Are these people computer illiterate? Or are they just afraid to answer questions publicly? With this being the largest Glamis site on the net, wouldn't you think that they might want to interact with those people they have a sudden interest in?
When I first heard of them, I thought it would be a positive thing...get the local communities involved and understanding just what the "impact" the off roaders have on the local economy, and most importantly, just what the result the the LOSS of that income stream would do to them. That would be a good thing, and bring more "votes" to bear on the politicans and give them more weight to offset the lies spewing from the mouths of the econazi's.
Yet, it appears there very well could be a hidden agenda...are they trying to take over the public land and make some large bucks? If you start to look deeper, then you might come to that conclusion. They seem to have appeared out of nowhere, and managed to create some rather questionable impacts. How did they get such juice so quickly in the game?
I think it would be very much in their favor if some representative would join gd.com, and interact with us, answer questions, etc. Otherwise, we'll just keep on floundering in the dark, wondering what their exact motivation is. It sure would help me decide whether they are friend or foe, and act accordingly. At this point, I'm starting to think that their ignoring us is putting them squarely into the "foe" column.
Full Version: Where Is The UDG?
The only thing we know about them is what the ASA is telling us they are, thru their newsletter and website.
What we have all been trying to figure out, is how good or bad is the UDG. Is promoting the Dunes actually a good thing?? Not sure. It certainly is good for the neighboring cities, but it also seems it could make Glamis more of an Disneyland Attraction, than the place we al love, IMHO!
What we have all been trying to figure out, is how good or bad is the UDG. Is promoting the Dunes actually a good thing?? Not sure. It certainly is good for the neighboring cities, but it also seems it could make Glamis more of an Disneyland Attraction, than the place we al love, IMHO!
I'm asking the same question BH. I did a lot of reading last night... and was not happy with the results I found. Like I said earlier...
check out:
U.d.g.?, Help me understand thread
United Desert Gateway... Who Are They? thread
Recent Meetings With Udg, Blm & Icso thread
United Desert Gateway, meeting updates thread
The UDG President, Nicole Gilles, will be in attendance at the next ASA meeting Open Asa Board Meeting -- July 23 At 9:00 Am, Guests: Neil Hamada, Nicole Gilles I sincerely hope someone has the opportunity to ask a few questions...
Something is really unsettling to me about this whole deal... if you couldn't tell.
QUOTE(HozayKwarvo @ Jul 13 2005, 04:25 PM)
Is this an org set up behind the "we are busting our butts" blinder so their motives aren't questioned? Are these the folks that have been on the front lines over the last few years establishing a repoire with the BLM and the beaurocrats and have now formed their "new" group to really push their own agenda 
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check out:
U.d.g.?, Help me understand thread
United Desert Gateway... Who Are They? thread
Recent Meetings With Udg, Blm & Icso thread
United Desert Gateway, meeting updates thread
The UDG President, Nicole Gilles, will be in attendance at the next ASA meeting Open Asa Board Meeting -- July 23 At 9:00 Am, Guests: Neil Hamada, Nicole Gilles I sincerely hope someone has the opportunity to ask a few questions...
Something is really unsettling to me about this whole deal... if you couldn't tell.
QUOTE(alxcook @ Jul 14 2005, 07:04 AM)
The only thing we know about them is what the ASA is telling us they are, thru their newsletter and website.
What we have all been trying to figure out, is how good or bad is the UDG. Is promoting the Dunes actually a good thing?? Not sure. It certainly is good for the neighboring cities, but it also seems it could make Glamis more of an Disneyland Attraction, than the place we al love, IMHO!
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What we have all been trying to figure out, is how good or bad is the UDG. Is promoting the Dunes actually a good thing?? Not sure. It certainly is good for the neighboring cities, but it also seems it could make Glamis more of an Disneyland Attraction, than the place we al love, IMHO!
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There's much more info to be found than just what the ASA has on its website.
This isn't just about promoting the dunes. Check through the links above.
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QUOTE(The Pastor @ Jun 30 2005, 02:11 PM)
Some things I have found on my search, may be unrelated... bear with me...
http://www.ccbres.sdsu.edu/community_outre...on_pdf/Haas.pdf
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from Dr. Haas's presentation in January of '05... "Look North to see South" ...he comments on 2 specific rec. areas... this is their "outside the box" ideals...
Park #1 Waterton-Glacier International Peace Park - yes, international. Canada/Montana border. Wonder if this is why we need a permanent building to house BLM AND BP
Park #2 Valles Caldera National Park - ...http://www.vallescaldera.gov/about/...
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About VCNP
The Valles Caldera Trust was created by the Valles Caldera Preservation Act of 2000 to preserve and protect the historic Baca Ranch of New Mexico’s Jemez Mountains. The groundbreaking legislation that provided for the federal purchase of this 89,000-acre ranch nestled inside a volcanic caldera also created a unique experiment in public land management.
A nine-member board of trustees is responsible for the protection and development of the Valles Caldera National Preserve. Seven of its members are appointed by the President of the United States. In addition, the current Superintendent of nearby Bandelier National Monument and the Forest Supervisor of the Santa Fe National Forest also serve on the board. All board decisions are made in public meetings.
In August of 2002, the management authority for the new piece of public land was transferred to the Valles Caldera Trust.. With the prospect of the opportunities presented by a blank slate, the board began its work. This work includes continuing ranch operations while opening the preserve to visitors. We are using science-based adaptive management to inform our management and decision-making on the preserve.
Today, the Valles Caldera National Preserve and the Valles Caldera Trust are still works in progress. With a small but creative staff, we’re working to find ways to meaningfully include the public in the development of our programs and planning.
A non-proft, 501©(1) organization, the trust can accept donations.
The Valles Caldera Trust was created by the Valles Caldera Preservation Act of 2000 to preserve and protect the historic Baca Ranch of New Mexico’s Jemez Mountains. The groundbreaking legislation that provided for the federal purchase of this 89,000-acre ranch nestled inside a volcanic caldera also created a unique experiment in public land management.
A nine-member board of trustees is responsible for the protection and development of the Valles Caldera National Preserve. Seven of its members are appointed by the President of the United States. In addition, the current Superintendent of nearby Bandelier National Monument and the Forest Supervisor of the Santa Fe National Forest also serve on the board. All board decisions are made in public meetings.
In August of 2002, the management authority for the new piece of public land was transferred to the Valles Caldera Trust.. With the prospect of the opportunities presented by a blank slate, the board began its work. This work includes continuing ranch operations while opening the preserve to visitors. We are using science-based adaptive management to inform our management and decision-making on the preserve.
Today, the Valles Caldera National Preserve and the Valles Caldera Trust are still works in progress. With a small but creative staff, we’re working to find ways to meaningfully include the public in the development of our programs and planning.
A non-proft, 501©(1) organization, the trust can accept donations.
and found this report on it as well... http://www.perc.org/publications/percrepor...2004/valles.php
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VALLES CALDERA NATIONAL PRESERVE - A NEW PARADIGM FOR FEDERAL LANDS?
By Brian Yablonski
...User fees and access restrictions will play an important role. In fact, the "sense of solitude for visitors," says VCNP communications director Julie Grey,1 makes the preserve unique. In advance of our own visit to the preserve, my wife and I had to make a reservation to hike the Cerros Del Abrigo Trail. With only a dozen hikers allowed on the trail during our designated time, we gladly paid $10 each to have the preserve to ourselves. Others pay for privately led photo excursions and fly-fishing clinics. In its first year of operation alone, access fees for elk hunting, trout fishing, and hiking grossed close to half a million dollars. ...
By Brian Yablonski
...User fees and access restrictions will play an important role. In fact, the "sense of solitude for visitors," says VCNP communications director Julie Grey,1 makes the preserve unique. In advance of our own visit to the preserve, my wife and I had to make a reservation to hike the Cerros Del Abrigo Trail. With only a dozen hikers allowed on the trail during our designated time, we gladly paid $10 each to have the preserve to ourselves. Others pay for privately led photo excursions and fly-fishing clinics. In its first year of operation alone, access fees for elk hunting, trout fishing, and hiking grossed close to half a million dollars. ...
combine the two at ISDRA and what do you get?
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Pay-to-play
you got it.... for the low price of $49 a night you too can camp in modern campsites with full hookups and have the dunes to yourself... of course you'd better make your reservations 6 months in advance.
This make anyone else feel a little sick to their stomache?
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GAAAAAAH!!!
QUOTE(BeachHead @ Jul 14 2005, 06:18 AM)
Are these people computer illiterate? Or are they just afraid to answer questions publicly? With this being the largest Glamis site on the net, wouldn't you think that they might want to interact with those people they have a sudden interest in?
When I first heard of them, I thought it would be a positive thing...get the local communities involved and understanding just what the "impact" the off roaders have on the local economy, and most importantly, just what the result the the LOSS of that income stream would do to them. That would be a good thing, and bring more "votes" to bear on the politicans and give them more weight to offset the lies spewing from the mouths of the econazi's.
Yet, it appears there very well could be a hidden agenda...are they trying to take over the public land and make some large bucks? If you start to look deeper, then you might come to that conclusion. They seem to have appeared out of nowhere, and managed to create some rather questionable impacts. How did they get such juice so quickly in the game?
I think it would be very much in their favor if some representative would join gd.com, and interact with us, answer questions, etc. Otherwise, we'll just keep on floundering in the dark, wondering what their exact motivation is. It sure would help me decide whether they are friend or foe, and act accordingly. At this point, I'm starting to think that their ignoring us is putting them squarely into the "foe" column.
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When I first heard of them, I thought it would be a positive thing...get the local communities involved and understanding just what the "impact" the off roaders have on the local economy, and most importantly, just what the result the the LOSS of that income stream would do to them. That would be a good thing, and bring more "votes" to bear on the politicans and give them more weight to offset the lies spewing from the mouths of the econazi's.
Yet, it appears there very well could be a hidden agenda...are they trying to take over the public land and make some large bucks? If you start to look deeper, then you might come to that conclusion. They seem to have appeared out of nowhere, and managed to create some rather questionable impacts. How did they get such juice so quickly in the game?
I think it would be very much in their favor if some representative would join gd.com, and interact with us, answer questions, etc. Otherwise, we'll just keep on floundering in the dark, wondering what their exact motivation is. It sure would help me decide whether they are friend or foe, and act accordingly. At this point, I'm starting to think that their ignoring us is putting them squarely into the "foe" column.
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I will field this one. The "juice" is right off the asa's table. You could argue they all eat at the same table! Often.
And if you don't think the blm/trt/asa and udg, all dont read these post daily, your mistaken. They do.
The blm do all day.
The blm do all day.
WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHO THE UDG REPRESENTS.. I've heard of ONE person only thats tied to the UDG..
Where is a list of companys involved?? I want to know who is who and what their ideas are. Not what is being fed to me.
WHO should be your questions..
NEIL and the rest of the BLM..
Ill be at the canal in a few weeks.. Come on out for a swim and a 
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Where is a list of companys involved?? I want to know who is who and what their ideas are. Not what is being fed to me.
WHO should be your questions..
NEIL and the rest of the BLM..
Ill be at the canal in a few weeks.. Come on out for a swim and a .. QUOTE(Chummin @ Jul 14 2005, 08:46 AM)
WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHO THE UDG REPRESENTS.. I've heard of ONE person only thats tied to the UDG..
Where is a list of companys involved?? I want to know who is who and what their ideas are. Not what is being fed to me.
WHO should be your questions..
NEIL and the rest of the BLM.. Ill be at the canal in a few weeks.. Come on out for a swim and a ..
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Where is a list of companys involved?? I want to know who is who and what their ideas are. Not what is being fed to me.
WHO should be your questions..
NEIL and the rest of the BLM..
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I said in the other thread who the UDG is...
Nicole Gilles, Brawley Chamber of Commerce Executive Director - president
Cathy Kennerson, El Centro Chamber of Commerce Executive Director - chief financial officer
Ken Rosevear,Yuma Chamber Executive Director - secretary.
...along with Dr. Glenn Haas that they have hired to do studies for them.
As for the real OHV businesses directly tied to them... haven't seen much as of yet, other than Weekend Warrior donating a trailer for use with the buggy being bought for the south dunes... BLM/UDG split cost of buggy.
btw... any guesses as to who the maker of the buggy will be?
I too have been reading the threads. That's why I started this thread....Perhaps I'm spoiled by having Grant, Vicki, and many other ASA and DUNERS officials participate in these forums, and keep the rest of us informed. This new group OBVIOUSLY has some serious influence at least with the blm, and I'd sure like to see them here, interacting with the everyday duner, answering questions (yes, even the tough ones) and allowing us to decide whether they deserve our support or not.
I hope they don't want to be lumped into the same category of the others who "claim" interest in Mother G, yet fear to interact in this forum..you know...danny boy and his evil brethren.
I hope they don't want to be lumped into the same category of the others who "claim" interest in Mother G, yet fear to interact in this forum..you know...danny boy and his evil brethren.
While I would rather the UDG have a on-line presense I can't say they came out of nowhere. As I posted elsewhere I know that Ken Rosevar at least has been working behind the scenes for years in the fight to keep the dunes open and has been wanted to form something like the UDG for quite awhile.
The founders of the UDG are also people will pull locally - so of course they're going to have power out of the gate. They've got local political and business experience and have been concerned about the dunes for a long time. When they finally joined forces it was inevetable that they'd come out of the gate full bore.
The UDG isn't trying to take over the dunes. They're trying to do the same thing the ASA has been trying to do - hold the BLM responsible for their mismanagement. The UDG is just tackling this in a different way with different tools and different concerns.
More information would be great. Espically since it seems 99% of the concerns are about the lack of information or guesses about what some bits of information may or may not be saying.
The founders of the UDG are also people will pull locally - so of course they're going to have power out of the gate. They've got local political and business experience and have been concerned about the dunes for a long time. When they finally joined forces it was inevetable that they'd come out of the gate full bore.
The UDG isn't trying to take over the dunes. They're trying to do the same thing the ASA has been trying to do - hold the BLM responsible for their mismanagement. The UDG is just tackling this in a different way with different tools and different concerns.
More information would be great. Espically since it seems 99% of the concerns are about the lack of information or guesses about what some bits of information may or may not be saying.
Well, one can often tell the direction of an organization by those they employ. A couple minutes spent googling Glenn Haas, finds some interesting viewpoints. Anyone else sense “econazi” from his writings?
A MUST read!! Not good news, pay attention to the recommendations!!:
http://www.cnr.colostate.edu/NRRT/hdnr/np.htm
Here’s an article by the guy, does he sound like an OHV advocate to you?
http://www.denverpost.com/guestcommentary/ci_2806814
anyone got $400 to take this correspondence course taught by this guy:
http://parks.state.co.us/home/kids/publica...ion_request.asp
Other articles:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_...38/ai_100110878
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_..._37/ai_86505437
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_..._35/ai_66035654
A MUST read!! Not good news, pay attention to the recommendations!!:
http://www.cnr.colostate.edu/NRRT/hdnr/np.htm
Here’s an article by the guy, does he sound like an OHV advocate to you?
http://www.denverpost.com/guestcommentary/ci_2806814
anyone got $400 to take this correspondence course taught by this guy:
http://parks.state.co.us/home/kids/publica...ion_request.asp
Other articles:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_...38/ai_100110878
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_..._37/ai_86505437
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_..._35/ai_66035654
QUOTE(jhitesma @ Jul 14 2005, 09:30 AM)
The UDG isn't trying to take over the dunes. They're trying to do the same thing the ASA has been trying to do - hold the BLM responsible for their mismanagement. The UDG is just tackling this in a different way with different tools and different concerns. [right][snapback]1068456[/snapback][/right]
You saw the information on VCNP? Ran by a board of trustees? I'm not saying that IS what they want to do... but how can you say it IS NOT
I always find these posts interesting... people asking questions on a message board but don't go right to the source... like making the phone call or even sending an email... Just looking to make an issue of something no matter what the topic is about... 
Here is a thought,,, join an organization (you decide), volunteer your extra time (how much time do you spend here a day???) and get the real answers to those questions you seek...
It really isn't all that hard you know...
For the ASA you can do it here:
ASA Volunteer Committees (you decide which one)
The other option is the one your doing now,,, posting assumptions and wasting valuable time...
Just looking to make an issue of something no matter what the topic is about... Here is a thought,,, join an organization (you decide), volunteer your extra time (how much time do you spend here a day???) and get the real answers to those questions you seek...
It really isn't all that hard you know...
For the ASA you can do it here:
ASA Volunteer Committees (you decide which one)
The other option is the one your doing now,,, posting assumptions and wasting valuable time...
QUOTE(Sanduners @ Jul 14 2005, 11:00 AM)
I always find these posts interesting... people asking questions on a message board but don't go right to the source... like making the phone call or even sending an email... Just looking to make an issue of something no matter what the topic is about...
Here is a thought,,, join an organization (you decide), volunteer your extra time (how much time do you spend here a day???) and get the real answers to those questions you seek...
It really isn't all that hard you know...
For the ASA you can do it here:
ASA Volunteer Committees (you decide which one)
The other option is the one your doing now,,, posting assumptions and wasting valuable time...
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Just looking to make an issue of something no matter what the topic is about... Here is a thought,,, join an organization (you decide), volunteer your extra time (how much time do you spend here a day???) and get the real answers to those questions you seek...
It really isn't all that hard you know...
For the ASA you can do it here:
ASA Volunteer Committees (you decide which one)
The other option is the one your doing now,,, posting assumptions and wasting valuable time...
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This is my favorite one. Right out of the hand book! Thanks for posting that one, haven't seen it in awhile.
For everyone else, keep posting those "fake" answers!
I like to see both.
QUOTE(BeachHead @ Jul 14 2005, 10:32 AM)
Well, one can often tell the direction of an organization by those they employ. A couple minutes spent googling Glenn Haas, finds some interesting viewpoints. Anyone else sense “econazi” from his writings?
History... Dr. Haas is an expert in his field and was used by the BLM for the DRAMP regarding the vistor info. The ASA meet with him years ago, seems like a very fare and honest man. I've meet him too. This is the same way the ASA found Dr. Art Phillips III, Phd. to do the plant studies...and others
Question: If you were going to discredit the BLM regarding capacity limits would you use an expert in that field that they hired before or use someone not known and possibly have a pissing match???
QUOTE(stonehenge @ Jul 14 2005, 12:07 PM)
This is my favorite one. Right out of the hand book! Thanks for posting that one, haven't seen it in awhile.
And Stoney,,, that is on page 3...
Remember,,, I really appreciate what you do for our dunes, it is unmeasurable...
(edited to put stoney's ASA "bash of the day" into my post)
QUOTE(Sanduners @ Jul 14 2005, 11:00 AM)
I always find these posts interesting... people asking questions on a message board but don't go right to the source... like making the phone call or even sending an email... Just looking to make an issue of something no matter what the topic is about...
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QUOTE(Sanduners @ Jul 13 2005, 11:10 AM)
Or even better, if that doesn't answer your questions,,,
Send an email with your questions to:
nicole@brawleychamber.com
760-344-3160
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Send an email with your questions to:
nicole@brawleychamber.com
760-344-3160
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She is out of the office until tomorrow morning.
I figured that with between all of the traffic on this board and many of its members having been actively invloved with these issues for years maybe someone could shed some light on it
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Send an email with your questions to:
nicole@brawleychamber.com
760-344-3160
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she is out of the office until tomorrow morning.
I figured that with between all of the traffic on this board and many of its members having been actively invloved with these issues for years maybe someone could shed some light on it
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OH, I KNOW....... she is probably in D.C. , making sure that she shows her suppourt for us DUNE LOVERS.....
Here is what scares me about the UDG, how do we know they are protecting the right of the off roader and not the Greens down the road. What stops them from adding greens from the local communities and overturn the majority (off roaders)?? From what I can tell this organization has the interest of the local business's, not duners in particular! Is this good?
Do you find them interesting because people are asking questions and maybe more than one person is curious as of the answer?? And your point would be??Don't read the message boards if you are making comments like this, heck you took the time to respond?? Go figure
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I always find these posts interesting... people asking questions on a message board but don't go right to the source... like making the phone call or even sending an email... Just looking to make an issue of something no matter what the topic is about...
Do you find them interesting because people are asking questions and maybe more than one person is curious as of the answer?? And your point would be??Don't read the message boards if you are making comments like this, heck you took the time to respond?? Go figure
Remember the OHVMR (Green Sticker money)? How much influence do we have there?? NONE!!!
BeachHead, I like your idea. It really wouldn't be that hard for them to do that. I approached Neil H last year at the Super Show and recommended something very similar to him. Jerry Seaver and FNG was with me. I suggest to Neil to make an appearance on our community of BB's every once in awhile, and FNG even told him that he could set up a forum for the BLM to post issues and/or just talk to the duning community. At the time, the BLM wasn't looked upon to friendly, and we thought it would be a great way to become familiar with what is on the minds of the duning communing and create good relations. He suggested people should just go to their site and get information from there. Yes, we could. However, I told him that just a presence would do wonders for relations, even if he came in and just posted a link. Jerry thought it was a good idea also, but Neil said he was far too busy and that if he could it would be very limited. FNG said that limited would be perfect. It was shunned off quickly by Neil, almost as if we were wasting his time. Maybe this time we can have something like that. Bob, I like your idea and the way you are thinking.
QUOTE(Sanduners @ Jul 14 2005, 11:00 AM)
I always find these posts interesting... people asking questions on a message board but don't go right to the source... like making the phone call or even sending an email... Just looking to make an issue of something no matter what the topic is about...
Here is a thought,,, join an organization (you decide), volunteer your extra time (how much time do you spend here a day???) and get the real answers to those questions you seek...
It really isn't all that hard you know...
For the ASA you can do it here:
ASA Volunteer Committees (you decide which one)
The other option is the one your doing now,,, posting assumptions and wasting valuable time...
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Just looking to make an issue of something no matter what the topic is about... Here is a thought,,, join an organization (you decide), volunteer your extra time (how much time do you spend here a day???) and get the real answers to those questions you seek...
It really isn't all that hard you know...
For the ASA you can do it here:
ASA Volunteer Committees (you decide which one)
The other option is the one your doing now,,, posting assumptions and wasting valuable time...
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Jim, I am a member of ASA, on July 7th I asked:
As we know, in a few days, off-road leaders will be in Washington at an off-road summit meeting. A lot can be done in Washington. Is there any where we can get an "agenda" for this summit? I have seen the letters for increased funding, and seen the great video that will be going as well, but Im wondering if there is an agenda for other topics, other meetings or what ever else might be going on.
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on the ASA website. To date, that question has not been addressed. Is that because I dont volunteer my time? Please dont tell me it's because the ASA people dont read the boards. I know they do.
QUOTE(tom simrak @ Jul 14 2005, 07:09 PM)
QUOTE(Sanduners @ Jul 14 2005, 11:00 AM)
I always find these posts interesting... people asking questions on a message board but don't go right to the source... like making the phone call or even sending an email... Just looking to make an issue of something no matter what the topic is about...
Here is a thought,,, join an organization (you decide), volunteer your extra time (how much time do you spend here a day???) and get the real answers to those questions you seek...
It really isn't all that hard you know...
For the ASA you can do it here:
ASA Volunteer Committees (you decide which one)
The other option is the one your doing now,,, posting assumptions and wasting valuable time...
[right][snapback]1068610[/snapback][/right]
Just looking to make an issue of something no matter what the topic is about... Here is a thought,,, join an organization (you decide), volunteer your extra time (how much time do you spend here a day???) and get the real answers to those questions you seek...
It really isn't all that hard you know...
For the ASA you can do it here:
ASA Volunteer Committees (you decide which one)
The other option is the one your doing now,,, posting assumptions and wasting valuable time...
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Jim, I am a member of ASA, on July 7th I asked:
As we know, in a few days, off-road leaders will be in Washington at an off-road summit meeting. A lot can be done in Washington. Is there any where we can get an "agenda" for this summit? I have seen the letters for increased funding, and seen the great video that will be going as well, but Im wondering if there is an agenda for other topics, other meetings or what ever else might be going on.
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on the ASA website. To date, that question has not been addressed. Is that because I dont volunteer my time? Please dont tell me it's because the ASA people dont read the boards. I know they do.
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Your on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know!
GO A$A!
GO A$A!GO A$A!
GO A$A!GO A$A!
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Your on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know!
Well I hope that didnt sound like I was poken at Jim because that was not my intent. If so, I apologize Jim.
My next question would have been more simple.
ASA has often said, we can get the info at the meeitngs because the BOD doesnt read the boards much. Ok. Thats fine.
But I know that seventeeeeeeeen thooooousand members dont attend the meetings, It is pretty much the same 15 or 20 people plus invited guest.
So somewhere around 16,980 people are left with no answers.
Then there is the newsletter, a great source of info...once a month, or once a quarter, how ever often it comes out...
So am I to understand that 16,980 people must wait for the newsletter for answers and hope their issue was addresed in the newsletter...Or 16980 people must make phone calls to get answers...pretty unrealistic and I might add a complete waste of the single best source for getting information out to the members, THIS BOARD.
But Im sure 17,000 informed members will still be claimed...or may 20,000 what ever it is.
I think a more appropriate number would be 20 or 30 informed members, and 16980, kinda fuzzy members. A complete waste of a fantastic media for getting the word out.
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