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Bluesky

Nov 1 2002, 06:59 AM

OFF ROAD VEHICLE PROHIBITIONS IN NEW JERSEY’S STATE PARKS

New Jersey’s Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) has upheld its ban
on off-road vehicles and all-terrain vehicles inside all state parks. In
addition to its continued restrictions, violators will also be subject to
increased fines and penalties. These mandates are consistent with the
existing State Lands and Management Program, which was created to maintain a
healthy, biologically diverse ecosystem that is able to support plant and
animal species, as well as water, soil, and air quality. According to Jeff
Tattle, director of the NJ Chapter of the Sierra Club, the DEP’s
prohibitions make sense: "[Allowing] ATVs in our state parks is clearly at
odds with that mandate.” (Sierra Club Newsletter, 9/02).

The new policy comes after a single day event in Allaumuch State Park,
during which approximately 10 miles of trails were so severely degraded that
restoration took two years. Via the recent mandate, the DEP joins
conservation groups in recognizing that off-road vehicles and all-terrain
vehicles not only create noise and air pollution, but also destroy
vegetation and cause serious erosion. [Angry Fire]

[ 11-11-2002, 09:34 PM: Message edited by: Bluesky ]

Poiks

Nov 1 2002, 07:43 AM

Blu, there goes your wish that I "go back to New Jersey!" [Spin]

Permagrin

Nov 1 2002, 08:21 AM

[ 11-01-2002, 08:22 AM: Message edited by: WFO WR500 ]

dezfan1

Nov 1 2002, 03:56 PM

Can you "PROVE" that it was OHV'S that did the damage? [Angry Fire]

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Omnivore

Nov 1 2002, 07:15 PM

Probably just some mob goodfellas looking for a little open land to do some digging. I doubt they would pay attention to any signs.

I'll call the Gambino's and let them know the NJ Sierra Club is getting testy about the bodies. Anyone have the Club's street address?

I love their head guy's name, Tattle. He must have caught a load of crap in school. Probably explains why he works for the Sierra Club. Getting even with the world.

Race255

Nov 4 2002, 05:24 PM

quote:
The new policy comes after a single day event in Allaumuch State Park,
during which approximately 10 miles of trails were so severely degraded that
restoration took two years. Via the recent mandate, the DEP joins
conservation groups in recognizing that off-road vehicles and all-terrain
vehicles not only create noise and air pollution, but also destroy
vegetation and cause serious erosion.

But it's ok to mow ten miles of vegetation to build a highway so the ON highway vehicles can go there causing noise, air pollution, and throw litter on the sides of the road. You seem perfectly agreeable to that as you don't biotch and moan about things that make your life easier.
If you want to hug something, go hug the toaster and jump in the pool.

[ 11-04-2002, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: Race255 ]

Bluesky

Nov 4 2002, 08:29 PM

quote:
But it's ok to mow ten miles of vegetation to build a highway so the ON highway vehicles can go there causing noise, air pollution, and throw litter on the sides of the road.

there's a difference.

highways go through a planning process. agencies and individuals can comment on the planned routes and have input into the process.

Not so with rogue off-road play areas. these pits are created without permission without possibility of review or even consideration of their impacts on public and private lands.

Also, Highways are part of our economic system. They contribute to our commerce and the freedom of movement we Americans enjoy, and they are patrolled by law enforcement and maintained periodically.

off-road areas are created solely for the entertainment of a small minority of Americans who insist it's their right to leave trails wherever they travel. No one makes any commerce or contributes to our economy from these illegally created areas.

[ 11-04-2002, 08:30 PM: Message edited by: Bluesky ]

Moto13

Nov 4 2002, 09:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by WFO WR500:

Doorlord

Nov 4 2002, 09:35 PM

Blu, is it ok with you if we don't leave any trails?

Bluesky

Nov 5 2002, 05:56 AM

quote:
Blu, is it ok with you if we don't leave any trails?

my personal feelings are OHV use is OK in OPEN areas.

I know ISDRA is classified as an OPEN area, but the scientific community has noted significant impacts there and wants to set aside the areas now temporarily closed as critical habitat for threatened species. The remaining areas will continue to be managed for intensive multi-use.

The gripes I have are with rogue areas outside of OPEN areas. When I post pics of them here not ONE of you riders will agree that these areas are illegal and should be closed and restored.

Permagrin

Nov 5 2002, 07:45 AM

dezfan1

Nov 5 2002, 02:47 PM

quote:
the scientific community has noted significant impacts there and wants to set aside the areas now temporarily closed as critical habitat for threatened species

WHAT? The study funded by the ASA showed that the PMV is thriving! Why should we give MORE land up to closure when its doing so well? I believe that I posted this remark before, "Once PUBLIC land is closed it tends to stay closed!" [Mad]

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Race255

Nov 5 2002, 05:51 PM

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off-road areas are created solely for the entertainment of a small minority of Americans who insist it's their right to leave trails wherever they travel. No one makes any commerce or contributes to our economy from these illegally created areas.

If an off road area is opened by the governmant, do you think the same process is followed as with anything else. There are still hearings and the public is given a chance to speak. Believe me, I work for the government,if it's public land there's plenty of consideration given to it's use. Now I don't go to to many of these hearings, but NOT ONCE has the government decided " The environmentalists are right, opening this land would cause a variety of problems. F*#K them, let's open it anyway." Therefore not an illegal place to ride.
As for trails left behind. I can go anyplace in North County and see the trails left behind by the illegal immigrants who wander back and forth on them. I don't see any pictures or hear any whining here about THOSE trails. It's just as illegal. Private land, law breaking trail blazers, cops won't do anything about it, where's the difference? I'd much rather have a dirtbike blow down the easement behind my house than worry about someone straying off the Ho Chi Minh trail and pilfering through my house while I'm at work.
Lastly, as far as no contributions to the economy, look at how many people have ohv's. They all (in theroy) have an up to date green sticker. And THAT my friend is a contribution. Also my average trip to the dunes costs me about $200. Groceries, gas, it all adds up to an economic contribution.

[ 11-05-2002, 05:55 PM: Message edited by: Race255 ]

dezfan1

Nov 6 2002, 06:30 PM

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Lastly, as far as no contributions to the economy, look at how many people have ohv's. They all (in theroy) have an up to date green sticker. And THAT my friend is a contribution. Also my average trip to the dunes costs me about $200. Groceries, gas, it all adds up to an economic contribution.

Blu, what do you or "GREEN INC." contribute to the economy?

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