I guess the admin of this bbs is embarrassed that off-roaders do this sort of thing and doesn't want anyone to see these photos.
http://www.netSnapShot.com/b?ACCOUNT=8641&KEY=0
Let's see how long this one will last
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I had a great post of photos of illegally created off-road play areas in California. Now I find that the post has been removed along with over 100 comments.
I guess the admin of this bbs is embarrassed that off-roaders do this sort of thing and doesn't want anyone to see these photos.
http://www.netSnapShot.com/b?ACCOUNT=8641&KEY=0
Let's see how long this one will last
I guess the admin of this bbs is embarrassed that off-roaders do this sort of thing and doesn't want anyone to see these photos.
http://www.netSnapShot.com/b?ACCOUNT=8641&KEY=0
Let's see how long this one will last
Maybe in the interest of freeing up all those electrons to do something more productive, like make a baby bird, color a Sierra sunset or power an electric car, the posts were put to bed?
Nah. More likely because the topic and discussion was spent. What was needed to be said was said, the intents of all parties involved were declared. Bandwidth freed up for another day.
Maybe it would help if you thought of the patch of electromagnetic surface was put back to it's pristine state, before the posts of man defiled it. You know, like, biodegradable data. Ahh, I feel better already!
Nah. More likely because the topic and discussion was spent. What was needed to be said was said, the intents of all parties involved were declared. Bandwidth freed up for another day.
Maybe it would help if you thought of the patch of electromagnetic surface was put back to it's pristine state, before the posts of man defiled it. You know, like, biodegradable data. Ahh, I feel better already!
Can you PROVE they were removed? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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or that they were illegal? ![[Disturbed]](graemlins/disturbed.gif)
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HEHEHEHEHE! You must be referring to the infamous Calimesa Photo's post! I WISH I knew what happened to it! Hey Blu, what to see a magic trick? POOF! BE GONE! ![[Burnout]](graemlins/burnout.gif)
Just messing with ya! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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or that they were illegal? HEHEHEHEHE! You must be referring to the infamous Calimesa Photo's post! I WISH I knew what happened to it! Hey Blu, what to see a magic trick? POOF! BE GONE! Just messing with ya! LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Omnivore, you owe me a new keyboard. I just spit out all my pepsi on this one after reading that post!
The post was not removed because of any rule breaking or to cover up the "BlueSky Agenda". Rather, I believe that as Omnivore so succinctly pointed out, it was removed to clear up bandwidth.
The post was not removed because of any rule breaking or to cover up the "BlueSky Agenda". Rather, I believe that as Omnivore so succinctly pointed out, it was removed to clear up bandwidth.
you know blu, aside from this mild, caring, environmentalist, i have never been bad, exterior that you are trying to play upon the world, why don't you stop with all this nonchalant charade that you got going on, and be reasonable....or shall i say...HUMAN....everyone does things, that he or she, sometimes can not account for, and there are other things that we do just to have a good time....that link, or pics or what ever it was, probably showed that people were having fun.....why are you trying to dampen the spirit of fun??? are you a prewd? do u not enjoy running free? going full throttle at speeds that you wouldn't dare do over the highways, and freeways?? to feel the wind whip your hair, sand thrown all over the place....things of that nature, cause the last time i checked??? there was no harm in doing that in that sand, we don't endanger animals, we enjoy the freedom with them....
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Originally posted by dezfan1:
Can you PROVE they were removed?
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Bluesky:
I had a GREAT post of photos of illegally created off-road play areas in California. Now I find that the post has been removed along with over 100 comments.
I guess the admin of this bbs is embarrassed that off-roaders do this sort of thing and doesn't want anyone to see these photos.
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Hold the presses!! "GREAT????" I missed that adjective on my first read. Me being a fair and impartial reader, I naturally do not search for hints of EGO in other posts. Stupidity..certainly. But pride is a more common failing and usually does not affect reason. Anyway, Pride is more a libido thing, than ego.
Why would Bluesky get all huffy over the surprise loss of his/her GREAT post? After all, posts do get old and fall off the edge of the bandwidth world. WAIT!!!! Libido!!! Sexual Urge??? My God, Bluesky is in love!!!
Soooo Blue ol' buddy, ol' pal...how about some details. I won't tell anyone. Did you take him/her/it out for a little tofu and mixed greens, some soy milk, sat through a Streisand double feature, a quiet drive home in the VW bus and then got to the door of your loft and she/he/it balked?
The old story about the macrame' framed Che prints didn't work this time? I know the Dylan LP's make you look old and Country Joe's Tie Dye blouse, thrown to the crowd on that rainy weekend in upstate New York, makes you look fat. So... you told him/her/it about that GREAT post, the one that was really LONG and stayed up FOREVER.
BAM!!! Up the stairs, bellbottoms down around both sets of ankles, as you feverishly fire up GD.com. (Don't feel bad, lots of us react this way to the site).
"Oh baby, just wait 'tilo you see what I can do!!! I was fighting them from every side, hot and sweaty from defending the world, and then I WHIPPED out my Calimesa picture, you know, the HUGE one with "No Trespass Signs", the really BIG one and they all shook with fear!!!
"AHHH, here's the environmental forum, I'll scroll down, oh yeah, I'll use the mouse on you later, WITHOUT THE PAD!!!! Any second now, it's gotta be here, OOOHHH NOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Topic interruptus.
So you sat , alone, by the light of your natural beewax candle and shot off your angry post. Dang, now that was Freudian.
I had a GREAT post of photos of illegally created off-road play areas in California. Now I find that the post has been removed along with over 100 comments.
I guess the admin of this bbs is embarrassed that off-roaders do this sort of thing and doesn't want anyone to see these photos.
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Hold the presses!! "GREAT????" I missed that adjective on my first read. Me being a fair and impartial reader, I naturally do not search for hints of EGO in other posts. Stupidity..certainly. But pride is a more common failing and usually does not affect reason. Anyway, Pride is more a libido thing, than ego.
Why would Bluesky get all huffy over the surprise loss of his/her GREAT post? After all, posts do get old and fall off the edge of the bandwidth world. WAIT!!!! Libido!!! Sexual Urge??? My God, Bluesky is in love!!!
Soooo Blue ol' buddy, ol' pal...how about some details. I won't tell anyone. Did you take him/her/it out for a little tofu and mixed greens, some soy milk, sat through a Streisand double feature, a quiet drive home in the VW bus and then got to the door of your loft and she/he/it balked?
The old story about the macrame' framed Che prints didn't work this time? I know the Dylan LP's make you look old and Country Joe's Tie Dye blouse, thrown to the crowd on that rainy weekend in upstate New York, makes you look fat. So... you told him/her/it about that GREAT post, the one that was really LONG and stayed up FOREVER.
BAM!!! Up the stairs, bellbottoms down around both sets of ankles, as you feverishly fire up GD.com. (Don't feel bad, lots of us react this way to the site).
"Oh baby, just wait 'tilo you see what I can do!!! I was fighting them from every side, hot and sweaty from defending the world, and then I WHIPPED out my Calimesa picture, you know, the HUGE one with "No Trespass Signs", the really BIG one and they all shook with fear!!!
"AHHH, here's the environmental forum, I'll scroll down, oh yeah, I'll use the mouse on you later, WITHOUT THE PAD!!!! Any second now, it's gotta be here, OOOHHH NOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Topic interruptus.
So you sat , alone, by the light of your natural beewax candle and shot off your angry post. Dang, now that was Freudian.
quote:Fireball--since you're a moderator maybe you can find out for sure why it was removed. Little bandwidth was used up as the photos are hosted at another site. Also, I don't see other posts being deleted. There were a lot of interesting comments made by off-roaders--BTW not one of which deplored the making of user-made hillclimbs. If you were an open-minded outsider reading the post and looking at the linked photos, you might have come to the conclusion that off-roaders are selfish nature-destroyers. I'm betting that's why it was removed. Is that consistent with the "open forum" nature of GD.com?
The post was not removed because of any rule breaking or to cover up the "BlueSky Agenda". Rather, I believe that as Omnivore so succinctly pointed out, it was removed to clear up bandwidth.
[ 11-23-2002, 06:43 AM: Message edited by: Bluesky ]
Chill Blu, have a granola beer and a smile and just be mellow. For whatever the reason the post was removed, it was still posted for quite a long time, the post stopped being interesting and fell out of favor. That being said, I find it offensive that you accuse this board that allows you to so freely express your point of view of censoring you! I asked on another thread for you to show us an environmental board that allows us the same freedom, no reply as usual from you Blu. So before you start whining about how GD.com is censoring you, YOU have better look in the mirror!
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what is so damn important of those photos blu??? you are just so eager to point out these photos to everyone, like they are extremely appaling or something....(not that your gonna answer me anyway right??? you haven't been able to strap on a pair of balls so far and answer me)
quote:the photos show proof of what I have been complaining about--user-made off-road areas in Limited Use areas. These are not in OPEN areas where OHVs can ride anywhere--what you see in the pics are new trails made on lands not set aside for OHV use.
what is so damn important of those photos blu???
This is the reason why the environmental community is after the off-roaders. Because this is a trend that is increasing. Of course, none of you who read this bbs would ever do something like this, yet you won't come down on the riders who made these illegal hillclimbs and tracks.
here's an article that presents some viewpoints that bear me out:
"Online archives from Imperial Valley Press
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November 15, 2002
Sierra Club rep says thoughtless public damages county’s deserts
By LAURA MITCHELL
Staff Writer
There are not as many off-road vehicles in Imperial County deserts outside the Imperial Sand Dunes, but the destruction they bring is just as great, conservationists say.
A tremendous amount of damage can be done in a single weekend, a single day, by a thoughtless public in the Western Colorado Desert area of the county, said Edie Harmon, Imperial County representative of the San Diego County chapter of the Sierra Club.
Archaeologist and Imperial Valley College Desert Museum Director Jay von Werlhof agreed, saying a Native American dance circle, carbon dated to be 2,700 years old, has been “just about trashed” within the last 30 years.
Harmon and von Werlhof spoke Thursday at a U.S Bureau of Land Management meeting scheduled to get public input on changes to desert routes of travel.
“The public needs to learn, unless there’s compliance, the areas need to be closed,” Harmon said.
BLM Ranger Bob Haggerty said the destruction is not caused by the off-road community as a whole.
“It’s just a handful of mostly kids that come out and party,” Haggerty said.
The damage is not from driving over a route, he said; the problem is willful destruction. The number of illegal routes is growing and there is other destruction such as people doing donuts and tearing an area to pieces, Haggerty said.
BLM Outdoor Recreation Planner Dallas Meeks said such people visit the desert to drink, go shooting and destroy an area, leaving behind trash and beer bottles.
“We’re not after the people who clean up after themselves and follow the rules, we’re after the people who don’t respect the rules,” Meeks said.
Haggerty said if people police themselves, as off-road groups are doing in the sand dunes, there would be no need for closures in other desert areas of the county.
Von Werlhof said more needs to be done to educate the public about the history of the area. He suggested the BLM put up more kiosks in camping and parking areas with literature and information.
>> Staff Writer Laura Mitchell can be reached at 337-3452 or lauramitchell9@yahoo.com
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bluesky:
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[quote]There are not as many off-road vehicles in Imperial County deserts outside the Imperial Sand Dunes, but the destruction they bring is just as great, conservationists say.[quote]
Since off road vehicles do no appreciable damage to the sands of Glamis, then I take this to mean that ATV's also do no appreciable damage to the outer lying deserts.
[Quote]Archaeologist and Imperial Valley College Desert Museum Director Jay von Werlhof agreed, saying a Native American dance circle, carbon dated to be 2,700 years old, has been “just about trashed” within the last 30 years.[quote]
I have problems believing that native americans were dancing in the coachella valley 700 years before Christ.
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[quote]There are not as many off-road vehicles in Imperial County deserts outside the Imperial Sand Dunes, but the destruction they bring is just as great, conservationists say.[quote]
Since off road vehicles do no appreciable damage to the sands of Glamis, then I take this to mean that ATV's also do no appreciable damage to the outer lying deserts.
[Quote]Archaeologist and Imperial Valley College Desert Museum Director Jay von Werlhof agreed, saying a Native American dance circle, carbon dated to be 2,700 years old, has been “just about trashed” within the last 30 years.[quote]
I have problems believing that native americans were dancing in the coachella valley 700 years before Christ.
well once again blu, you have posted something that can and will be used against you on this board.....not only does that article state that, (and i quote once again):
“It’s just a handful of mostly kids that come out and party,” Haggerty said.
“We’re not after the people who clean up after themselves and follow the rules, we’re after the people who don’t respect the rules,” Meeks said.
and that, is exactly what we do when ever we go out to the dunes....and IF you were to come out with us, on any given occasion, you just might see that we do, in fact, pick up after ourselves...hell, gd.com has even organized an event for cleanup in the dunes, so riddle me this once again....why is it that you "TRY" and hound after everyone and all of us here on gd.com?
and just so you know, that is a question that you need to answer, complete with question mark at the end, so your not "confused", or try to say that there isn't a question somewhere in there!![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
“It’s just a handful of mostly kids that come out and party,” Haggerty said.
“We’re not after the people who clean up after themselves and follow the rules, we’re after the people who don’t respect the rules,” Meeks said.
and that, is exactly what we do when ever we go out to the dunes....and IF you were to come out with us, on any given occasion, you just might see that we do, in fact, pick up after ourselves...hell, gd.com has even organized an event for cleanup in the dunes, so riddle me this once again....why is it that you "TRY" and hound after everyone and all of us here on gd.com?
and just so you know, that is a question that you need to answer, complete with question mark at the end, so your not "confused", or try to say that there isn't a question somewhere in there!
By Blu,
(November 13, 2002 7:31 P.M. off road vehicles out of control - Bluesky Sep 3, 2002 01:38 am
Hi
just surfing around looking for allies in my one-man resistance to off-road vehicle abuse in critical habitat areas of the Mojave Desert in CA. I have met some fine folks at the Center for Biological Diversity and Sierra Club and PEER.)
This is the reason Blu is crying. As I told you before Blu and hate to bust your bubble. The photo's you stopped and broke the law and put people at risk at on the side of the freeway, that is private property you took photo's of. I new the owner before he past away. His gran kids and freinds ride there all the time. Also there use to be a legal riding area before a housing develement moved in. Sure would be nice if you and the rest of your kind would get the facts straight and be able to tell the truth when you spill your junk trying to make good people look bad.
I wander if you and your kind ever heard the saying (NEVER CRY WOLF)??????????????
(November 13, 2002 7:31 P.M. off road vehicles out of control - Bluesky Sep 3, 2002 01:38 am
Hi
just surfing around looking for allies in my one-man resistance to off-road vehicle abuse in critical habitat areas of the Mojave Desert in CA. I have met some fine folks at the Center for Biological Diversity and Sierra Club and PEER.)
This is the reason Blu is crying. As I told you before Blu and hate to bust your bubble. The photo's you stopped and broke the law and put people at risk at on the side of the freeway, that is private property you took photo's of. I new the owner before he past away. His gran kids and freinds ride there all the time. Also there use to be a legal riding area before a housing develement moved in. Sure would be nice if you and the rest of your kind would get the facts straight and be able to tell the truth when you spill your junk trying to make good people look bad.
I wander if you and your kind ever heard the saying (NEVER CRY WOLF)??????????????
quote:How many acres did your friend own? are there markers at the boundaries of the property? How do you know where his property lies? Did you make a trail over the property of others to get to his parcel? Did you have their permission?
that is private property you took photo's of. I new the owner before he past away. His gran kids and freinds ride there all the time
Not to change the subjct Blu, but what is that picture on your posts?
You dont get to ask questions Blueface!
Just answer Them
Just answer Them
you know blu...that was in poor taste!!!! you get caught red handed in something that you knew nothing about....and then have the audacity to turn it around.....that isn't even worthy of a humorous remark....you just plain don't get it do you...in the words that have been spoken to you before...... BUSTED !!!!!!!! ![[Face Lick]](graemlins/facelick.gif)
Time for a reminder
IGNORE BLUE………. PLEASE DON’T FEED HIS/HER EGO.
IGNORE BLUE………. PLEASE DON’T FEED HIS/HER EGO.
To anwser you again. My freind has somewhere around 2000 acers and his family still own what hasn't been sold. There is a fence around the ranch , that for most who are smart enough knows that is a boundry. If you look at your photo real close I think you can see part of the fence.
I don't recall having to get permision to drive on a county road.
You as always try to turn it all around. You been learning from Danny boy I guess. Well that is all the time I am willing to waste on you.
I don't recall having to get permision to drive on a county road.
You as always try to turn it all around. You been learning from Danny boy I guess. Well that is all the time I am willing to waste on you.
Sorry Ocean1, can't let this one go!
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quote:Blu, find any info for me get?
That being said, I find it offensive that you accuse this board that allows you to so freely express your point of view of censoring you! I asked on another thread for you to show us an environmental board that allows us the same freedom, no reply as usual from you Blu. So before you start whining about how GD.com is censoring you, YOU have better look in the mirror!
quote:What PROOF do you speak of? Please read next quote!
the photos show proof of what I have been complaining about
quote:Blu, do you know how many acres they owned? How do you know that the property isn't marked? Do you know where the boundaries of that PRIVATE PROPERTY(hence, NONE of your business)lie? If not, then you have no right to ask any of those questions! Why you ask? Because NONE of the area we are talking about belong's to YOU! you can not DEMAND to know if they owned the land, had permission to use the land or anything else until YOU can PROVE otherwise! it's a two way street Blu! If you can't or won't provide PROOF, then why should we? That sounds like a double standard to me! Can you say HYPOCRITE?!!!
As I told you before Blu and hate to bust your bubble. The photo's you stopped and broke the law and put people at risk at on the side of the freeway, that is private property you took photo's of. I new the owner before he past away. His grand kids and friends ride there all the time
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I grew up in that area and those trails have been there a very long time. Nobody cares that they're there.
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Rob
Have a cold one and chill out.
Rob
what area are you talking about Genghis? there are 4 areas in the link and Rooster claims that he knows the owner of the land depicted in the Tehachapi area.
Your friend owned 2000 acres huh? That would make him probably the owner of the largest parcel in the tri county area. Frankly I don't believe you, rooster, what was the guy's name? Also, the roads to the hillclimb site are not county roads as you imply but just OHV roads made helter skelter accross vacant land.
Most hillclimbs are made by kids ( and adults) out riding. They make these trails without permission. Is this right?
Your friend owned 2000 acres huh? That would make him probably the owner of the largest parcel in the tri county area. Frankly I don't believe you, rooster, what was the guy's name? Also, the roads to the hillclimb site are not county roads as you imply but just OHV roads made helter skelter accross vacant land.
Most hillclimbs are made by kids ( and adults) out riding. They make these trails without permission. Is this right?
The only thing those photos prove is that you are an overly obsessive psychopath that has focused on offroad recreationalists as your "nemisis".
Hopefully, soon, you will shift to black helicoptors or the CIA.
Hopefully, soon, you will shift to black helicoptors or the CIA.
The photo's I'm talking about is the Calamesa ones on the 10 east on the south side. I don't care if you beleave me or not. No one beleaves you any way. His name, you don't diserve to know it and he never liked your kind anyway.
You would turn it around as you do. Your pea of a brain only knows one thing. At least I don't have to hide like you. You will get no more from me cause there is no need. I found it funny on your greeny usa board even your own kind are tired of your B.S.
You would turn it around as you do. Your pea of a brain only knows one thing. At least I don't have to hide like you. You will get no more from me cause there is no need. I found it funny on your greeny usa board even your own kind are tired of your B.S.
this is the area that one family and their friends made? One family owns 2000 acres? There was a legal riding area near here?
Can you prove any of these assertions?
All I see is an illegally created rogue off-road area. Notice the No Trespassing Sign.
[ 11-25-2002, 06:50 AM: Message edited by: Bluesky ]
There he goes with that "Rogue term again" LOL!
In my best Larry King voice:
ANSWER THE QUESTION!
In my best Larry King voice:
ANSWER THE QUESTION!
DUCK DUCK BLU, At least he's consistant, still ducking the question and placing the burdon of proof on the OHV community! Same ol' hypocrite we have grown to know and dis-like! ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
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LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Blue can you PROVE that you don't have obsessive-compulsive disorder? And don't tell me that your therapist say that you don't. YOU PAY your therapist, don't you? Well, how can we expect an objective diagnosis from someone YOU PAID with Blu money?
Ain't nothin been removed from da board...Da original topic starter could have removed it...
Bahh, same ole same ole. A few off roaders did something illegal so they want to take away the fun for every single off roader. "Take away the motorcycles or ALL THE OHV land and all the illegal activity will stop." What about the criminals and guns? I know a lot of activists are against paintball because a few people went out there and shot some innocents, so they think they should just remove the paintballs guns from society and that'll stop the problems. Oh, when I hiked Italy Pass at 12,000 feet and went up Hilgar at 13,000 feet, there were foot trails because so many hike the same trail. TAKE AWAY HIKING BOOTS AND BACKPACKS AND CANTEENS AND TENTS AND THAT WILL STOP THE DESTRUCTION OF NATURE!!! Excuse me while I go puke.
quote:check it out Slappy--I was the original poster and I didn't remove it.
Ain't nothin been removed from da board...Da original topic starter could have removed it...
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Slap gonna check it out Blue...
DIE DIE DIE DIE ANTI-RECREATIONAL SCUM!
Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more.
Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more.
Blu, Blu, Blu...
As I sit here again amd read more of your crap, I am amazed that you still write this stuff. You once again make the claim that these trails or whatever you choose to call them were made illegally. Do you know who made them? Do you know how they were made? Do you know when? Do you know why?
Of course you don't
You do however assume to know these answers. I admit, as you should, to not know the answers.
But without a schred off evidence to show otherwise, and of course NO COMPLAINTS from the property owner(that WE know of) we must believe there was no crime. It may be private property, they may have been drunken bikers out raping the land. It also may have been the property owner enjoying a weekend or many weekends with his family.
Point is, you just dont know so stop your complaining until you know the answer.
[ 12-01-2002, 02:39 PM: Message edited by: Tom Simrak ]
As I sit here again amd read more of your crap, I am amazed that you still write this stuff. You once again make the claim that these trails or whatever you choose to call them were made illegally. Do you know who made them? Do you know how they were made? Do you know when? Do you know why?
Of course you don't
You do however assume to know these answers. I admit, as you should, to not know the answers.
But without a schred off evidence to show otherwise, and of course NO COMPLAINTS from the property owner(that WE know of) we must believe there was no crime. It may be private property, they may have been drunken bikers out raping the land. It also may have been the property owner enjoying a weekend or many weekends with his family.
Point is, you just dont know so stop your complaining until you know the answer.
[ 12-01-2002, 02:39 PM: Message edited by: Tom Simrak ]
Ok Blu one question, did you pick up that bottle and tire for proper disposal or are you wating for a group of concerned off-roader's to do it.
You Know, the one's that are really concerned in protecting the envi they enjoy!
Sorry,
You Know, the one's that are really concerned in protecting the envi they enjoy!
Sorry,
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, just back from Mother G! Can you say AWESOME! Had a great time and really enjoyed myself! I see the Bluzer is still whining about his friggin pictures! They're gone Blu, deal with it, and get on with your life already!
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Blu,
The NO TRESPASSING signs could be for your kind as far as you know, not OHVers. It should say "NO TRESPASSING UNLESS YOUR ARE RIDING AN OHV"
The NO TRESPASSING signs could have been put up by the OHV riding land owner to keep others OHVers from enjoying his sweet riding area.
Bottom line is you don't know S H I T !!!!!!!!
So shut your friggin' pie hole dickhead!
The NO TRESPASSING signs could be for your kind as far as you know, not OHVers. It should say "NO TRESPASSING UNLESS YOUR ARE RIDING AN OHV"
The NO TRESPASSING signs could have been put up by the OHV riding land owner to keep others OHVers from enjoying his sweet riding area.
Bottom line is you don't know S H I T !!!!!!!!
So shut your friggin' pie hole dickhead!
This is kinda way off the subject but i have to get this off my chest.
I have to agree with Loki. Were human and sometimes we do some stupid things.
Yes, that means even you: Bluesky, can do something stupid.
Can't you see that not all of us are here to trash the world. You can't correct an action until its recognised as wrong, but I think your going about it in the wrong way . You cant have everything YOUR way. Just because you don't enjoy what someone else enjoys do you have the right to take it away? I don't enjoy your opinions but i put up with it because they are your opinions. Just some thoughts.
I have to agree with Loki. Were human and sometimes we do some stupid things.
Yes, that means even you: Bluesky, can do something stupid.
Can't you see that not all of us are here to trash the world. You can't correct an action until its recognised as wrong, but I think your going about it in the wrong way . You cant have everything YOUR way. Just because you don't enjoy what someone else enjoys do you have the right to take it away? I don't enjoy your opinions but i put up with it because they are your opinions. Just some thoughts.
i'd just like to say the sign says "no tresspassing" not a no ohv area ![[Skull]](graemlins/skull.gif)
in regards to those signs that say no trespassing.....i think someone might have painted over them, and they should have stated....
NO TRESPASSING FOR ENVIRONMENTALISTS!
just trying to throw a little humor on this topic......
NO TRESPASSING FOR ENVIRONMENTALISTS!
just trying to throw a little humor on this topic......
Just some Info for your thoughts!!!!!
It's very common for an owner that hasn't developed or fenced privatley owned property post a No Trespassing sign for legality reasons. It's done so that if someone steps on private property that is not fenced, and they happen to get hurt, they can't turn around and sue the owner. ie: Children playing out in a field and fall into a hole or ditch and get hurt they can't sue because of the No Trespassing sign. what a concept.
It's very common for an owner that hasn't developed or fenced privatley owned property post a No Trespassing sign for legality reasons. It's done so that if someone steps on private property that is not fenced, and they happen to get hurt, they can't turn around and sue the owner. ie: Children playing out in a field and fall into a hole or ditch and get hurt they can't sue because of the No Trespassing sign.
what a concept.
what a yucky concept....... well, i guess that is how the legal system goes huh??
well, i guess that is how the legal system goes huh??
here's a news story from a few years back that gives info about illegal OHV riding near Calimesa.
http://www.nonoise.org/news/1999/feb28.htm...ment%20of%20Noi se%20Ordinance
http://www.nonoise.org/news/1999/feb28.htm...ment%20of%20Noi se%20Ordinance
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Calif. Town Considers Off-Road Vehicle Ordinance; Meanwhile, Posts City Property and Increases Enforcement of Noise Ordinance
PUBLICATION: The Press-Enterprise (Riverside, CA)
DATE: March 2, 1999
SECTION: Local; Pg. B01
BYLINE: Jeremy Berzon
DATELINE: Calimesa, California
The Press-Enterprise reports the City Council in Calimesa, California, is considering adopting an off-road vehicle ordinance in response to residents' complaints of noise and other related disturbances.
According to the article, off-road vehicles increasingly are becoming a nuisance, property owners in Calimesa say. City officials say that more and more off-road enthusiasts have been riding their two-, three- and four-wheeled vehicles on the hilly terrain in the southeastern part of town. "If we don't do something to control it, it will get worse," said Mayor Greg Schook. The Calimesa City Council requested Monday that city staff at a future meeting review the off-road vehicle ordinance in neighboring Yucaipa.
The article states Schook said off-road vehicles used to ride on his 16-acre property until he began shutting the gates a couple of years ago. Last month, Schook said, he heard a number of off-road vehicles riding on land about a quarter-mile from his home. He said he saw about 30 people, children and adults, on various types of vehicles. The drivers all left when he asked them to, Schook said. He said he has received numerous complaints about the vehicles from residents, which are not only noisy but cause soil erosion cause liability problems for landowners. "I have a real problem living in a rural area and having an off-road vehicle track across from me," he said. Susan Perisits, one of the owners of the Perisits Egg Farm on County Line Road, said off-road vehicle drivers have long used her 250 acres but recently the problem has gotten worse. "It's reached the saturation point," she said. A number of the drivers, Perisits said, have recently been getting too close to a building that houses baby chickens. The noise has scared the chicks, causing them to get too close to each other and suffocate, she said.
The article reports City Manager Alan Kapanicas told the council Monday that Calimesa soon will begin posting signs on city property that say off-road vehicles are not permitted. A city ordinance bans off-road vehicles on city property. Kapanicas said enforcement of city noise and trespassing laws will be stepped up. Fines can be imposed for offenses. The noise from most off-road vehicles, he said, exceeds city standards. City officials believe off-road vehicle use has increased in Calimesa because neighboring cities have made efforts to eliminate it.
According to the article, about two years ago, Yucaipa passed a city ordinance that prohibited the use of off-road vehicles within 200 yards of homes, businesses and other structures. Yucaipa Community Development Director John McMains said the tougher code virtually eliminated any place where the vehicles could be used. "We don't get nearly the amount of complaints that we used to," McMains said. Stacey Blodgett, a Yucaipa resident who owns Blodgett's Bug Barn in San Bernardino which sells several different kinds of off-road vehicles, said the area where people are using the vehicles in Calimesa is popular with off-road users because it provides challenging climbs and good jumps. Blodgett said he can understand why homeowners don't want the vehicles on their property. Off-road vehicle drivers, he said, can buy a permit to use an area near Mill Creek Road and Bryant Street in unincorporated San Bernardino County.
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here's a news story from a few years back
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Sorry... In poor taste, but hey, some people are actually worse than us OHVers...
RoostKing...
..Sorry... In poor taste, but hey, some people are actually worse than us OHVers...
RoostKing...
here's an article about the "ribcage" in Hesperia. Looks like it's private property and OHVers are not welcome.
http://www.vvdailypress.com/cgi-bin/newspr...043510063,12549,
Saturday, January 25, 2003
Deputies hope to educate off-roaders
By SCOTT VANHORNE/Staff Writer
HESPERIA — An area off-roaders call the “Rib Cage” because of the grooves motorcycles and quads have etched into the sloped banks of the Oro Grande Wash draws hundreds of riders to the desert every weekend.
But the off-road hot spot, like several other locations in the High Desert, is not a legal place to ride.
Getting that message to the cyclists, many of whom come from Los Angeles and Orange counties, can be a daunting task, but deputies hope posting public service announcements in magazines such as Cycle News, a 40,000-circulation national publication for off-road enthusiasts, may be part of the solution.
“There are a lot of families who probably just don’t know any better,” San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Detective Shannon Dicus said. “A lot of them say they’ve been going to this same spot for 20 years.”
Cycle News Editor Paul Carruthers said he would lend some space in the magazine to let his readers know where they can and cannot ride in the desert.
“I’d rather tell people than let them get in trouble,” he said.
Recently, deputies flanked by Bureau of Land Management and U.S. Forest Service rangers contacted about a hundred riders in the “rib cage” to tell them the spot is on private property and is off-limits.
Deputies cited people for unregistered off-road vehicles and those driving without spark arresters.
Deputies also informed everyone about legal places to ride and even handed out maps to spots such as Stoddard Valley, Johnson Valley, El Mirage Dry Lake and U.S. Forest Service motorcycle trails, Dicus said.
Many off-limits spots are marked with no-trespassing signs, but about as soon as the signs are posted, they disappear, Sgt. Mike McCarville said.
“It’s something that we are dealing with constantly,” he said.
Dicus said riders can expect to see deputies at other illegal off-road spots such as Honda Valley in Hesperia as officers continue to inform people about the right places to ride.
Scott Vanhorne can be reached at scott_vanhorne@link.freedom.com or at 951-6276.
is calimesa next?
http://www.vvdailypress.com/cgi-bin/newspr...043510063,12549,
Saturday, January 25, 2003
Deputies hope to educate off-roaders
By SCOTT VANHORNE/Staff Writer
HESPERIA — An area off-roaders call the “Rib Cage” because of the grooves motorcycles and quads have etched into the sloped banks of the Oro Grande Wash draws hundreds of riders to the desert every weekend.
But the off-road hot spot, like several other locations in the High Desert, is not a legal place to ride.
Getting that message to the cyclists, many of whom come from Los Angeles and Orange counties, can be a daunting task, but deputies hope posting public service announcements in magazines such as Cycle News, a 40,000-circulation national publication for off-road enthusiasts, may be part of the solution.
“There are a lot of families who probably just don’t know any better,” San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Detective Shannon Dicus said. “A lot of them say they’ve been going to this same spot for 20 years.”
Cycle News Editor Paul Carruthers said he would lend some space in the magazine to let his readers know where they can and cannot ride in the desert.
“I’d rather tell people than let them get in trouble,” he said.
Recently, deputies flanked by Bureau of Land Management and U.S. Forest Service rangers contacted about a hundred riders in the “rib cage” to tell them the spot is on private property and is off-limits.
Deputies cited people for unregistered off-road vehicles and those driving without spark arresters.
Deputies also informed everyone about legal places to ride and even handed out maps to spots such as Stoddard Valley, Johnson Valley, El Mirage Dry Lake and U.S. Forest Service motorcycle trails, Dicus said.
Many off-limits spots are marked with no-trespassing signs, but about as soon as the signs are posted, they disappear, Sgt. Mike McCarville said.
“It’s something that we are dealing with constantly,” he said.
Dicus said riders can expect to see deputies at other illegal off-road spots such as Honda Valley in Hesperia as officers continue to inform people about the right places to ride.
Scott Vanhorne can be reached at scott_vanhorne@link.freedom.com or at 951-6276.
is calimesa next?
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