......how / why is this T.C. with stick shift being used?.....
Full Version: Torque Converter W/stick Shift.....
I thought T.C. went with an auto tranny... ......
how / why is this T.C. with stick shift being used?.....
......how / why is this T.C. with stick shift being used?.....
Helps control the shock load to the transmission becuase it is not a "direct" connect like a clutch.
Basically a different bellhousing has been developed as well as input shaft. Replaces the clutch.
Basically a different bellhousing has been developed as well as input shaft. Replaces the clutch.
QUOTE(bfs @ Jul 30 2005, 07:15 AM)
Helps control the shock load to the transmission becuase it is not a "direct" connect like a clutch.
Basically a different bellhousing has been developed as well as input shaft. Replaces the clutch.
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Basically a different bellhousing has been developed as well as input shaft. Replaces the clutch.
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i like TC`s
after we started offering TC/ manual TH trans in our cars NOBODY ever asked for a manual/ clutch again.
"walking up" steep ramps and parking your car in the trailer has never been so easy
the TC removes shock loads (you can shift gears without lifting the throttle... even on a big block
)the downside is heat; even our ultra tight and low stall speed 10" race TC produces lots of heat when you drive agressiv (is there a other way to drive
). we run 12 quarts of ATF and a cooler/ fan on the cars.
Is there a lag in throttle response, is the clutch eliminated?
You can do it either way, I had a forklift that had a clutch bolted to a torque converter and you could either push in the clutch or use the torque converter. It
was connected to a stick shift trany so you had to use the clutch to shift from gear to gear. You know how a torque converter works it is not as postive as a clutch. In
offroad I think they are using it to take the shock of the tire on and off the road.
LATER DON~~~
was connected to a stick shift trany so you had to use the clutch to shift from gear to gear. You know how a torque converter works it is not as postive as a clutch. In
offroad I think they are using it to take the shock of the tire on and off the road.
LATER DON~~~
I have build and driven many of these and they are the way to go, without a doubt. Without getting too in depth, the converter replaces the clutch, it has its own fluid separate from the gear oil, it can run a stall speed similar to hot rod street car so your responce is instant and you can tune this around your motor's torque curve, a dog gear trans must be used so you can shift by fluttering the gas while adding pressure to the shifter and thats that. How do you get it in gear while sitting still? No prob, just push slightly on the shifter and it will fall in very smoothly and off you go in what ever gear you choose. The advantage is that the converter acts as a sponge between the motor and trans and cvs so the shock loads these parts see is seriously dropped and that extends the life of all of them. A simple oil cooler in the system takes care of any heat issues but since there is no valve body or clutch packs for the converter fluid to run through like an ordinary auto trans the fluid can run as high as 600 deg without hurting anything in the converter. Heat isn't an issue with a cooler in line. Justin.
Do you have any pictures? 
QUOTE(revenge @ Jul 30 2005, 10:25 AM)
I have build and driven many of these and they are the way to go, without a doubt. Without getting too in depth, the converter replaces the clutch, it has its own fluid separate from the gear oil, it can run a stall speed similar to hot rod street car so your responce is instant and you can tune this around your motor's torque curve, a dog gear trans must be used so you can shift by fluttering the gas while adding pressure to the shifter and thats that. How do you get it in gear while sitting still? No prob, just push slightly on the shifter and it will fall in very smoothly and off you go in what ever gear you choose. The advantage is that the converter acts as a sponge between the motor and trans and cvs so the shock loads these parts see is seriously dropped and that extends the life of all of them. A simple oil cooler in the system takes care of any heat issues but since there is no valve body or clutch packs for the converter fluid to run through like an ordinary auto trans the fluid can run as high as 600 deg without hurting anything in the converter. Heat isn't an issue with a cooler in line. Justin.
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Thanks for info....man ...I am so obsolete it is not funny.....
like don says "got photos?"
like don says "got photos?"
QUOTE(duneflyer @ Jul 30 2005, 08:57 AM)
Is there a lag in throttle response, is the clutch eliminated?
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Pat
it depends on the TC "valving" . the setup we use is ultra tight: there is no lag at all
Invented in the 1940s...
Is this what volkswagon used in their "autoclutch" transmissions?
QUOTE(Fireballsocal @ Jul 30 2005, 07:44 PM)
Is this what volkswagon used in their "autoclutch" transmissions?
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Yup
(Close anyway. The clutch was vacuum operated I think)
Plymouth and Dodge had this in the 40s...
QUOTE(revenge @ Jul 30 2005, 09:25 AM)
I have build and driven many of these and they are the way to go, without a doubt. Without getting too in depth, the converter replaces the clutch, it has its own fluid separate from the gear oil, it can run a stall speed similar to hot rod street car so your responce is instant and you can tune this around your motor's torque curve, a dog gear trans must be used so you can shift by fluttering the gas while adding pressure to the shifter and thats that. How do you get it in gear while sitting still? No prob, just push slightly on the shifter and it will fall in very smoothly and off you go in what ever gear you choose. The advantage is that the converter acts as a sponge between the motor and trans and cvs so the shock loads these parts see is seriously dropped and that extends the life of all of them. A simple oil cooler in the system takes care of any heat issues but since there is no valve body or clutch packs for the converter fluid to run through like an ordinary auto trans the fluid can run as high as 600 deg without hurting anything in the converter. Heat isn't an issue with a cooler in line. Justin.
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Is this for the Fortin only?
I have heard that there may be one in the works for the S-4/S-5 Mendi. Does anyone have any facts on this?
QUOTE(Baja @ Jul 31 2005, 09:43 AM)
I have heard that there may be one in the works for the S-4/S-5 Mendi. Does anyone have any facts on this?
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I wouldn't call these straight facts but I know that it has been in the works for some time now. Weather it got shelved or not I don't know.
I believe TCS and/or Porter were doing the work on it.
Should have been done back in April so I'm guessing it is close now.
Jamie Campbell at Penhall was working on it for the Class 1 car he put together.
The other more recent rumor I have heared of was that Mendi had a bell housing to go directly to LS based block.
Anyone know any details on that???
QUOTE(bfs @ Jul 31 2005, 11:00 AM)
QUOTE(Baja @ Jul 31 2005, 09:43 AM)
I have heard that there may be one in the works for the S-4/S-5 Mendi. Does anyone have any facts on this?
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I wouldn't call these straight facts but I know that it has been in the works for some time now. Weather it got shelved or not I don't know.
I believe TCS and/or Porter were doing the work on it.
Should have been done back in April so I'm guessing it is close now.
Jamie Campbell at Penhall was working on it for the Class 1 car he put together.
The other more recent rumor I have heared of was that Mendi had a bell housing to go directly to LS based block.
Anyone know any details on that???
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I have heard about the Ls1 bellhousing thing, but I dont know anything as far as facts go. It would be nice to have that larger bellhousing to fit a large TC
QUOTE(Baja @ Jul 31 2005, 11:38 AM)
QUOTE(bfs @ Jul 31 2005, 11:00 AM)
QUOTE(Baja @ Jul 31 2005, 09:43 AM)
I have heard that there may be one in the works for the S-4/S-5 Mendi. Does anyone have any facts on this?
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I wouldn't call these straight facts but I know that it has been in the works for some time now. Weather it got shelved or not I don't know.
I believe TCS and/or Porter were doing the work on it.
Should have been done back in April so I'm guessing it is close now.
Jamie Campbell at Penhall was working on it for the Class 1 car he put together.
The other more recent rumor I have heared of was that Mendi had a bell housing to go directly to LS based block.
Anyone know any details on that???
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I have heard about the Ls1 bellhousing thing, but I dont know anything as far as facts go. It would be nice to have that larger bellhousing to fit a large TC
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This would also mean you could use a larger flywheel, clutch and pressure plate too, right?... Or is this just for the T/C models?
I dont see why you couldnt also use a chevy size clutch as well.
Yea, I think the idea with the S4 bellhousing direct to an LS is to use a larger clutch and to make the hook-up w/o an adapter plate.
Funny cars use to use the oppsite idea in the early days, it was called a clutch flight, a clutch hooked to a torqueflite transmision. I wonder what ever happened to the torqueflites, when they were using them in funnycars they were the strongest automatic trans made.
LATER DON~~~
LATER DON~~~
QUOTE(revenge @ Jul 30 2005, 09:25 AM)
I have build and driven many of these and they are the way to go, without a doubt. Without getting too in depth, the converter replaces the clutch, it has its own fluid separate from the gear oil, it can run a stall speed similar to hot rod street car so your responce is instant and you can tune this around your motor's torque curve, a dog gear trans must be used so you can shift by fluttering the gas while adding pressure to the shifter and thats that. How do you get it in gear while sitting still? No prob, just push slightly on the shifter and it will fall in very smoothly and off you go in what ever gear you choose. The advantage is that the converter acts as a sponge between the motor and trans and cvs so the shock loads these parts see is seriously dropped and that extends the life of all of them. A simple oil cooler in the system takes care of any heat issues but since there is no valve body or clutch packs for the converter fluid to run through like an ordinary auto trans the fluid can run as high as 600 deg without hurting anything in the converter. Heat isn't an issue with a cooler in line. Justin.
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600 degree tranny fluid (even synthetic) WILL be an issue. High temps cook the lubricants out of the fluid, and parts WILL die. Even a torque convertor has a few parts in it (bushings) that much have proper lubrication. been there killed one
If anyone is interested I have a brand new Fortin/Converter setup on my shelf that I do not plan on using It includes everything needed including pump. 16,000 will take it.
QUOTE(dunebuggy.com @ Jul 31 2005, 08:34 PM)
If anyone is interested I have a brand new Fortin/Converter setup on my shelf that I do not plan on using It includes everything needed including pump. 16,000 will take it.
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Hey Chuck. I'm interested. Email me when you can. extremesandcars@sbcglobal.net
QUOTE(Xtreme Motorsports @ Jul 31 2005, 08:45 PM)
QUOTE(dunebuggy.com @ Jul 31 2005, 08:34 PM)
If anyone is interested I have a brand new Fortin/Converter setup on my shelf that I do not plan on using It includes everything needed including pump. 16,000 will take it.
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Hey Chuck. I'm interested. Email me when you can. extremesandcars@sbcglobal.net
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Hi Alan..
Just give us a call at the shop.
QUOTE(SUBIE4ME @ Jul 31 2005, 08:24 PM)
QUOTE(revenge @ Jul 30 2005, 09:25 AM)
A simple oil cooler in the system takes care of any heat issues but since there is no valve body or clutch packs for the converter fluid to run through like an ordinary auto trans the fluid can run as high as 600 deg without hurting anything in the converter. Heat isn't an issue with a cooler in line. Justin.
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600 degree tranny fluid (even synthetic) WILL be an issue. High temps cook the lubricants out of the fluid, and parts WILL die. Even a torque convertor has a few parts in it (bushings) that much have proper lubrication. been there killed one
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I would think that with a flash temp lower than 600 deg F. That temp would be an issue. Dexron 4 and 5 flash around 410. Then boom.
* (Dexron/Mercon 3 actually say 395.6.) Valvoline Maxlife semi-synthetic spec.
Carl
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