I heard that the DMV and CHP will soon stop allowing us to apply and vin our home built ORV'S.
Does this meen that this sport no longer belongs to the hobbiest? I heard from a good source that we will no longer be able to build a rail and then apply for registration, and that we will soon only be able to get a vehicle through a manufacturer or dealer such as tatum, raw, su, ect. this all together is'nt a total disaster seeing as most of these builders make a geat product if you have the MONEY but it sure takes away from the freedom that makes this sport great!
Please tell me this is not true! please tell me that we wont be subject to another controlled market where our options are limited to 40k and above and if it is true I suggest anyone out there thats been getting by on an unregistered vehicle get their __s in gear and get that vehicle registered before its worthless!!!!!
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Where did you hear this? Quotes? Names? How can I look this up?
Has anyone else heard this?
Builders?
Has anyone else heard this?
Builders?
WTF??????
QUOTE(sandman06 @ Dec 14 2005, 08:23 PM)
I heard that the DMV and CHP will soon stop allowing us to apply and vin our home built ORV'S.
Does this meen that this sport no longer belongs to the hobbiest? I heard from a good source that we will no longer be able to build a rail and then apply for registration, and that we will soon only be able to get a vehicle through a manufacturer or dealer such as tatum, raw, su, ect. this all together is'nt a total disaster seeing as most of these builders make a geat product if you have the MONEY but it sure takes away from the freedom that makes this sport great!
Please tell me this is not true! please tell me that we wont be subject to another controlled market where our options are limited to 40k and above and if it is true I suggest anyone out there thats been getting by on an unregistered vehicle get their __s in gear and get that vehicle registered before its worthless!!!!!
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Does this meen that this sport no longer belongs to the hobbiest? I heard from a good source that we will no longer be able to build a rail and then apply for registration, and that we will soon only be able to get a vehicle through a manufacturer or dealer such as tatum, raw, su, ect. this all together is'nt a total disaster seeing as most of these builders make a geat product if you have the MONEY but it sure takes away from the freedom that makes this sport great!
Please tell me this is not true! please tell me that we wont be subject to another controlled market where our options are limited to 40k and above and if it is true I suggest anyone out there thats been getting by on an unregistered vehicle get their __s in gear and get that vehicle registered before its worthless!!!!!
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I have not heard that but would like to hear feeback from people on the subject. F*ck the government. Fight for your rights and let the idiots out there know they ruin it for everybody else.
I was at a reputable builder last week in temecula and heard it there.They are good people there and trust what they say apparently this new law has been in effect but that they havn't been enforcing it yet but when they do their will be alot of shocked people out there!
Trust me folks I hope this is all false! I just finished my car and have my appointment set for the 20th of december!!!!
I think this is why alot of builders have become licensed manufactures. From my understanding you are allowed 1 special project in your lifetime if this law has passed.
If this is true then maybe I should start a shop were you can rent a space and build your own buggy under my lic. and in the shop I'll rent you the benders welders, floor space, jigs and all tools to build it.
Might be a good business venture...
Might be a good business venture...
may not be a bad idea!
QUOTE(Mr.DUNE @ Dec 14 2005, 07:45 PM)
If this is true then maybe I should start a shop were you can rent a space and build your own buggy under my lic. and in the shop I'll rent you the benders welders, floor space, jigs and all tools to build it.
Might be a good business venture...
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And after a safety check we could get it License too.
I hope it does'nt come to that it still jacks up the cost!!! if it came down to that you might as well pay someone to build you one and not even bother!
I think this is only for licensed builders that sell to the public... not a general public rule.
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I hope this in not accurate info - it would definently put a damper on the home builder. 
I had read something quite a while back that referred to limiting the number of applications for vin number for "on highway" vehicles. On highway or street legal vehicles has been a topic of discussion for a while. Since the State of California requires all street legal vehicles to be smogged and carry insurance, considering that there are fewer insurance companies that will insure special construction vehicles, this has been discussed. However I am not sure if anything has really come of it. As for off highway equipment, I would suspect that we may and probably will see the fee's go off the chart when it comes to a vin number assignment, but I really don't see it being eliminated. I doubt that CA will pass up a chance to collect money. I know that there has been changes with DMV when it comes to what DMV does vs. the CHP. Years ago, DMV use to assign vin numbers to all non motorized vehicles, ie: trailers, but this duty has transferred to CHP now.
I would just expect to pay higher fees, but would doubt if it would be eliminated. Since when does CA. eliminate something they can charge a fee for?
I would just expect to pay higher fees, but would doubt if it would be eliminated. Since when does CA. eliminate something they can charge a fee for?
I was told this has come about because the demand for the dmv and chp has become to great to deal with. but dont think they dont get there money it will be just like buying a car, the manufacturer or dealer just collects the money for them. they just wanna make it like going down to your local ford dealer and picking up a truck!nobody gets hurt they get their money you get your toy and they dont have to deal with the paperwork or hassle!!!!!!!
Somebody mis-understood someone somewhere...There is no way the state can tell you you cannot build an off-road vehicle.
My guess is what they meant to hear was an individual could only build X number of cars or off- road vehicles before he must apply and become a dealer.
Laws simular to that have been on the books for years. If you sell, I dont know, 8 or so cars(street) a year, the DMV considers you a dealer and you must apply for a dealer license.
My guess is now that the manufactures are becoming licensed and are doing their own DMV work, they(dmv) want to close another loophole by not allowing joe q welder to build a bunch of cars every year.
Some builders are doing things properly and filing papers, collecting tax, attaching vins and doing everything they are supposed to do...Others, I know this first hand, are not doing it by the law.
The best way to close the loophole, only allow X number of "home" build off road vehicles before a person must become a licensed dealer.
If your doing one or two cars for yourself each year, I dont think you would have anything to worry about. They are not going to tell you you cant build yourself a car or that you cant register a car.
My guess is what they meant to hear was an individual could only build X number of cars or off- road vehicles before he must apply and become a dealer.
Laws simular to that have been on the books for years. If you sell, I dont know, 8 or so cars(street) a year, the DMV considers you a dealer and you must apply for a dealer license.
My guess is now that the manufactures are becoming licensed and are doing their own DMV work, they(dmv) want to close another loophole by not allowing joe q welder to build a bunch of cars every year.
Some builders are doing things properly and filing papers, collecting tax, attaching vins and doing everything they are supposed to do...Others, I know this first hand, are not doing it by the law.
The best way to close the loophole, only allow X number of "home" build off road vehicles before a person must become a licensed dealer.
If your doing one or two cars for yourself each year, I dont think you would have anything to worry about. They are not going to tell you you cant build yourself a car or that you cant register a car.
I know about that law and it's 7 per year i'm pretty sure. man that sounds like a good explanation I hope your right cause god help us if your not!
QUOTE(tom simrak @ Dec 14 2005, 08:20 PM)
Laws simular to that have been on the books for years. If you sell, I dont know, 8 or so cars(street) a year, the DMV considers you a dealer and you must apply for a dealer license.
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Actually the way the law reads now is that if you sell just one car for profit, the state can determine you are a dealer. I guess that would apply to building a car also. I know this because a while back I had a neighbor that was into the Sierra Club (an environmental attorney) that did not like my off road activities. At the time, I owned a lot of equipment and was always buying something new and sell off something, he turned me in to the DMV and claimed I was a dealer. Since I had everything registered in my name, and proved I actually used the equipment, they determined that what I did was strictly personal use. That is when they informed me that if I was to ever buy and sell just one single vehicle for profit, then I could be considered a dealer and be required to have a dealers license.
Seems to be a bit of a catch 22 having builders become licensed manufactures with the ability of assigning vin numbers. Seems more like something attorneys have pushed through. I would venture to guess that as more manufactures become licensed builders, then their liability will increase. Gives the attorneys someone to go after. But that's just my opinion.
man some neighbor what a dick! love that sierra club they even drop bombs at home!!!
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man some neighbor what a dick! love that sierra club they even drop bombs at home!!!
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Karma........... can really bite you at times. Not only was he disliked by his neighbors, but his wife divorced him, she got the house, kids, car, and two dogs. In addition, his wife, now x-wife has a very comfortable child support order. Typically the attorney comes out ahead, but not this time. But he can still go out and hug a tree anytime.
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QUOTE(sandman06 @ Dec 14 2005, 08:49 PM)
man some neighbor what a dick! love that sierra club they even drop bombs at home!!!
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Karma........... can really bite you at times. Not only was he disliked by his neighbors, but his wife divorced him, she got the house, kids, car, and two dogs. In addition, his wife, now x-wife has a very comfortable child support order. Typically the attorney comes out ahead, but not this time. But he can still go out and hug a tree anytime.
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If his ex wife is hot I'd have a go at her, just to piss tree boy off.
I had a bill of sale for a homebuilt car and was recently trying to register it. They told me that the car could NEVER be registered in CA. They said it had to be registered by the person who originally built it first. Easy enough to get around, just say I built it but now I need a new VIN because they nooped the one I had.
The private person can build one a year if you build more than that you will need a license to be a manufacture.
QUOTE(tom simrak @ Dec 14 2005, 09:28 PM)
Somebody mis-understood someone somewhere...There is no way the state can tell you you cannot build an off-road vehicle.
My guess is what they meant to hear was an individual could only build X number of cars or off- road vehicles before he must apply and become a dealer.
Laws simular to that have been on the books for years. If you sell, I dont know, 8 or so cars(street) a year, the DMV considers you a dealer and you must apply for a dealer license.
My guess is now that the manufactures are becoming licensed and are doing their own DMV work, they(dmv) want to close another loophole by not allowing joe q welder to build a bunch of cars every year.
Some builders are doing things properly and filing papers, collecting tax, attaching vins and doing everything they are supposed to do...Others, I know this first hand, are not doing it by the law.
The best way to close the loophole, only allow X number of "home" build off road vehicles before a person must become a licensed dealer.
If your doing one or two cars for yourself each year, I dont think you would have anything to worry about. They are not going to tell you you cant build yourself a car or that you cant register a car.
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My guess is what they meant to hear was an individual could only build X number of cars or off- road vehicles before he must apply and become a dealer.
Laws simular to that have been on the books for years. If you sell, I dont know, 8 or so cars(street) a year, the DMV considers you a dealer and you must apply for a dealer license.
My guess is now that the manufactures are becoming licensed and are doing their own DMV work, they(dmv) want to close another loophole by not allowing joe q welder to build a bunch of cars every year.
Some builders are doing things properly and filing papers, collecting tax, attaching vins and doing everything they are supposed to do...Others, I know this first hand, are not doing it by the law.
The best way to close the loophole, only allow X number of "home" build off road vehicles before a person must become a licensed dealer.
If your doing one or two cars for yourself each year, I dont think you would have anything to worry about. They are not going to tell you you cant build yourself a car or that you cant register a car.
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Yes they were refering to the #of cars you can build. 1 per life time per person.
same with all those garage chopper builders. what they are tring to do is get some safer products out there, to many pepole are building cars, bikes ect. with no expereince, and then selling them to "joe public"
Yes I agre that it sucks for guys like us who love to build and modify the toys we allready have. But the law was passed 1 year ago and not much we can do now.
I believe I read about this as well in a Car magazine awhile back . It was designed for Street legal vehicles only, not OHV. Maybe the GD.com member who does this service can chime in?
QUOTE(BajaBuggin @ Dec 15 2005, 04:50 PM)
I believe I read about this as well in a Car magazine awhile back . It was designed for Street legal vehicles only, not OHV. Maybe the GD.com member who does this service can chime in?
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new guy droppin in here. i live in wisconsin where everything off road is illegal, but anyway i'm confused about when we come out to glamis for the first time this early spring what will i need? i have a sand limo squirt with no vin (it's an older one) and only a bill of sale from the guy i bought it from?
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QUOTE(sandrocket @ Dec 15 2005, 03:01 PM)
QUOTE(tom simrak @ Dec 14 2005, 09:28 PM)
Somebody mis-understood someone somewhere...There is no way the state can tell you you cannot build an off-road vehicle.
My guess is what they meant to hear was an individual could only build X number of cars or off- road vehicles before he must apply and become a dealer.
Laws simular to that have been on the books for years. If you sell, I dont know, 8 or so cars(street) a year, the DMV considers you a dealer and you must apply for a dealer license.
My guess is now that the manufactures are becoming licensed and are doing their own DMV work, they(dmv) want to close another loophole by not allowing joe q welder to build a bunch of cars every year.
Some builders are doing things properly and filing papers, collecting tax, attaching vins and doing everything they are supposed to do...Others, I know this first hand, are not doing it by the law.
The best way to close the loophole, only allow X number of "home" build off road vehicles before a person must become a licensed dealer.
If your doing one or two cars for yourself each year, I dont think you would have anything to worry about. They are not going to tell you you cant build yourself a car or that you cant register a car.
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My guess is what they meant to hear was an individual could only build X number of cars or off- road vehicles before he must apply and become a dealer.
Laws simular to that have been on the books for years. If you sell, I dont know, 8 or so cars(street) a year, the DMV considers you a dealer and you must apply for a dealer license.
My guess is now that the manufactures are becoming licensed and are doing their own DMV work, they(dmv) want to close another loophole by not allowing joe q welder to build a bunch of cars every year.
Some builders are doing things properly and filing papers, collecting tax, attaching vins and doing everything they are supposed to do...Others, I know this first hand, are not doing it by the law.
The best way to close the loophole, only allow X number of "home" build off road vehicles before a person must become a licensed dealer.
If your doing one or two cars for yourself each year, I dont think you would have anything to worry about. They are not going to tell you you cant build yourself a car or that you cant register a car.
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Yes they were refering to the #of cars you can build. 1 per life time per person.
same with all those garage chopper builders. what they are tring to do is get some safer products out there, to many pepole are building cars, bikes ect. with no expereince, and then selling them to "joe public"
Yes I agre that it sucks for guys like us who love to build and modify the toys we allready have. But the law was passed 1 year ago and not much we can do now.
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Unless you become a dealer...
Skills are not an issue. How many companies do we see building buggys today that came from nowhere? More than we should. Buy a glue gun and a tube bender and your a builder.
The DMV has no way to tell if somone is qualified to build and sell cars, or we would have less people building buggies...All the DMV wants is money.
I would venture to say, this law does not apply to off road vehicles. (one per person) but they may want to limit the number before you must become a dealer..
If you build X number of cars you must become a dealer and pay big bucks...
just because a company name came out of nowhere doesnt mean the individual people who run it don't know what they are doing. Learning the background of some of these companies is interesting, not to mention who they have working for them.
QUOTE(ocean1 @ Dec 14 2005, 09:10 PM)
Years ago, DMV use to assign vin numbers to all non motorized vehicles, ie: trailers, but this duty has transferred to CHP now.
I would just expect to pay higher fees, but would doubt if it would be eliminated. Since when does CA. eliminate something they can charge a fee for?
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I would just expect to pay higher fees, but would doubt if it would be eliminated. Since when does CA. eliminate something they can charge a fee for?
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The DMV still issues VIN's to special constructed NON motorized vehicles ie trailers. All motorized vehicles are referred to CHP for VIN's so that motor and transmission numbers can be checked for theft. The CHP DOESN"T charge anything to issue a VIN. That is paid for by your taxes.
Well guys I hope you are all correct! but getting back to the beginning the manufacturer I spoke with made no mention of quantity of cars or any of the things that have been mentioned here just that the DMV will soon not be handling applications for registration of unlicenced unvinned orv's and that you will have to go to a registered manufacturer!
I still suggest and will myself be asking more questions about this concern.
cum on guys it's not like we hav'nt been blind sided in the past by some weird new law that was passed and it just kicked our ass!
I still suggest and will myself be asking more questions about this concern.
cum on guys it's not like we hav'nt been blind sided in the past by some weird new law that was passed and it just kicked our ass!
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