An interesting veiwpoint.

It's interesting how war protesters of the 60s genuinely wanted peace. They were content to just display love and peace and flowers, whatever. The war protesters of today have an obvious red agenda. War is not what they are protesting. They are not really protesting anything. They have taken advantage of this current situation to sling their communist/leftist/Marxist/liberal garbage under the disguise of peace marches. >:<

there is a war going on. People are getting killed. War is not a viable solution for differences between nations, because the people fighting the wars have no connection to the underlying motives for the war.

Let the generals and high muckety mucks who caused this war risk their lives or the lives of their loved ones and we'll see a rapid end to armed conflict as a way of settling differences between nations.



whatever you call their agenda, it is totally within their rights to express their beliefs.

War is ALWAYS a viable solution. Many times it has been the ONLY solution. Waht fantasy world do you live in where people can talk things out. This is how civilizations work! Citizens/societies of the world put their faith in a few leaders. Be it voluntarily or involuntary. Even in your world of small independent communes, or whatever your idea of a nation is, there will always be a spokesman or elder or someone who takes a leadership position. This is what makes a country a country.
And yes, it is their right to march for communism. It is not their right to sucker in these weak minded high school punks under the banner of peace.

Do you not realize they didn't join the military as a generals? They worked their way to the top for a reason. You don't get handed that rank. I'm sure plenty of them have shed a little blood for their country and they know what war is about. (Unlike you) What have you done besides try to backstab all of the men and women protecting you? >:< >:< TRAITOR >:< >:<

If he is still even alive, ya think Saddam's life isn't at risk?

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Wars don't solve anything do they? The Civil war was the bloodiest the US ever saw, yet the causes of it linger on.. Only through litigation and peaceful resistance has positive change come about.




We have a chance to evolve. I'm ready are you?



with education and the breaking down of language and cultural barriers that corporations and governments manipulate to control the common man, the day is coming when we can decide that war is not a viable answer to our problem.






but it's OK to sucker them in with a shiny uniform and the power of a gun that can kill innocents.

I wasn't suckered into it. It's voluntary!! Imagine that! Unlike the country you are so quick to defend. >:< TRAITOR

I think that was a personal attack rubber! RIGHT ON!




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Redsky! The Only reason you have the rights you have is because of WAR!

punksky,
Remember that thousands have fought and died for this great country to insure that the rights of the people are preserved and that this country stays FREE.
ALSO REMEMBER THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET THE HELL OUT OUT THIS COUNTRY IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT. Preach your crap to the retarded protesters some where else. No one here wants to hear it. >:< 'Nuff said. Done deal.

Blowsky, I think he hit the nail right on the head here. >:< >:< GET THE EFF OUT IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT! >:< >:< Did I mention you're a >:< TRAITOR >:< ?

God, I love war!

Actually, we are not waging war, this is just a very selfless humanitarian aid project, on behalf of the Iraqi people.

Do the math.

I recently saw a chart of the many, many thousands of murders, often on a grand scale, directed by hussein's regime. The time frame was about 17 years, included death by torture, gassing, execution, and various other sadistic methods.

Since our military presence, a scant 2 weeks ago, this activity has dropped dramatically in the coalition occupied areas of Iraq. Even if you compare the civilian casualties from warfare, discounted the murder of civilians by departing hussein supporters and the suicide bombers, we are performing a literal life-saving service to the Iraqi people.


So why does old europe (now passe', pardon my french) love hussein and hate America? It's envy and we wrecked their sweet deals with the scumbag regime in Iraq. Old Europe is dead when it comes to contributing any value to the global community. France, Germany and their surrounding odd bits of real estate, occupied by inbred royal morons, ought to go lay out in the yard. Their walking dead and just didn't know it until now. For that matter, their ridiculous little social club (U.N.) is dead too.

The old european whores never cared how hussein behaved as long as they got their oil cheap, their big construction contracts and sold him arms. Germans will always be Germans, Russians ditto, and the French population will soon be replaced with Algerians.

Since when is it morally OK to murder people you govern (don't give me that capital punishment crap, I mean regular decent citizens with an occasional thought of freedom)? Since when should the world stand by and let it happen? According to the old europeans, when there is a buck to be paid and besides, they have been murdering their own people for a thousand years. It's tradition!

The peace (I consider them cowards) marchers never take into account the horror of life in Iraq. They too are envious of a nation that acts rather than cries it self to sleep and bed-wets in fear. I say we put Iraq on a good democratic footing and go find some other scumbag to send to hell. Like that mass murdering jerk-off in North Korea.

So that this post will be environmentally oriented: anyone else see the picture of the U.S. Marines walking shoulder-to-shoulder, cleaning up their bivouac, before moving on? What other country's military would do this? Pretty cool.

Rock and Roll!
God, I love selfless humanitarian aid projects!

Good duners there. 8)

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Don't ya just love this guy!!!! :wink: :cheese:



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ever heard of the US genocide of American Indians--



http://www.dickshovel.com/DeadIndians.html

Hitler's conception of lebensraumpolitik - the idea that Germans were innately entitled by virtue of their racial and cultural superiority to land belonging to others, and that they were thus morally free to take it by aggressive military action - obviously had much in common with the 19th century American sense of 'Manifest Destiny.'

...Even the the nazi tactic of concentrating 'undesireables' prior to their forced 'relocation or reduction' was drawn from actual U.S. examples, including internment of the Cherokees and other 'Civilized Tribes' during the 1830's before the the devastatingly lethal Trail of Tears was forced upon them, and the comparable experience of the Navajo people at the Bosque Redondo during the period 1864-68.


...or African Americans?



http://www.black-collegian.com/african/dec...s2002-2nd.shtml


. Only the Native-American genocide in the U.S. is comparable to the horror of African-American slavery.

Don't ya just hate this idiot! >:< :X: :skull:


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Gee lets see, the issues that dipsh*^ (punksky) speak of happened a long time ago. Times were different and peoples values and morals were EXTREMELY different. It didn't make it right but that was the way things happened THEN. This is NOW!! The world has changed and so has the views and standards by which we live by. Did people care about the enviroment 100 years ago? NOPE! Things such as stripmining and extreme pollution were the norm. Times have changed. People have changed. Have I said that already?

And I have yet to read where 6 million American Indians were locked in concentration camps where medical and other types of experimentation were performed on them or that they were executed just because they were there.Would you have rather just let Hitler and his bunch just go on about their business and eventually complete his plan to take over the world?
And slavery, which could be the lowest way to treat a human and is one of the worst ideas anyone ever came up with, IS NOT the same as what Hitler did and is SURE AS HELL NOT COMPARABLE with what is happening today. I have yet to figure out how you have tried to link the three together.
Re-read my earlier post and take the suggestion. You're a troll and a parasitic traitor who no longer requires a response to your bullsh%^views.

Up to the beginning of the twentieth century, practically all the powerful nations of the world were exploiting their native populations and those of their acquired territories, including America. Some continued well into the past century, such as France, Britain, Russia, Japan, China, Germany and Iraq.

America grew up and learned to respect people and territory. The youngest power became an example for its misbehaving parents. Even to the point of warring with them to protect global freedom. Imagine that. Most of our transgressions came from the training and age-old institutions of our European elders and at least one practice, slavery, was kicked off entirely by Europeans in European territories. America did not start slavery, we ended it!

France, Iraq, Russia and China persist at such misbehavior to the current day. Germany is still stung from re-acquiring East Germany and the living memory of their horrific actions less than 60 years ago. Otherwise they would be out in the world behaving like what we have all come to expect from Germans. Rather, they support tyrants through trade, technology transfer and arms.

Sept. 11, 2001 was a lesson intended to put America on notice that we should look the other way, while Islamic regimes brutalize their own people (ex. Iraq) and invade neighboring moderate nations (ex. the Pakistani taliban into Afganistan and Iraq into Kuwait). America was told, "leave us alone to build a global superpower based on fundamental religion, whose ultimate aim is to destroy the world's free-living peoples".

The "peace" marchers want appeasement, to attempt to hold transgressors through discussion. This has never worked in all the annals of history. Why would Iraq's endeavors be the first ever stopped by talk?

America put Communism in retreat not through talk, but through a show of strength and the blood of our military. We are now putting the totalitarian theocracy of global Islam on notice. Left unchecked, these tyrants would be at our door within our lifetimes. Wait...that was 9/11/2001!

Let's see, slavery, Check. Fascism, Check. Communism, Check. Fundamentalism, well we're working on it. Yep, we have a pretty bad track record.


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Spain outlawed slavery in the mid 1500s. england outlawed slavery in 1805. the US outlawed slavery in 1873, though the economic and psychological effects are with us today.



and we don't?





sounds like you have some inside information







have you ever considered social evolution? you seem to refer to the actions of countries way back in the early 20th century as barbaric practices no longer used--slavery etc.

so when will you support the evolution of diplomacy and the unacceptible costs of war?





and the deepest debt ever conceived and held by a nation--how many $trillions?

we could of bought Russia for the price we paid in useless weapons of mass destruction--that are now being dismantled.


Communist states like the USSR protected their markets from capitalist domination. so the global corporations twisted America's arms to bust Communism by an arms race--not by producing better or cheaper products.


who knows if it will pay off for the Global corporations (most of which operate in the US).

As more products are produced and sold by corporations, there is less opportunity for the small businessman. Less individuality in the choices the consumer can make. and forget about service.

Capitalist states used to make fun of the Cubans waiting in long lines for their provisions or medications. Now look at us in the US.

they want to do it in the Middle East too--

and the Far East

and anywhere there are markets

When you can PROVE it can be effective! We tried the diplomacy thing for 12 YEARS, and it didn't work!!!



And what is freedom worth to you?



Organizations like CBD, PEERS, SIERRA CLUB, WWF are all doing the same thing, yet you applaud them. Make up your mind!


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we stayed out of war. we saved lives and tax dollars. it was working and would have continued to work--or the UN would have backed a multi-national police action. the cost in lives and dollars would have been spread over the entire UN membership, not just US.



How do you measure freedom? the freedom to pay a large percentage of a subsistance wage in taxes until you're 65 and then live with no health coverage through your golden years watching your grandchildren sent off to die in far off places to protect the investment of corporations who thank you by raising prices on necessary items like fuel?

I prefer the freedom to live in peace with the rest of the world. and it's cheap by comparison.






CBD et al are not profit-making corporations. they are not crowding out any small business people.

Time to put on my TROLL gear!



We saved lives? When the atrocities committed by Saddam are brought to life and we see the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of Iraqi people who were killed by their "sovereign" government, then you can tell me about saving lives! It was working??? Which part are you referring to??? Saddam blatantly ignored every resolution put forth by the UN for 12 years!!!! 12 years!!! I just don't get this "Wait a little longer BS" To say otherwise is asinine! They would have backed a multi-national police action??? Hello, they failed to back us when push came to shove!!!! And the cost is being spread by other nations, not JUST the U.S.



Ask the Iraqi people in a year. And I will be free of the fear of attack by terrorist based in and backed by Saddam! PRICELESS!!!!



Ya, tell that to those small business people who are going out of business because the product they produce can't be used because some eco-elitist org like CBD has sued the BLM and forced the closure of public land! Or those who are not allowed to develope their property because of some stupid fly??? What's that about not crowding out small business's???? Keep telling yourself that Blu! :X: :X: TROLL :X: :X:


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BTW, You got to be fricking kidding me!!! DUNE MASTER??? What a joke!!!


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what size do you wear?



we saved lives by not bombing and not sending troops into war. We haven't seen statistics of deaths caused by Saddam. we haven't seen weapons of mass destruction. We don't have the right to ignore international law based on suspicions.

BTW when did you begin to care about Iraqi lives? what about people on death row in the US mistakenly convicted? what about the hundreds of thousands of people held in prison in the US? are you concerned about them?





then maybe there wasn't enough evidence to warrant a police action. Do you know better?






can you give me some details on this statement?




I guess you haven't heard Mubarak's comment about this war energizing 400 Osamas. Your fears are manipulated by an administration who has its own motivations for acquiring a client state in oil-rich Middle East.






Should there be no controls on the use of EVERYBODY'S public land? The CBD is only forcing the BLM to ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS. and to protect the rare species that you obviously value less than the $ you can make selling machinery that destroys them.



please give more details about this--what are you talking about?





you're getting mixed up now Dez--maybe your troll suit's a little tight?

Big corporations are behind the designing of US foreign policy and have led us to the current war. The practices used by these corporations have resulted in the consolidations of manufacturing and distribution in the American consumer market.

Most of the $ being made in the dunes is going to the Japanese corporations like Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki. A few small businesses do make sand machines and accessories. Their share of the market is negligible. I would even venture to say that if all motorized rec in the dunes was limited to locally produced vehicles and products, that there would be no need for any closures because there wouldn't be enough people riding to have an effect on the environment!

http://www.beachbrowser.com/Archives/Envir...if-Projects.htm

thre story was written in 1999..any updates?

Ya here's an update for you! Your as ignorant as you are arrogant!!! If you didn't see those Iraqi people dancing and celebrating in the street this morning as they toppled a statue of Saddam, then your an idiot! If that scene alone didn't convince you that we needed to be there than there is nothing else to say. You are blinded by your hatred of our country and it's ELECTED LEADERS! I AM DONE WITH YOU BLUESKY, LORNE PATTERSON, OR BAGHDAD BLU as you are now known. Keep your head in the sand and maybe all the bad people will just go away!!! :X: :X: TROLL! :X: :X:


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My Quote:
Sept. 11, 2001 was a lesson intended to put America on notice that we should look the other way, while Islamic regimes brutalize their own people (ex. Iraq) and invade neighboring moderate nations

Bluesky:
sounds like you have some inside information

Me:
Yeah, it's called history, try studying it sometime. Islamic armies tore apart India 800 years ago, slaughtered millions of families, drove the Buddhists into the Mountains and very nearly wiped out the Hindu peoples. The Mongols were sweet hearts compared to those who got there marching orders from the Koran.

And don't give me that crap about England eliminating slavery before America. They just installed in their colonies, got moral in the Isles, except for the east India houseboys in London (sounds like slavery to me), but kept buying boatloads of cotton from the slave states. So England put on a holier-than-thou face about slavery, but continuing to benefit big time from their own creation in the new world. Meanwhile, we get stuck cleaning up their immoral mess and trying to stay a nation (which we almost did not) in the process. How many Brits died ending slavery?

The Old World: a 1,000 years of global horror, fifty years of hypocrisy.

America: one hundred years of trying to survive as a country, 100+ years of saving everybody else from old world aggression.

I understand the weather is wonderful this time of year in Paris. Bon Voyage!

HIP HIP HOORAY FOR THE US of A!!!!!!!!!


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Alright Omnivore!
Screw those bloody savages. They've never been civilized, they never will be. Maybe Bluesky thinks they need more time, like the weapons inspectors. How bout it blue? Maybe give Islam another 2,000 years to shape up?!