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From the Orange County Register:

Friday, November 1, 2002

A VERY FISHY PRACTICE

Nov. 1, 2002 Orange County Register California Focus

by M. David Stirling

Stirling is vice president of Pacific Legal Foundation and a lawyer involved in NMFS litigation.

Are grizzlies born in zoos real grizzlies? Not if you follow the logic of federal bureaucrats who insist that fish in the wild that were spawned in hatcheries shouldn't be tabulated in official counts of fish species. The practice has become a major issue in California and the Pacific Northwest. The federal Endangered Species Act (ESA) provides a process for conservation of fish, wildlife and plant species whose survival is endangered. Fearing that politically driven definitions of species would come back to haunt them, congressional authors of the legislation specified that different populations of the same species would be treated the same.

But despite this precaution, the National Marine Fisheries Service

(NMFS) routinely resorts to politicized science to adulterate the term "species," exaggerating how endangered certain fish are - and, not so incidentally, maximizing the power of bureaucrats. In Oregon, after 60 years of as many as 20 million hatchery-spawned coho salmon being released annually into coastal rivers, nearly all Oregon coho are descendants of hatchery-spawned fish. Yet NMFS counts only the fewer naturally spawned Oregon coastal coho and says their numbers are so small they qualify for federal protection. Fisheries officials assert behavioral characteristics of hatchery-spawned coho threaten the survival of naturally impregnated coho. This is like asserting that because grizzly bears born and raised in zoos behave differently than grizzlies in the wild, they are not legitimate members of the grizzly bear species. Because hatchery-spawned coho and naturally spawned coho are genetically identical, sound science dictates they are the same species of fish, and the Endangered Species Act mandates that they not be treated differently.

There is also no genetic difference between hatchery-inseminated and naturally impregnated rainbow or steelhead trout. In California, however, NMFS listed for protection the fewer naturally spawned Central Valley rainbow trout, while ignoring the numerous hatchery fish. In Washington, since 1950, over 2 billion Puget Sound chinook salmon have been released from hatcheries into the Sound's tributaries. NMFS biologists acknowledge that nearly all Puget Sound chinook are descendants of hatchery fish. Yet the fisheries service protects the fewer naturally spawned Puget Sound chinook salmon, while disregarding thousands of hatchery-spawned fish. So why does NMFS distinguish fish of the same species based on their means of impregnation? The answer is land-use control. Agency biologists

- and especially their environmental supporters - are seeking land-use control over as much privately owned land as possible. Their larger objective is to render such land impervious to development in any form. The presence of a protected species provides that control over the full geographic range of the species' movements. If the plentiful hatchery-spawned fish were counted, none of the mentioned species would meet the ESA's numbers-criteria for "endangered" status. But by counting only the meager numbers of so-called wild fish within the species' particular population segment, meeting that criteria is assured. Once the fish is listed for protection, NMFS staff, and the environmental activists who influence them, are empowered with immense control over how, if at all, private property owners may use their land

- even those many miles away from the rivers and streams of California, Washington and Oregon.

Thankfully, this blatant use of politicized science may be about to end. A federal judge in Oregon has ruled that the fisheries service can no longer distinguish between genetically identical coho salmon, declaring the agency must either list the species' entire population - both natural and hatchery- spawned - or neither type. If this scientifically sound ruling is upheld on appeal, at least one disingenuous method of federal intrusion on private property will have been eliminated.
flashpoint
So by their own logic, invetro fertilized babies are not HUMAN!
dezfan1
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environmental supporters - are seeking land-use control over as much privately owned land as possible. Their larger objective is to render such land impervious to development in any form.
That is what I have said all along, it's not about "species" it's about power and control! [Mad]

LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Omnivore
Since Humanity can alter the planet's flora, fauna, weather (global warming junk science notwithstanding), topography, flow of water, etc., is ANYTHING natural anymore?

Is a 2nd growth forest really a forest? Is the Salton Sea really a body of water or a yet-to-dried-up puddle? When we put sand on our beaches, are they still beach eco-systems?

When we protect, enhance, move, or restore something previously natural, is it natural or artifactual? Does it lose natural status...forever? Yes, according to NMFS logic.

When Humanity became capable of reaching every square inch of this planet and effecting change, Nature ceased to exist. The preservationists need to have a good cry, suck it up, and get on with their lives.
dezfan1
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When Humanity became capable of reaching every square inch of this planet and effecting change, Nature ceased to exist. The preservationists need to have a good cry, suck it up, and get on with their lives.
Hehehehehehe! Makes sense to me! [Wink] [Razz] [Cheese] [Eek!]

LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Bluesky
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When Humanity became capable of reaching every square inch of this planet and effecting change, Nature ceased to exist. The preservationists need to have a good cry, suck it up, and get on with their lives.
while that is arguable, the reasons to resist OHV rec are still strong.

OHVs remove ground cover and promote dust storms.

OHVs are noisy and bothersome to other people

OHVs leave ugly tracks on the few undeveloped acres we have left, ruining the impression of nature that the rest of us can enjoy.

OHVs speed and are unsafe.

OHVs are not identifiable and cannot be reported to authorities.

OHVs kill surface plants, requiring replacement by more water-dependent species to restore the impacted areas.

OHVs spoil areas for wildlife habitat, thus inviting development.

OHVs are notorious for making their own trails and play areas on resticted property.
Poiks

    [*]OHV's cause cancer
    [*]OHV's are a major source of pedophilia
    [*]OHV's strip the skin off puppies and salt them
    [*]OHV's encourage men with bad intentions to date your daughter
    [*]OHV's inhibit your ability to burn calories, making you fat
    [*]OHV's can be used with surface-to-air missiles
    [*]OHV's cause gang violence in the inner cities
    [*]OHV's are often smoked, snorted, or injected
    [*]OHV's, when poured into an unsuspecting person's drink, result in date rape
    [*]OHV's ride on sand. The people who bombed the WTC were from countries with lots of sand. Coincidence? I THINK NOT[list]
fnmeyers
LMFAO!!!!!!!! Nice [Big Grin]
Doorlord
You are both too funny.
dezfan1
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OHV's ride on sand. The people who bombed the WTC were from countries with lots of sand. Coincidence? I THINK NOT
That's it! I'm moving over to the other side, With unrefutable evidence like that provided by Blu, who wouldn't? [Wink] [Razz] [Roll Eyes] [Eek!] [Disturbed] [Confused] [Uhoh] [Cheese]

LIVE FREE OR DIE!
JET
Me too! Here I thought all along that people trying to dictate to others and suppressing their freedom was the problem with the world when it is in fact ALL caused by OHV use.

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