Now that the GOP is in charge of both houses of Congress, maybe we can get some of the eco-bs that was forced down our throat the last few days of the Clinton era overturned! We need to start with the ESA! ! Call, write, and/or e-mail your elected officials! We need to act quickly on this matter. Now its our turn! After the Nov. 5th election I think "GREEN INC." should start to worry! The people have spoken! Hey Blu, CAN YOU HEAR US NOW?!!!
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Full Version: NOW IT'S OUR TURN!
quote:what state did you vote in?
After the Nov. 5th election I think "GREEN INC." should start to worry! The people have spoken! Hey Blu, CAN YOU HEAR US NOW?!!!
quote:What difference does it make? The fact is the GOP is in control! Now Boxer And Fienstien can be corralled! People first! With any luck the ESA will soon be amended and the Rights of the people will once again be more important than some slug! So I say again, CAN YOU HEAR US NOW! IT NOT, YOU WILL SOON!
what state did you vote in?
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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when the price of gas goes up to line the pockets of GOP contributors that also received a giant tax cut and you're on the front lines in Iraq, think about how you voted.
I hope none of what I'm about to say is true, but I'm afraid it is.
Warmonger Bush was/is unable to "fight terrorism" by serving up Bin Ladens head on a plater So to keep up the high numbers before the election he kicks and screams that Sadam is a bad man and we must stop him and his weapons of mass destruction. But what do you know he faces opposition (the regular checks and balances this country was founded on) Then the gung ho voters out there still with their heads up their asses bout Bushes real reason for wanting Sadam out of power vote for BOTH houses of congress to be "controlled" by Republicans.
Am I the only one who gets a little bothered when a single group of people rejoice over having complete control over the workings of a "FREE COUNTRY" Oh sure these people were voted in but so was Davis. In Fact Hitler was voted in too. So I don't really give a crap if the masses vote a particular person in. Its also a known fact that popularity out rules common sense in polls and elections.
Heres the part I hope DOESN'T HAPPEN, but probably will.
1. Gas prices are going to go thru the roof.
2. Unemployment will continue to fall
3 More rights and freedoms will be taken away in the name of "security"
4 The closed areas will remain closed thru 2003.
5 ANOTHER 100,000 plus solders will be gassed and sent back to the U.S. where they will be ignored.
6. Bin Laden will NOT be caught.
7. Sadam will remain in power in Iraq.
There is really no point choosing sides now. Liberal or Conservative. Republican or Democrat. This is just the way its going to be. Like it or not. Like I said I hope I'm wrong, But only time will tell.![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Warmonger Bush was/is unable to "fight terrorism" by serving up Bin Ladens head on a plater So to keep up the high numbers before the election he kicks and screams that Sadam is a bad man and we must stop him and his weapons of mass destruction. But what do you know he faces opposition (the regular checks and balances this country was founded on) Then the gung ho voters out there still with their heads up their asses bout Bushes real reason for wanting Sadam out of power vote for BOTH houses of congress to be "controlled" by Republicans.
Am I the only one who gets a little bothered when a single group of people rejoice over having complete control over the workings of a "FREE COUNTRY" Oh sure these people were voted in but so was Davis. In Fact Hitler was voted in too. So I don't really give a crap if the masses vote a particular person in. Its also a known fact that popularity out rules common sense in polls and elections.
Heres the part I hope DOESN'T HAPPEN, but probably will.
1. Gas prices are going to go thru the roof.
2. Unemployment will continue to fall
3 More rights and freedoms will be taken away in the name of "security"
4 The closed areas will remain closed thru 2003.
5 ANOTHER 100,000 plus solders will be gassed and sent back to the U.S. where they will be ignored.
6. Bin Laden will NOT be caught.
7. Sadam will remain in power in Iraq.
There is really no point choosing sides now. Liberal or Conservative. Republican or Democrat. This is just the way its going to be. Like it or not. Like I said I hope I'm wrong, But only time will tell.
MRE:
I support your point because all of these listed items can happen, and have happened, when either party was in power at the federal level. As an example, your #5 would have a comparison in the 55,000 Americans who came home dead from Viet Nam.
When politics became a career, when people in power have never been a powerless person, when officials spend more time campaigning then they do leading, when elected office achieved celebrity status, when fortunes could be made from "serving" the people; that's when the American People got left behind. We are like corks in a hurricane.
There is really only one American Political Party: defined as those who have legislative power. Their core values: fill their pockets, kiss the babies, and lie, lie, lie.
Every new year Americans have to comply with an average of 1,500 new laws. Remember that "ignorance of the law is no excuse". I can't cite 10 of the new ones from this year, so I might as well check into the nearest penal institution based on the potential of my ignorance leading me astray.
I am sure that before my feet hit the floor each morning, I have broken more than a few of the 1,500, not to mention the ones from the years before. At least this provides me some comfort.
Just once I would like a legislative body to convene, say "things look OK out there", and go home for the year.
Practically all new laws are just revisions on old laws that were not funded for enforcement or, simply, not enforceable, or designed to create an advantage for someone including the politician that proposed the law.
1 in every 32 adults in the United States is either in prison or on probation.
Maybe we need a law that says "everything is illegal, then state the few things left that are not?
I support your point because all of these listed items can happen, and have happened, when either party was in power at the federal level. As an example, your #5 would have a comparison in the 55,000 Americans who came home dead from Viet Nam.
When politics became a career, when people in power have never been a powerless person, when officials spend more time campaigning then they do leading, when elected office achieved celebrity status, when fortunes could be made from "serving" the people; that's when the American People got left behind. We are like corks in a hurricane.
There is really only one American Political Party: defined as those who have legislative power. Their core values: fill their pockets, kiss the babies, and lie, lie, lie.
Every new year Americans have to comply with an average of 1,500 new laws. Remember that "ignorance of the law is no excuse". I can't cite 10 of the new ones from this year, so I might as well check into the nearest penal institution based on the potential of my ignorance leading me astray.
I am sure that before my feet hit the floor each morning, I have broken more than a few of the 1,500, not to mention the ones from the years before. At least this provides me some comfort.
Just once I would like a legislative body to convene, say "things look OK out there", and go home for the year.
Practically all new laws are just revisions on old laws that were not funded for enforcement or, simply, not enforceable, or designed to create an advantage for someone including the politician that proposed the law.
1 in every 32 adults in the United States is either in prison or on probation.
Maybe we need a law that says "everything is illegal, then state the few things left that are not?
Actually Omni my #5 was refering to the Pentagon's announcement that was published in the Washington Post in Oct. 1996 that said, nearly 100,000 GULF WAR Vets were "exposed" to sarin gas.
So I guess the amount of solders gassed doubles ever "War"?![[Mad]](mad.gif)
So I guess the amount of solders gassed doubles ever "War"?
Maybe if Bluser is right, he'll have to spend so much money filling the tank on his pollution mobile, that he won't have enough money left to pay his internet service provider and he'll be gone forever!!!
The people are safe when Congress in not in session!
They are all Illuminati anyway. We're all doomed. The end of the world is near. REPENT!
Vor
Vor
Look there the sky is falling.....
Chicken little chicken little![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Why does everybody always use hitler as an example?![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Nuke Iraq, Pave the whole country and then put up McDonalds
Chicken little chicken little
Why does everybody always use hitler as an example?
Nuke Iraq, Pave the whole country and then put up McDonalds
You know, all the Democrats are all worried about the Repub's having all the power... myself, I feel much better about the whole situation. A little bit more free.
Do I feel safer? No, not really...
Do I feel richer or poorer? No.. couldn't really say that...
Just more FREE!
Vor
Do I feel safer? No, not really...
Do I feel richer or poorer? No.. couldn't really say that...
Just more FREE!
Vor
Pure bliss with repubs in office huh? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Just enough rope I say. Just enough rope.
Just enough rope I say. Just enough rope.
You guys need to have a little more faith in the system! I know the Republicans are not perfect, but they don't seem to be as anxious to close the desert or put the "rights" of other species in front of our own!. Elvis is worried about a confrontation with Iraq, Dude, it's coming, regardless of who controls the legislative branch! I not saying it's right, just that it's coming! As far as unemployment dropping, isn't that a good thing? And gas prices, who knows! My point is, We know what the democrats did! They initiated, supported, and legislated closures at an alarming rate! They want everything to be socialized! I'd rather fend for myself, thank you! And the fact that "GREEN INC." supports the democrats and their social agenda is reason enough (in my opinion) to support the GOP! Let's give them a chance before we denounce them!
As for Blu, WHATEVER! I'd vote for a monkey before I'd vote for a candidate you supported! Your grasp of reality it questionable at best! Just reviewing your previous post goes to show this! (i.e. wanting to deny public access rights, your support of eco-terror, and your belief that all life is more important than human life!) Like I've said before, "GET A LIFE!"
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
As for Blu, WHATEVER! I'd vote for a monkey before I'd vote for a candidate you supported! Your grasp of reality it questionable at best! Just reviewing your previous post goes to show this! (i.e. wanting to deny public access rights, your support of eco-terror, and your belief that all life is more important than human life!) Like I've said before, "GET A LIFE!"
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
We've never attacked another sovereign nation before, and I'm not happy about the prospect of it happening now. There may be good news on the environmental front, but maybe not. Do you really believe that the Republicans won't go too far? I can see the "Boise Cascade National Forest" not too far down the line. I have no faith in either party.
Can you ride in the Boise Cascade National Forest?
Sounds like a road trip to me!
I hear there are some dunes in Utah somewhere we'll hit those on the way.
Sounds like a road trip to me!
I hear there are some dunes in Utah somewhere we'll hit those on the way.
quote:Here they are
Originally posted by treshombre:
I hear there are some dunes in Utah somewhere we'll hit those on the way.
http://parks.state.ut.us/parks/www1/cora.htm
Thanks Vicki and congrats on being the moderator of Glamis Issues.
Coral Pink sand Dunes looks kinda pale compared to Glamis, Guess I'll stick to the best dunes in the US since their right here!
Thanks again![[Bandit]](graemlins/bandit.gif)
Coral Pink sand Dunes looks kinda pale compared to Glamis, Guess I'll stick to the best dunes in the US since their right here!
Thanks again
Maybe I'm just hoping for to much? But when offered the alternative, "THE DEMOCRATS". I already had a really bad taste in my mouth from the 90's! I'm going to back the GOP until something better comes along! The system in place is all we have to work with! Let's try to make it work in our advantage! It's time to stand and be counted!
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
quote:Treshombre, you'd be surprised. There are a few big hills there and the dunes can be very technical. It has the softest sand I've ever duned, it was a real challenge, and a treat. There is one hill that you have to climb between the trees. Either you make or eat bark! There ain't no turning around.
Originally posted by treshombre:
..Coral Pink sand Dunes looks kinda pale compared to Glamis..
Well I might just have to try that if I get up that way ...
Combine it with a ski trip to Park Lake
Combine it with a ski trip to Park Lake
quote:where are you getting this dez?
As for Blu, WHATEVER! I'd vote for a monkey before I'd vote for a candidate you supported! Your grasp of reality it questionable at best! Just reviewing your previous post goes to show this! (i.e. wanting to deny public access rights, your support of eco-terror, and your belief that all life is more important than human life!)
as far as public access rights, I'm all for public access --on foot or animal back! we all know that OHV rec is out of control because no license plate is visible and the riders can make their own illegal trails with impunity.
I hereby categorically deny any allegation that I support eco-terror or any kind of terror. I am against all terror, incuding that kind caused by gun totin off-roaders!
"all life is more important the human life??" Those are not my values. the reason why I resist off-road impacts to nature is because nature is part of our HUMAN EXISTENCE. We need nature. We are part of nature. all life is connected. why should we kill any life form or threaten it just for a fad recreation like off-roading? We don't even understand how plants like the Peirson's Milvetch can live in an arid environment. We need to protect our fellow life-forms from the threat of extinction. In doing so we may be doing ourselves (humans) a favor.
LOU -HOO -ZER
Why don't you focus your efforts towards how Organisms can flourish in a Sulfur environment 10000 feet under the Sea at Tectonic Plates ? Something that may be far beyond beneficial?
Why is it you focus towards only what you witness? [ie. Land based]
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Why don't you focus your efforts towards how Organisms can flourish in a Sulfur environment 10000 feet under the Sea at Tectonic Plates ? Something that may be far beyond beneficial?
Why is it you focus towards only what you witness? [ie. Land based]
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Good lord? somebody Curb this newbie
Must be fun eating at your house blu....
Do you eat your friends the animals ...
Or your "fellow life-forms" and just have a salad?
Do you eat your friends the animals ...
Or your "fellow life-forms" and just have a salad?
Dezfan says:
"We need to start with the ESA! ! Call, write, and/or e-mail your elected officials! We need to act quickly on this matter."
_____________________________________________________________________________________________
You are right Dez. For the politician who brings no strong convictions to his/her forum, communicating your position, as a constituent, is important for their policy formulation. For the rarer form of public official, the ones who campaign on their positions and then govern with the same beliefs, getting everyone to vote and educating voters on the issues and candidates positions is the remainder of the tools in effecting change.
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Bluesky says:
"As far as public access rights, I'm all for public access --on foot or animal back! we all know that OHV rec is out of control because no license plate is visible and the riders can make their own illegal trails with impunity."
So if someone is on foot or causing one of our "equals" to carry us on their backs, enslaved to our pleasure, to be belittled by our superiority, suffering pain, misery, and humiliation so that humans can be in sublime comfort as they travel, to push a metal bit in their mouth, to turn their heads by force to direct, to cinch a chair about their waist inhibiting their breath and digestion, to beat them when they tarry, to "break" them into submission
(Oops, I apologize, having been swept up with the preservationist belief system for a second!!!)
So it's physically impossible to make an illegal trail unless you are utilizing a motorized vehicle? That hikers and equestrians are always "in control" and that OHVers are always "out of control" because of license plate visibility?
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Bluesky says:
"I hereby categorically deny any allegation that I support eco-terror or any kind of terror. I am against all terror, including that kind caused by gun totin off-roaders!"
Some how I have missed the news stories about the growth of property damage and sabotage caused by GUN TOTIN' off roaders. Maybe they were just lilly-livered, yeller-bellied, whiskey-swillin' , cattle-russlin', horse thievin', fence-cuttin', well-poisonin', damsel distressin', confederate desertin', slave stealin', moonshinein' dog kickers in off road vehicles and I did not make the connection.
"We need to start with the ESA! ! Call, write, and/or e-mail your elected officials! We need to act quickly on this matter."
_____________________________________________________________________________________________
You are right Dez. For the politician who brings no strong convictions to his/her forum, communicating your position, as a constituent, is important for their policy formulation. For the rarer form of public official, the ones who campaign on their positions and then govern with the same beliefs, getting everyone to vote and educating voters on the issues and candidates positions is the remainder of the tools in effecting change.
_____________________________________________________________________________
Bluesky says:
"As far as public access rights, I'm all for public access --on foot or animal back! we all know that OHV rec is out of control because no license plate is visible and the riders can make their own illegal trails with impunity."
So if someone is on foot or causing one of our "equals" to carry us on their backs, enslaved to our pleasure, to be belittled by our superiority, suffering pain, misery, and humiliation so that humans can be in sublime comfort as they travel, to push a metal bit in their mouth, to turn their heads by force to direct, to cinch a chair about their waist inhibiting their breath and digestion, to beat them when they tarry, to "break" them into submission
(Oops, I apologize, having been swept up with the preservationist belief system for a second!!!)
So it's physically impossible to make an illegal trail unless you are utilizing a motorized vehicle? That hikers and equestrians are always "in control" and that OHVers are always "out of control" because of license plate visibility?
__________________________________________________________________________________________________
Bluesky says:
"I hereby categorically deny any allegation that I support eco-terror or any kind of terror. I am against all terror, including that kind caused by gun totin off-roaders!"
Some how I have missed the news stories about the growth of property damage and sabotage caused by GUN TOTIN' off roaders. Maybe they were just lilly-livered, yeller-bellied, whiskey-swillin' , cattle-russlin', horse thievin', fence-cuttin', well-poisonin', damsel distressin', confederate desertin', slave stealin', moonshinein' dog kickers in off road vehicles and I did not make the connection.
Ya, what he said! Omnivore, You just have to love this guy! I'll bet blu panties are in such a wad right now that the blood has quit flowing to his brain! ![[Cheese]](graemlins/cheese.gif)
Omni, you the man!
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Omni, you the man!
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Dude, tell it how it is......the blood quit flowing to his brain LONG AGO!!!!!
Blue is a quack that thinks he knows whats best, and proceeds to force HIS way of thinking and life down everyones throat....sounds a lot like Socialism, gee call a duck a duck. Blue and all his hand wringing friends should move to China, Vietnam, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, North Korea, or Iran since they CANT STAND true freedom. See how quickly they would run their sorry asses back here once they couldnt get their way.
This all comes down to narcisism; Blue and Co. have such a huge ego problem they think that their tiny minute actions really affect things. The truth: Earth has been around for 4.6 Billion years, and has weathered itself out of lots of Global Warming, and Ice Ages just fine. These idiot humans who think THEY(the almighty) have such an influence on everything in this world, "saving" this species and that one, really just have an ego problem. They think they can play God with nature, man and beast because THEY ARE SO RELEVANT, and they dont even realize how IRRELEVANT they are to the survival of the Earth. Any human with an ounce of common sense would realize that human existence has only been around for 10,000+- years which is a pebble in the sand dunes of time.
Bluedick, how ever did the Earth survive before all the Greenies were around to "save the world"?
So, in closing I saw Blue & Co. deflate your heads, realize that you dont and cant control nature, thats Gods job. Every common sense Republican realized all this long ago, thats why we left the dark side.
Blue is a quack that thinks he knows whats best, and proceeds to force HIS way of thinking and life down everyones throat....sounds a lot like Socialism, gee call a duck a duck. Blue and all his hand wringing friends should move to China, Vietnam, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, North Korea, or Iran since they CANT STAND true freedom. See how quickly they would run their sorry asses back here once they couldnt get their way.
This all comes down to narcisism; Blue and Co. have such a huge ego problem they think that their tiny minute actions really affect things. The truth: Earth has been around for 4.6 Billion years, and has weathered itself out of lots of Global Warming, and Ice Ages just fine. These idiot humans who think THEY(the almighty) have such an influence on everything in this world, "saving" this species and that one, really just have an ego problem. They think they can play God with nature, man and beast because THEY ARE SO RELEVANT, and they dont even realize how IRRELEVANT they are to the survival of the Earth. Any human with an ounce of common sense would realize that human existence has only been around for 10,000+- years which is a pebble in the sand dunes of time.
Bluedick, how ever did the Earth survive before all the Greenies were around to "save the world"?
So, in closing I saw Blue & Co. deflate your heads, realize that you dont and cant control nature, thats Gods job. Every common sense Republican realized all this long ago, thats why we left the dark side.
quote:
Originally posted by dezfan1:
Ya, what he said! Omnivore, You just have to love this guy! I'll bet blu panties are in such a wad right now that the blood has quit flowing to his brain!
Omni, you the man!
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
dumbguy--is your handle a clue to why you posted?
I've heard this argument before from off-roaders--"the earth will survive anyway, regardless of how much we track it up!"
DG--the point is to avoid destroying the human habitat so we can continue to exist!
here's a quote from USGS Bulletin # 2149 "Geologic Processes at the Land's Surface"
We cannot remain blind to the almost daily warnings from a wide spectrum of scientists about the gradual decay of the earth's human life-support systems under ever-increasing population load. Land resources and land hazards profoundly affect the lives of every person on earth. Yet, we proceed as if fully confident of our ability to undo any damage that we inflict on the land, secure in a mistaken belief that the land can meet all of our desires and remain all that it was.
The extent of our ignorance of how natural surface systems operate underscores a need for action. Earth scientists studying the land's surface need to work toward two main goals:
1. To understand--comprehensively--the origin and evolution of life-sustaining resources at the earth's land surface, the rates of their formation and decay, and their sensitivity to change. We must learn to assess accurately the present condition of these resources and of the interdependent systems of which they are a part and to predict what their future condition will be.
2. To explain our research to decision makers and the public so that sound land-use policies can be formulated. We must offer honest and convincing explanations of the carrying capacity of land-surface resources, by defining in defensible scientific terms the rates of their formation and replenishment."
US Govt Printing Office, Washington: 1996
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I've heard this argument before from off-roaders--"the earth will survive anyway, regardless of how much we track it up!"
DG--the point is to avoid destroying the human habitat so we can continue to exist!
here's a quote from USGS Bulletin # 2149 "Geologic Processes at the Land's Surface"
We cannot remain blind to the almost daily warnings from a wide spectrum of scientists about the gradual decay of the earth's human life-support systems under ever-increasing population load. Land resources and land hazards profoundly affect the lives of every person on earth. Yet, we proceed as if fully confident of our ability to undo any damage that we inflict on the land, secure in a mistaken belief that the land can meet all of our desires and remain all that it was.
The extent of our ignorance of how natural surface systems operate underscores a need for action. Earth scientists studying the land's surface need to work toward two main goals:
1. To understand--comprehensively--the origin and evolution of life-sustaining resources at the earth's land surface, the rates of their formation and decay, and their sensitivity to change. We must learn to assess accurately the present condition of these resources and of the interdependent systems of which they are a part and to predict what their future condition will be.
2. To explain our research to decision makers and the public so that sound land-use policies can be formulated. We must offer honest and convincing explanations of the carrying capacity of land-surface resources, by defining in defensible scientific terms the rates of their formation and replenishment."
US Govt Printing Office, Washington: 1996
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"There is some generally-accepted wisdom about dealing with Internet trolls: 'Don't feed the trolls, that will only encourage them.' That is, do not respond to them, that is the attention they desire."
quote:And yet with EVERYTHING you have ever posted, not once have you showed any substantial environmental damage caused by the OHV community! Only temporary aesthetic damage at best! Nature can erase those in a relatively short time frame! Do you really thing that a few trails on the side of a hill are going to be the end of life as we know it?
the point is to avoid destroying the human habitat so we can continue to exist!
![[Confused]](confused.gif)
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
I can't even believe we're talking about this in a Glamis Dunes forum. What are we doing, breaking the sand up into little pieces?
There may be significant ramifications to long-term OHV use in some environments. But not the ISDRA. Whatever's going to happen out there due to OHV use has happened already. Blu can go hike in the 32,000 acres of wilderness--alone, no doubt.
There may be significant ramifications to long-term OHV use in some environments. But not the ISDRA. Whatever's going to happen out there due to OHV use has happened already. Blu can go hike in the 32,000 acres of wilderness--alone, no doubt.
I Am with poiks on this one, America attacking, unprovoked? Seems A little wrong to me. I thought we were supposed to be the big brother to the small countries of the world, not the
Big bullies. Then again maybe it is really needed. All I know is Nukes are not the answer to anything. None of these things need to exist out there not ours, not anyone's. If they are resisting UN inspection then they have something to hide. Then maybe we have to go take them from them. I carry my draft card in my wallet. Some of My teachers are saying that It's not to far fetched that a draft may be enacted. I don't know if that is going to happen but the thought that my life and all of my closest friends lives could be flipped upside down by this situation is a little diturbing.
on a side note
I thought it was really neat how blu managed to not respond to Omni's post.
funny huh.
Gun Totin off roaders???? what are you on.
I'm an Off roader and I don't own a gun although it is my right to do so.
Blu Please explain the kind of terror that is caused by "Gun-totin Off-roaders" and why you chose to put those two words together?
I didnt' want Blu to miss the question
Big bullies. Then again maybe it is really needed. All I know is Nukes are not the answer to anything. None of these things need to exist out there not ours, not anyone's. If they are resisting UN inspection then they have something to hide. Then maybe we have to go take them from them. I carry my draft card in my wallet. Some of My teachers are saying that It's not to far fetched that a draft may be enacted. I don't know if that is going to happen but the thought that my life and all of my closest friends lives could be flipped upside down by this situation is a little diturbing.
on a side note
I thought it was really neat how blu managed to not respond to Omni's post.
funny huh.
Gun Totin off roaders????
what are you on.I'm an Off roader and I don't own a gun although it is my right to do so.
Blu Please explain the kind of terror that is caused by "Gun-totin Off-roaders" and why you chose to put those two words together?
I didnt' want Blu to miss the question
quote:the PMV is listed by the US Govt and the State of CA as "threatened". Isn't that proof of something?
And yet with EVERYTHING you have ever posted, not once have you showed any substantial environmental damage caused by the OHV community!
quote:In most desert areas, it will take 100 years for OHV tracks to disappear. In the dunes, no one know how long it will take for the native wildlife to recover.
Only temporary aesthetic damage at best! Nature can erase those in a relatively short time frame!
quote:It's not a few, it's THOUSANDS. I'm not a scientist and neither are you. The research I quoted indicates that we humans are impacting our world at a rate so fast that damage can be done before we're aware of the long term effects of it.
Do you really thing that a few trails on the side of a hill are going to be the end of life as we know it?
Well Blu, You've done it again, (to quote Scott Evil) ASS...
Oh, and fix your avatar Blozo.
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quote:It's as abundant in the ohv area as in the closed area on the other side of the dunes. Possibly more so.
the PMV is listed by the US Govt and the State of CA as "threatened". Isn't that proof of something?
quote:One good windy day and aside from some trash, which is ugly but doesn't threaten any plants or animals, you'd never know we were there. Geez, that's not even 100 DOG years(again Scott) ...ASS...
In most desert areas, it will take 100 years for OHV tracks to disappear. In the dunes, no one know how long it will take for the native wildlife to recover.
quote:Oh those damn OHV people. They're all chopping down the rain forest, causing oil spills in the ocean, building nuclear power stations, starting wars, knocking holes in the ozone, using CFC aerosol cans, dumping antifreeze in the gutter, strip mining, drinking milk so more cows can produce methane, eating burgers from styrofoam boxes, and dumping toxic waste in the ocean. We'd better put a stop to them! QUICK, to the Blu's Mobile, we've got a long day of "Copy and Paste" ahead ..... Just go away(Scott, please....) Ass.....
The research I quoted indicates that we humans are impacting our world at a rate so fast that damage can be done before we're aware of the long term effects of it.
Oh, and fix your avatar Blozo.
[ 11-13-2002, 08:27 PM: Message edited by: Race255 ]
quote:No, It is not! The PMV was listed because the CBD sued the BLM, The BLM, not having the resources to fight the suit, caved to the preasure! As we have stated many many times the most current data available states that the PMV is THRIVING! Not just surviving, but THRIVING!
the PMV is listed by the US Govt and the State of CA as "threatened". Isn't that proof of something?
quote:What a crock! Blu, the desert around the Blythe area was used to train tens of thousands of soldiers in WWII! Hundreds of tanks, jeeps, trucks, and other assorted military vehicles covered the desert 24/7 for months on end! That was only 60 years ago! Yet the only evidence of their being there are a few shell casings and sea ration cans! Now explain how a few dirt bikes are going to do more damage than an ARMY? Once again, your "facts" don't add up!
In most desert areas, it will take 100 years for OHV tracks to disappear. In the dunes, no one know how long it will take for the native wildlife to recover.
quote:And research I've read say's that there in no proof that we are impacting the Earth substantualy enough to be measured! Global Warming? NASA scientist have stated that the average increase in the Earth's temporature is 1/2 of 1 degree! Sounds to me like "GREEN INC." yelling, the sky is falling! Deforestation? There are 100 MILLION more acres of forest now than there were in the early 20th century! I could go on and on! But, the science is non-conclusive!
It's not a few, it's THOUSANDS. I'm not a scientist and neither are you. The research I quoted indicates that we humans are impacting our world at a rate so fast that damage can be done before we're aware of the long term effects of it.
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The PMV is fine but it doesn't matter. Blu doesn't care about the PMV, he cares about banning OHV's. Everywhere. By any means. Why argue with him/her?
quote:get your facts straight.
No, It is not! The PMV was listed because the CBD sued the BLM,
the PMV was listed as was the tortoise and the BLM did nothing (and still hasn't) to come up with a habitat conservation plan, so the CBD sued to close the areas until BLM came up with a plan. I heard today that an extension has been granted to BLM until June 2003 to come up with this plan. The dunes will stay closed at least until then.
Get him Scott............
quote:So, lets say your right. The fact remains that the PMV is not endangered! Yet YOU still support the closures! So I guess my statement that it's not about the protection of species, but about CONTROL! That's what I thought!
the PMV was listed as was the tortoise and the BLM did nothing (and still hasn't) to come up with a habitat conservation plan, so the CBD sued to close the areas until BLM came up with a plan.
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quote:you're right, it's not endangered, it's THREATENED. BY OFF-ROAD VEHICLE IMPACTS.
The fact remains that the PMV is not endangered! Yet YOU still support the closures!
quote:WHAT ARE YOU, DEAF OR SOMETHING? The LATEST scientific report states that the PMV is THRIVING!!! What part of that word do you not understand? Admit it blu, The protection of species is just a cover for "GREEN INC." to gain control of both public and private lands!
you're right, it's not endangered, it's THREATENED. BY OFF-ROAD VEHICLE IMPACTS
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I'm pretty sure you got through to him this time. You prepared to admit defeat, Blu? Right....
You guys are wasting your time arguing with Blu. I know, been there, done that. "It" (Blu) will never accept the true facts. Hey Blu, kiss my ais!
I know Poiks, I let Blu get to me. I can't help my self! Every time I see one of his nonsensical post I just lose it! But, your right, It's apparent that Blu is not open to the obvious fact's that we use to re-enforce our opinions! He is dead set in his desire to rid the world of us. I am going to try to restrain myself from now on. God help me, I know I'll need it! ![[Disturbed]](graemlins/disturbed.gif)
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