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Quicksand
Before this thread about racks gets derailed, let me reiterate that my question is regarding Power Steering!

Can somebody please explain the difference and pros/cons between a wide-spread rack and a standard rack? It would appear that the wide-spread rack simply has a bracket on the front of it allowing you to locate your steering tie rods anywhere along that bracket. Couldn't you fabricate a bracket specific to your steering geometry and attach it to a standard rack in the same manner? It seems as if this is what most people would need to do anyway. What am I missing?

I apologize if this has been answered before but I am having troubles with the forum search engine returning fatal errors due to timeout.
fusionoffroad
QUOTE(Quicksand @ Nov 2 2005, 09:06 AM)
Before this thread about racks gets derailed, let me reiterate that my question is regarding Power Steering!

Can somebody please explain the difference and pros/cons between a wide-spread rack and a standard rack?  It would appear that the wide-spread rack simply has a bracket on the front of it allowing you to locate your steering tie rods anywhere along that bracket.  Couldn't you fabricate a bracket specific to your steering geometry and attach it to a standard rack in the same manner?  It seems as if this is what most people would need to do anyway.  What am I missing?

I apologize if this has been answered before but I am having troubles with the forum search engine returning fatal errors due to timeout.
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I don't see why not . You should be able to make a billet mount. That's not a bad idea I might try that on my cars I will look into it.
Carl P
Yes. You can make it custom to your particular needs. The center mount racks were generally for VW beam style stuff still in use.

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Quicksand
QUOTE(Carl P @ Nov 2 2005, 10:49 AM)
The center mount racks were generally for VW beam style stuff still in use.

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Thanks Carl.

So is my original statement correct that the only difference is that a wide piece of metal is attached to the ram? I do not know what, if any, price difference exists between the two types. I am wondering if I am missing something because I do not see the big benefit of a wide-spread since you probably have to modify/customize their piece of metal anyway.
Carl P
QUOTE(Quicksand @ Nov 2 2005, 09:41 AM)
QUOTE(Carl P @ Nov 2 2005, 10:49 AM)
The center mount racks were generally for VW beam style stuff still in use.

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Thanks Carl.

So is my original statement correct that the only difference is that a wide piece of metal is attached to the ram? I do not know what, if any, price difference exists between the two types. I am wondering if I am missing something because I do not see the big benefit of a wide-spread since you probably have to modify/customize their piece of metal anyway.
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The benefit would be to spread the load of the tie-rod stress into the chassis. And to place the tierods in the plane between the upper and lower pivots of the control arms. That location is what decides the bumpsteer qualities. It CAN be manipulated fore and aft and vertically to maximize the system. But it's generally accepted that it should be in that plane of the pivots.

But you're correct that there should be little or no difference in the function or the ram. The ram usually mount to the ends of the rack on most brands I've seen.

Carl
Quicksand
QUOTE(Carl P @ Nov 2 2005, 11:53 AM)
QUOTE(Quicksand @ Nov 2 2005, 09:41 AM)
QUOTE(Carl P @ Nov 2 2005, 10:49 AM)
The center mount racks were generally for VW beam style stuff still in use.

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Thanks Carl.

So is my original statement correct that the only difference is that a wide piece of metal is attached to the ram? I do not know what, if any, price difference exists between the two types. I am wondering if I am missing something because I do not see the big benefit of a wide-spread since you probably have to modify/customize their piece of metal anyway.
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The benefit would be to spread the load of the tie-rod stress into the chassis. And to place the tierods in the plane between the upper and lower pivots of the control arms. That location is what decides the bumpsteer qualities. It CAN be manipulated fore and aft and vertically to maximize the system. But it's generally accepted that it should be in that plane of the pivots.

But you're correct that there should be little or no difference in the function or the ram. The ram usually mount to the ends of the rack on most brands I've seen.

Carl
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Thanks. I understand the bumpsteer issues which is exactly why I did not see a big benefit. I would still have to modify their piece of metal to my particular situation to minimize bumpsteer or make my own.
CRAIG_HALL
A standars by any builder will have 2-3 bolt only in the center to hold the tie rod mount.These are o.k. if your pivots are close together.If you have a wide distance between them you will want the wide mount which has bolts at the outer ends to support the ends of you tie rod mount that is wider than the center bolt spacing
demp223
bumpsteer bracket like this.
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