because you can't find a greenie board that's active, you conclude that greenies don't discuss issues?

that's about the level of conclusion I would expect from people whose recreation leaves long-lasting trails in nature, but call themselves "conservationists"!

Sounds more like totalitarianism then socialism:

totalitarianism:
Of, relating to, being, or imposing a form of government in which the political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing political and cultural expression is suppressed: “A totalitarian regime crushes all autonomous institutions in its drive to seize the human soul” (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.).

And I guess Off-road enthusiast' are the only one's that leave "long-lasting trails in nature".
Unlike urban development or even natural causes such as Hurricanes, typhoons, floods,natural fires (lightning)etc. This big blue marble has been around for quite some time, and I believe has seen some much more catastrophic events than we could possibly deal to it. But lets keep to the topic which is Glamis. Yes we call ourselves conservationists because we care about our environment . We organize and participate in clean ups, We discuss ways to teach those that have been raised by parents too afraid to teach their children respect of themselves and their surroundings to appreciate the beauty of the dunes. We do much more than sit around and squawk at nogooders, we get involved. And any organization that gets involved needs to communicate, we communicate through this board as well as others, discussing not only our political social agenda but also sharing the mutual love and respect we have for the small bit of land we are allowed to embrace. That is why it seems so strange that there is a total lack of discussion and the sharing of ideas from the "green " side.
The saying goes: "Misery loves company" so there again a surprising no show from the green agenda.
Whom I would imagine would love to share their pathetic boring "it's not that I care what you do to nature I just don't want anybody having fun when I'm so wretchedly miserable" lives.

The beliefs of these socialist organization's are absolutely frightening! They have no regard for private property rights. Those rights are the very foundation that our way of life is based on! Free speech and open dialog is squashed, in their place is the party line, SAVE A TREE, FUR IS MURDER, MEAT IS MURDER, BLA,BLA,BLA! What about the freedom this country was founded on? What about LIFE, LIBERTY, and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS?
I don't believe in the message of those groups, but I do believe in their right to have them! All I ask in return is the same, I have the right to live my life as I see fit, I have the right to liberty! And I have a right to try and live my life happily! What really gets me is the fact that these idiots don't understand why we get in such an uproar over the public land issue! First, it's our right to access our own land they want to remove. What's next? Is it our speech or religious rights? Let's say they win in the land access issue. Do you really think they will stop there? Or will they know what else is best FOR US! Worship this GOD, vote this way, only read these books! We stand on a slippery slope, if we don't make a stand right now, it will be a quick ride to the bottom! Are you willing to take that chance? I for one am not!

LIVE FREE OR DIE!

First of all, you have no credibility on this board or on any other that I am aware of. Just because YOU say it is private land doesn't mean a whole lot. Second, if the owners of that land wanted it closed, they would close it! Not everyone who is a land owner is a socialist member of "GREEN INC." and wants to eliminate people's freedom. Why don't you purchase some land, post it as a closed area and worry about that! As far as the rest of it is concerned MYOB!

LIVE FREE OR DIE!

Freedom of speech and ideas other than those acceptable to environmental philosophy are not tolerated in their community.

No way will they accept our involvement in a free open discussion in their bulletin boards.

If you don't like something change it. I thought with the repubs controlling the "#1 nation in the world" everthing will go your way. So why you worried bout "GREEN INC"? (whats up with that )


THE RED ELVISES, MAKING THEIR RETURN TO THE SOUTHLAND WITH THREE SHOW IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS

[ 11-18-2002, 11:51 PM: Message edited by: Mr.Red Elvises ]

Hey blu, I guess you don't understand the meaning of MYOB! So I'll ask again, When are YOU going to purchase some land and have it posted? That way your post here will mean something. Until then, butt-out! If these people have a problem, then let them and law enforcment take care of it! We don't need a little busy-body with a social cause fighting their battles! Go save a fly or something constructive like that! We're busy trying to save our way of life!

LIVE FREE OR DIE!

Oh I'm laughing sooo hard over here. What a bunch of nerds on that eco-nazi board. I was looking at their page stating what greenies as a whole support and some trekkie dork was saying how we need to have a "borg-free" world (meaning from what I could tell "anti commercial". These people are morons and should get the hell out of my "commercial oriented country" if they don't like it. Go somewhere and live in harmony with the birds and trees.

Blu, you are too funny...does this mean that you have found a topic that you are extremely sensitive about? does this mean that YOU are in fact one of those environmentalists? is that why you get so touchy in regards to this type of conversation???

Here is a "green" BBS I found.

Of course, be polite if you post there!

http://www.eces.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi

YAWN!!!!!!!! Like 20 subjects and only one with any responses(2). Yea, the greenies sure are into open discussion. Thank for trying King, I'm sure we'll find a greenie site one of theses days that is as open as our board is.

LIVE FREE OR DIE!

below are some references to riding on private lands.

The public may cross private lands to access public lands only when a public road or right-of-way (easement) for public access exists across the private lands. In the absence of such a right-of-way, the public has no right to cross private lands without first obtaining permission from the landowner. The landowner is under no obligation to grant such permission.
http://www.co.blm.gov/lsra/huntfaqs.htm

Get permission to travel across private land. Leave gates as you find them. Respect landowners rights. Future use depends on you.
http://www.asa4wdc.org/asa4wdc/trdlitly.html

It shall be unlawful to operate or for the owner to permit the operation of any type of motor-driven vehicles or conveyances, including but not limited to two-wheeled vehicles known as "minibikes,"... under the following circumstances:
On the private property of another person without the written permission of the owner or occupant of said property. Said written permission must be in the possession of the person operating the motor-driven vehicle and must be presented upon demand to any peace officer or police officer so demanding.
http://www.ogdenny.com/Town/Codes/vehicles2.htm

thats all well and good blu but it only applies if the land owner rufses access to his land. u got any proof of all ur pics of illegal riding on privet property that the owner said for them not to ride on it.

BlueShy has everyone in the palm of his/her hand. It has been obvious for months that Blue just likes the attention, and we keep responding back. Where are the environmentalists when it comes to our personal health and quality of life for us and our children today.

For every book, publication, news article, and research study, there will be an opposing opinion. What has happened over the years, is that a small group of "true" environmentalists has grown into a large political power of individuals that have their own agendas. Dig deep into the majority of these so-called environmentalists. Usually they have a personal gain that goes without notice by diverting attention away from our real problems that are environmentally related. i.e.: restrict growth to preserve land. Resulting in remaining land to skyrocket in price. Look away from water pollution, and the contamination of our water table. Results in a billion dollar business in water filter systems, and bottled water.

Today's most urgent concern, and fast becoming a risk that effects our life and health today and who knows about our own individual genetic structure. Current research is revealing some alarming finding on toxins within our own homes and workplace. Where are the environmentalists on this issue?

So what do we see, these so called ENVIRONMENTALISTS, that are going to save this earth by protecting a plant. It would be nice if they applied their efforts to a quality of life for at least the next 3-4 generations. Again, they are a group that has captured tremendous political power with diversion tactics to keep the REAL problems in the shadows. The old saying, "the squeakee wheel gets the grease," and up until recently has been the environmental group. Times are changing though. More and more individuals are getting tired of political corruption and bulls**t, and are getting involved politically. When it gets to the point the norm of our society squeaks louder than the environmentalists, just watch how the politicians will change their actions.

Definition of an environmentalist: The man/women who built their house on the mountain LAST YEAR

If these "environmentalists" really want to attack an environmental problem, why not focus on EXPORT and certain IMPORTS.

[QUOTE]Q: What's the difference between a developer and an environmentalist?
A: A developer wants to build a house in the woods. An environmentalist has a house in the woods.

I like yours better.

I understand your statement. Kinda like a "wet paint" sign. Can't help but touch it