imaginary hikers.
quote:Gee I've been to Glamis 100's of times, never once have I seen more than 1 or 2 people using the dunes for non OHV activity. You would think that if 274,500,000 enviro's were there I would have seen a few of them! Come on now Bluser, you can't really believe that everyone in the country who is not an active OHV enthusiast is a tree-hugger do you! If that were the case we would have been out-lawed long ago! No, that statement sounds like a delusion of grandeur! You friggen wish!
which means that 99.82% of the people use the dunes as habitat conservation.
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quote:So in your warped mind the OHV community should only be able to use .18% of the dunes??? Your smoking crack!
Off-roaders are impacting the dunes way out of proportion to their population numbers. this is not their fair sha
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I totally agree with Poiks. If we the OHV community make up 99.8% of the people who use the dunes then we should have the largest portion of those dunes opened to us! So far the eco-dweebs have an almost equal if not greater share of the dunes with only a miniscule number of users! How is this fair! In my opinion if you don't use it, you lose it! ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
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On my home Monday from G. I saw a hiker/person along side of the rode picking up trash. But I never saw a parked car. Kind of weird and he was walking in the closure area.
was not technically in the DUNES. Blue if you want to make a difference, you should model after this guy.. he was making a difference and that highway is uses by tons of people not just OHVrs so try not to blame them for the trash.
just thought I would toss that one out there.
was not technically in the DUNES. Blue if you want to make a difference, you should model after this guy.. he was making a difference and that highway is uses by tons of people not just OHVrs so try not to blame them for the trash.
just thought I would toss that one out there.
quote:When you take into consideration all of the closed dune areas, we have a very small portion for OHV activity:
So far the eco-dweebs have an almost equal if not greater share of the dunes with only a miniscule number of users! How is this fair! In my opinion if you don't use it, you lose it!
Quote from Vince Brunasso of the ASA (these dune areas are 100% closed except as noted):
quote:
Rice Valley Dunes (soon to be closed under the NECO Plan)
Cadiz Dunes
Panamint Dunes
Eureka Dunes
Kelso Dunes
Saline Dunes
Ibex Dunes
1000 Palms Dunes
Borrego Dunes
Pinto Dunes
Whitewater Dunes
Chuckwalla Dune Thicket
90% of Oceano Dunes
quote:While the RVD's are technically open, the BLM has blocked almost all access to them!
Rice Valley Dunes (soon to be closed under the NECO Plan)
So much for waiting for implementation of NECO! LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Blue, your thinking is so gay....
Being the Patriotic Americansthat we are, we are doing our Patriotic Duties. I ride in Glamis to patrol for potential ILLEGAL Aliens and Terrorists that are trying to sneak across our borders.
Although I really find it to be distracting to my otherwise relaxing weekends, somebody has got to do it...
so people like you can SIT ON YOUR ARSS and enjoy the freedoms that this Country offers its citizens. Please stop refering to me as an Ecological murderer....it is offensive to my efforts![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Boy, do I sound like Blue or what
Being the Patriotic Americansthat we are, we are doing our Patriotic Duties. I ride in Glamis to patrol for potential ILLEGAL Aliens and Terrorists that are trying to sneak across our borders.
Although I really find it to be distracting to my otherwise relaxing weekends, somebody has got to do it...
so people like you can SIT ON YOUR ARSS and enjoy the freedoms that this Country offers its citizens. Please stop refering to me as an Ecological murderer....it is offensive to my efforts
Boy, do I sound like Blue or what
quote:and yet that's what the duning community does!!
You can't just automatically absorb the support of 274 million people without actually getting thier consent.
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Folks, do yourselves a favor and don't even ask dumbass to explain that.
quote:99% of the people are legitimately using the dunes for habitat conservation as determined by law and administered by the duly-appointed BLM officials.
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which means that 99.82% of the people use the dunes as habitat conservation.
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No it means that 99.82% of the people don't use the dunes for a damn thing, except to film the occasional movie. That's my point Blu if you talk to anyone else who's not a greenie, they don't even know about the ISDRA. There for thier not using it for anything.
Some folks may get to the dunes once in their lives, or maybe it's their grandkids who will get to go there. It's not the right of the .18% of the people who use the area for motorized recreation to contribute to the extinction of the public's sensitive species.
quote:that's what you're doing by assuming you have the permission of 274 million people to impact the environment with OHVs.
You can't just automatically absorb the support of 274 million people without actually getting thier consent.
quote:I think this is closer to the truth. However, if it's a state of mind, you can close your eyes wherever you are and leave the sensitive areas alone
You can't assume these type's of things. Not when your threatening our way of life. That's what glamis is to us, it's a way of life, a state of mind, it's the most amazing place on the planet and we're not gonna let some eco-nazi's take it from us.
If it's a way of life--you would be living there and you would be on the eco side. No it's a fad recreation that is making a small number of people rich.
"the most amazing place.." then you should welcome attempts to preserve the unique ecosystems that still exist there.
[ 10-17-2002, 07:01 AM: Message edited by: Bluesky ]
quote:Fad? Tell that to the people who were duning at Pismo or Glamis in the 60's. Does it ever bother you that you're stupid?
No it's a fad recreation that is making a small number of people rich.
NO, 99% of the population aren't using it for a habitat preservation. Blu go ask 274 million people what they are using the dunes for and I garuntee you not one of them is going to say as a habitat preservation. The dunes have been determined by law to be a recreation area. Not a habitat preserve. Thus the name
Imperial
Sand
Dunes
Recreation
Area
Guess what when thier grandkids get there the dunes will still be there.
You still have no proof that OHV's negatively impact the dune eco system. As a matter of FACT I believe there was a survey done just recently that showed just how well the pmv is doing and how large the seedbank is.
I think some one needs to E-mail that study too Bluser so he can read it.
Where is your proof?
It's Preserved.
How is the sand over there?
Oh that's right no one knows cause it's closed and people can't go there.
And last I checked Fads don't last 50 years and several generations of people.
Imperial
Sand
Dunes
Recreation
Area
Guess what when thier grandkids get there the dunes will still be there.
You still have no proof that OHV's negatively impact the dune eco system. As a matter of FACT I believe there was a survey done just recently that showed just how well the pmv is doing and how large the seedbank is.
I think some one needs to E-mail that study too Bluser so he can read it.
Where is your proof?
quote:No, we are riding in a designated OHV area and there is no proof that we are impacting the environment any more than you and your 21 year old smog miracle are.
that's what you're doing by assuming you have the permission of 274 million people to impact the environment with OHVs.
quote:Blu Listen to your self. First of all it's not a sensitive area. Secondly by state of mind I mean the feeling or state of mind that you take on once your in the dunes. A feeling so relaxing, yet so exciting that it can't be explained to someone who has never experienced it. Lastly if we close these so called "sesitive area's" off so that no one can go there Who are we preserving them for?
I think this is closer to the truth. However, if it's a state of mind, you can close your eyes wherever you are and leave the sensitive areas alone
quote:The unique Ecosystem that exists there is a product of human activity, because we are part of the ecosystem. Humans have been a part of that ecosystem for the last 50 years. It deosn't need to be preserved. The dune Ecosystem is functioning just fine. You don't want to preserve it you just want too close it. These are two very different things. What is wrong with the 32,000 acres that are closed North of the 78.
"the most amazing place.." then you should welcome attempts to preserve the unique ecosystems that still exist there.
It's Preserved.
How is the sand over there?
Oh that's right no one knows cause it's closed and people can't go there.
And last I checked Fads don't last 50 years and several generations of people.
BLU, YOU HAVE TO BE THE BIGGEST GARBAGE SPEWING PUKE I HAVE EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF READING. YOU BASE ALL OF YOUR NEGATIVE STATEMENTS ON INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN FALSE. YOU SUPPORT GROUPS THAT HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN LIES TIME AND TIME AGAIN. I AM SICK OF SEEING YOU BASH US IN PRINT AND WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE YOU REMOVED FROM THIS BOARD. SPIDER CAN AT LEAST GET SOME OF US TO SEE HIS POINTS AND I BELIEVE HE CAN SEE OURS TOO. I'D EVEN BET THAT SPIDER HAS ENJOYED SOME SORT OF MOTORIZED RECREATION AT THE ISDRA. IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE PMV IS ENDANGERED AND THAT WE GO OUT THERE AND RUN THINGS OVER INDISCRIMINATELY, YOU ARE AS MUCH OF A MORON AS YOUR POSTS SHOW. GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD, HALF OF THE DUNES WERE CLOSED FOR CONSERVATION OF THE LOCAL FLORA AND FAUNA YEARS AGO. IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND LOOK, INSTEAD OF SITTING AT HOME BEING FULL OF HATE FOR A GROUP YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW, YOU'D SEE THAT NOTHING IN THE ISDRA IS EVEN CLOSE TO EXTINCTION. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS DON'T KNOW? I AM AN ENVIRONMENTALIST TOO BLUSKY. I HAVE ACTUALLY THREATENED PEOPLE WITH BODILY HARM TO GET THEM TO PACK THEIR TRASH OUT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT RUINS MY, THATS RIGHT MY, DUNES. GET A NEW CAUSE AND LEAVE US ALONE. HOW ABOUT STOPPING DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH ORANGE COUNTY? I SEE THAT THE OPENING OF LAGUNA CANYON IS NOW BEING DEVELOPED FOR EITHER COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL USE. GO DO SOMETHING GOOD AND HONORABLE WITH YOUR TIME INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BE A NAZI AND IMPOSE YOUR WILL ON A GROUP THAT DOESN'T DESERVE ANY HATE. WE TAKE OUR CHILDREN OUT THERE AND TEACH THEM HOW TO KEEP MOTHER EARTH AS PRISTINE OR BETTER THAN WE FOUND HER. IF THATS NOT GOING TO FOSTER A LOVE FOR THE EARTH AND ALL ITS DENIZENS THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL.
I second the motion for banning! I've had enough.
I'm getting real sick of he/she/ it too!
Yep Blu,
Once again, you are wrong.
[ 10-17-2002, 04:43 PM: Message edited by: BamBam ]
Once again, you are wrong.
[ 10-17-2002, 04:43 PM: Message edited by: BamBam ]
As much as I enjoy the banter with Bluser, I am also leaning in that direction! Even after I went to bat for the Bluser, there was no change in it's post's, just the same old BS! The near future will tell the tale! ![[Uhoh]](graemlins/uhoh.gif)
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all those in favor, say I....."I", is my reply...besides Blue, nobody wants to risk popping a paddle by running over some weed....they cost too much to risk that....
quote:In the 60s the numbers were manageable. Now with so many more duners they're making a significant impact on our common patrimony--our public lands.
Fad? Tell that to the people who were duning at Pismo or Glamis in the 60's
Too many people impacting too heavily in sensitive areas
Could you see this might be a problem?
[ 10-18-2002, 08:30 PM: Message edited by: Bluesky ]
Yup, better close down some more land because there is already too many people in the area... Pack them even tighter together and wonder why accidents go up and the land is more impacted. Makes perfect sense to me... ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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quote:That just gives the eco's more to complain about! It's part of the "Master Plan" to gain CONTROL of our lands! And CONTROL is what it's really all about! The environment is just an ends to a means!
Pack them even tighter together and wonder why accidents go up and the land is more impacted.
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I know the reasoning behind it dez. That was my attempt at sarcasm. I've been reading BluTrolls, umm, message since he first came on here. Atleast he was just full of crap then. Now he's just plain
[ 10-21-2002, 02:37 PM: Message edited by: Shane-0 ]
I've been reading BluTrolls, umm, message since he first came on here. Atleast he was just full of crap then. Now he's just plain [ 10-21-2002, 02:37 PM: Message edited by: Shane-0 ]
Otay! I get it Kinda like the band! hehehehehehehehe! funny sheit!
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Kinda like the band! hehehehehehehehe! funny sheit!LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Bluesky,
We're in production of a video "Why We Fight".
Would you be so kind as to let us interview you showing you using drugs in your rented home you paid for with money donated for your "cause"?
It's a good gig isn't it?
Thank you- Ross
We're in production of a video "Why We Fight".
Would you be so kind as to let us interview you showing you using drugs in your rented home you paid for with money donated for your "cause"?
It's a good gig isn't it?
Thank you- Ross
quote:Duneraider, Let us know when we can check out the video!
We're in production of a video "Why We Fight".
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