http://www.liberation-mag.org.uk/ecoterrorism2.htm

Extremists within the environmental and animal rights movements have committed literally thousands of violent criminal acts in recent decades - arguably more than those from any other radical sector, left or right. Although these extremists have yet to kill anyone in America, they have carried out arsons, fire-bombings, assaults, and attacks on animal-based businesses and laboratories. This February, an FBI official testified to Congress that what he characterized as the leading eco-terrorist groups the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) - had committed more than 600 criminal acts since 1996 that resulted in a minimum of $43 million in damage. What follows is a selection of 1984-2002 incidents, drawn from ALF/ELF communiqués, media reports, law enforcement officials and publications of the movement.
MAY 1984- Philadelphia, Pa. An ALF raid at the University of Pennsylvania Head Injury Lab caused $60,000 in damage.
DEC. 9, 1984 - Duarte, Calif. The ALF raided the City of Hope National Medical Center, causing $400,000 in damage.
APRIL 1, 1985 - Riverside, Calif. The ALF raided a laboratory at the University of California, Riverside, causing $700,000 in damage. About 500 animals were released.
OCT. 26, 1986 - Eugene, Ore. The ALF claimed an attack on a University of Oregon laboratory that did nearly $120,000 in damage.
APRIL 15, 1987 - Davis, Calif. An ALF arson attack at the University of California, Davis, Animal Diagnostics Laboratory destroyed a building and 20 vehicles, causing $5.1 million in damage.
SEPT. 1, 1987 - Santa Clara, Calif. The Animal Rights Militia, part of the ALF, claimed an arson fire at the San Jose Valley Veal & Beef Company that caused $10,000 in damage.
NOV. 28, 1987 - Santa Clara, Calif. The words “ALF” and “murderers” were sprayed on walls at the V. Melani poultry distribution company, where a fire caused $200,000 in damage.
APRIL 2, 1989 - Tucson, Ariz. The ALF set fires in a laboratory at a Veterans Administration hospital at the University of Arizona that
caused $500,000 in damage.
APRIL 15, 1989 - Monterey, Calif. The ALF set timed incendiary devices at a meat company, where an apparently unexpected early morning crew smelled smoke and managed to flee to safety.
JULY 4, 1989 - Lubbock, Texas. The ALF destroyed records and smashed computers and other equipment during a laboratory raid at Texas Tech University, causing $700,000 in damage.
JUNE 10, 1991 - Corvallis, Ore. ALF member Rod Coronado and others broke into the Oregon State University's experimental mink farm and set timed incendiary devices that caused $62,000 in damage.
DECEMBER 15, 1991 - Yamhill, Ore. Rod Coronado set fire to a Hynek Malecky facility where mink pelts are dried, causing $96,000 in damage.
FEB. 28, 1992 - East Lansing, Mich. Rod Coronado and other ALF members set a $1.2 million fire at Michigan State University's mink research facility. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) donated $42,000 toward Coronado's defense, but he was imprisoned anyway and not released until 2001.
JANUARY 1995 - Henrietta, N.Y. The ALF set two trucks on fire at the Conti Packing Co.
APRIL 14, 1995 - Syracuse, N.Y. The ALF ignited an incendiary device at Oneata Beef Company, causing $6,000 in damage.
JUNE 15, 1995 - Murray, Utah. The ALF torched Tandy Leather, causing $300,000 in damage.
DECEMBER 24, 1995 - Eugene, Ore. The ALF planted incendiary devices under three Dutch Girl Ice Cream trucks, causing $15,600 in damage.
APRIL 2, 1996 - Salt Lake City, Utah. The ALF burned an Egg Products store to the ground and damaged two of the firm's trucks, causing over $100,000 in damage.
OCT. 27, 1996 - Detroit, Ore. The ELF and the ALF jointly torched a U.S. Forest Service truck.
OCT. 30, 1996 - Eugene, Ore. The ALF and the ELF burned the U.S. Forest Service Oakridge Ranger Station, causing $5.3 million in damage.
NOV. 12, 1996 - Bloomington, Minn. A firebomb claimed by the ALF was thrown through a window at the Alaskan Fur Company, causing over $2 million in damage.
FEB. 15, 1997 - Troy, Mich. The ALF left butyric acid, a foul-smelling chemical, in a McDonald's and spray-painted “Mcs***, McMurder, McDeath” on the restaurant's bathroom walls.
MARCH 11, 1997 - Sandy, Utah. A series of firebombs claimed jointly by the ALF and the ELF destroyed four trucks and leveled the offices of the Agricultural Fur Breeders Co-Op, causing about $1 million in damage.
MARCH 18, 1997 - Davis, Calif. The “Bay Area Cell of the Earth X ALF” took credit for setting fire to the University of California, Davis, Center for Comparative Medicine facility, which was still under construction.
MARCH 18, 1997 - Ogden, Utah. Montgomery Furs, a trapping supply store, was torched by the ALF while a night watchman was inside. The watchman escaped unhurt.
APRIL 19, 1997 - Indianapolis, Ind. The ALF torched an Archer's Meats truck cab.
JULY 21, 1997 - Redmond, Ore. The ALF and ELF used napalm which they referred to as “vegan Jell-O” - to destroy the Cavel West horse slaughtering plant.
AUG. 16, 1997 - West Jordan, Utah. Four ALF activists burned a McDonald's restaurant to the ground, causing $400,000 in damage.

AUG. 17, 1997 - Morton Grove, Ill. The ALF threw two Molotov cocktails through a Cosmo's Furs window.
AUG. 19, 1997 - Fort Collins, Colo. The ALF claimed an arson attack on Wildlife Pharmaceuticals.
AUG. 26, 1997 - Howell, N.J. The ALF torched several Jersey Cuts Meat Co. trucks, destroying three that were valued at $60,000 each.
FEB. 28, 1998 - Indianapolis, Ind. The Outdoorsman Sport Shop had its windows broken and was set on fire. ALF slogans were spray-painted at the shop.
MAY 4, 1998 - Wimauma, Fla. The ALF claimed credit for burning down Florida Veal Processors Inc., causing $500,000 in damage.
JUNE 28, 1998 - Olympia, Wash. The ALF and ELF claimed responsibility for an arson at a U.S. Department of Agriculture Damage Control building.
JULY 16, 1998 - Paramus, N.J. The ALF claimed the destruction of a Steven Corn Furs truck.
OCT. 18, 1998 - Vail, Colo. The ELF burned down the Vail Associates ski facility, destroying seven structures valued at more than $12
million.
NOV. 16, 1998 - Manalapan, N.J. A van owned by the Leather and Fur Ranch was firebombed by the ALF.
NOV. 29, 1998 - Burns, Ore. The ALF and the ELF claimed joint responsibility for an arson at the Bureau of Land Management's Wild Horse Corrals.
DEC. 26, 1998 - Medford, Ore. The ELF claimed the $500,000 arson of a U.S. Forest Industries facility.
FEB. 18, 1999 - Chicago, Ill. Unidentified PETA activists were credited for throwing two pies at Procter & Gamble executive John Pepper to protest the company's animal testing.
MARCH 5, 1999 - Eugene, Ore. The “Biotic Baking Brigade” took credit for throwing a banana cream pie in Sierra Club staffer Charlie Raine's face to protest the Club's support of land exchanges between the government and timber companies.
MARCH 11, 1999 - Hampton, N.H. Three Biotic Baking Brigade activists threw pies at University of Wisconsin geneticist Neil First, who was speaking at the University of New Hampshire, to protest genetic engineering at UW. David Pike and Renee Medford were
charged with assault.
MARCH 27, 1999 - Franklin, N.J. The ALF firebombed six Big Apple Circus vehicles, destroying two trucks.
APRIL 5, 1999 - Minneapolis, Minn. Laboratories at the University of Minnesota were vandalized and dozens of research animals stolen by the ALF, wrecking research into Alzheimer's and cancer.
MAY 9, 1999 - Eugene, Ore. ALF set a fire that destroyed a two-story office building, a shipping dock and a refrigeration unit at Childer's Meat Co., wreaking about $150,000 in damage.
MAY 10, 1999 - Neah Bay, Wash. Sea Defense Alliance activists Jake Conroy and Josh Harper (who would later work for Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty) were charged with felony assault after allegedly throwing ignited smoke canisters at a Makah tribe's whaling support vessel and firing a lighted flare across its bow.
JUNE 25, 1999 - Miami, Fla. The ALF claimed the firebombing of a Worldwide Primates truck.
AUG. 7, 1999 - Escanaba, Mich. ELF arsonists torched two fishing boats at the home of veterinarian James Boydston and spray-painted his garage door with “FUR IS MURDER, ELF.”
AUG. 9, 1999 - Plymouth, Wis. Mink feed supplier United Feeds was burned down by ALF at about the same time as an ALF raid and mink release at Gene Myer's Fur Farm, also in the Plymouth area.
AUG. 29, 1999 - Orange, Calif. The ALF claimed an attack on a Bio-Devices Inc., research laboratory that resulted in $250,000 damage and the theft of 46 dogs.
AUG. 31, 1999 - Fulton County, Ga. The ALF burned down a McDonald's restaurant. PETA's Bruce Friedrich announced the crime on AR-News, an online animal rights news service.
SEPT. 23, 1999 - Phippsburg, Mass. The ALF claimed a failed arson at the Phippsburg Sportsmen's Association, where activists turned over coffee pots, left plastic cups on the burners, and turned on a gas line.
OCT. 1999 - Various cities. An ALF faction known as the Justice Department took credit for sending over 80 razor blade-laced envelopes, each containing a threatening letter with a picture of a bomb on it, to animal researchers, hunting guides and others in the United States and Canada. An ALF communiqué said some of the razor blades, which were positioned so as to slice open the fingers of anyone opening the envelopes, were coated in rat poison.
OCT. 22, 1999 - Warwick, R.I. The ALF claimed the torching of four Harris Furs vehicles.
NOVEMBER 1, 1999 - Seattle, Wash. Four gasoline bombs were thrown into a Gap clothing store in an attack the FBI attributed to the ALF.
DEC. 4, 1999 - Las Vegas, Nev. PETA activist Dawn Carr hit rodeo showgirl Brandy DeJongh in the face with a pie moments after DeJongh was awarded the Miss Rodeo America 2000 crown.
DEC. 25, 1999 - Monmouth, Ore. The ELF claimed responsibility for burning down logging firm Boise Cascade's regional headquarters.
DEC. 31, 1999 - Lansing, Mich. The ELF used accelerants to destroy $400,000 worth of property at Michigan State University in an action targeting Monsanto's genetically engineered products. The blaze was discovered by a faculty member working late inside the facility.
JAN. 3, 2000 - Petaluma, Calif. The ALF set fire to buildings and trucks at Rancho Veal's meatpacking plant, causing $250,000 in damage.
JAN. 15, 2000 - Petaluma, Calif. The ALF claimed credit for placing five incendiary devices in offices and trucks at a Petaluma Farms chicken farm (which “enslaves chickens for their eggs”). Two trucks were destroyed.
JAN. 23, 2000 - Bloomington, Ind. The ELF claimed credit for torching a house under construction, causing some $200,000 in damage. “No Sprawl, ELF” was painted at the site.
JAN. 24, 2000 - Redwood City, Calif. The ALF claimed credit for attempting to burn down Primate Products, a medical research facility.
MAY 30, 2000 - Washington, D.C. PETA activist Arathi Jayaram was charged with assault after throwing a pie at U.S. Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman at the National Nutrition Summit.
JULY 2, 2000 - North Vernon, Ind. The ALF took credit for burning a Rose Acre Farm chicken feed truck, causing $100,000 in damage. “Polluter, animal exploiter, your turn to pay,” was spray-painted at the scene.
JULY 30, 2000 - San Francisco, Calif. Coalition to Abolish the Fur Trade activist Bhaskar Sinha was charged with battery after threatening rock star Ted Nugent outside a Neiman Marcus department store.
SEPT. 9, 2000 - Bloomington, Ind. In an attack aimed at a highway project, the ELF claimed a minor fire at the Monroe County Republican Party headquarters that was meant as “a reminder to politicians.”
NOV. 27, 2000 - Boulder, Colo. The ELF claimed responsibility for torching a $2.5 million Legend Ridge mansion.
DEC. 19, 2000 - Miller Place, N.Y. The ELF claimed credit for burning down a home under construction.
DEC. 29, 2000 - Mount Sinai, N.Y. The ELF took credit for burning down four new homes at Island Estates. Teenagers Jared McIntyre, Matthew Rammelkamp and George Mashkow III pleaded guilty to charges connected to the attack. Fellow teen Connor Cash was later indicted for arson, arson conspiracy and providing material support to terrorists.
JAN. 1, 2001 - Glendale, Ore. The ELF torched the Superior Lumber Co., causing $400,00 in damage. “This year,” the ELF said, “we hope to see an escalation in tactics against capitalism.”
JAN. 23, 2001 - Capitola, Calif. Peter Schnell and Matthew Whyte, both of the Animal Defense League, were found behind the Capitola City Hall with plastic milk bottles, gasoline and candles. After five containers of gasoline were found in Whyte's car, Schnell told police he was working on a “craft project.” Authorities ultimately would sentence Schnell to 24 months and Whyte to 14 months in prison for attempted arson.
FEB. 20, 2001 - Visalia, Calif. The ELF claimed a fire at a research cotton gin owned by Delta & Pine Land, a firm accused of ties to Monsanto's genetically engineered seed program.
MARCH 2, 2001 - Douglas County, Ore. The ELF claimed responsibility for spiking trees at the Umpqua National Forest to prevent a timber sale.
MARCH 30, 2001 - Eugene, Ore. Thirty SUVs at Joe Romania's car dealership were torched, causing about $1 million in damage. The ELF said the attack was in support of Jeff “Free” Luers, who was serving a 23-year prison sentence, in part for torching cars at the
same dealership.
APRIL 5, 2001 - Arlington, Wash. The ALF set fire to a National Food Corp. egg farm, causing $1.5 million in damage.
APRIL 15, 2001 - Portland, Ore. The ELF claimed an arson attack, using time-delayed fuses, that caused $210,000 in damage to cement trucks at Ross Island Sand & Gravel.
MAY 21, 2001 - Seattle, Wash. The ALF set fire to the University of Washington's Center for Urban Horticulture, causing $5.6 million in damage and wrecking years of research on genetically altered poplar trees and similar projects.
JUNE 1, 2001 - Estacada, Ore. One logging truck was destroyed and two more damaged during an arson attack on Schoppert Logging trucks.
JUNE 12, 2001 - Tucson, Ariz. Four under-construction luxury homes were set afire and “CSP,” for Coalition to Save the Preserves, was found spray-painted at the site.
JUNE 14, 2001 - New York, N.Y. PETA activists aiming for fur designer Karl Lagerfeld missed and hit designer Calvin Klein with a tofu cream pie. Six members were charged with disorderly conduct and attempted assault.
JULY 2001 - Cowlitz County, Wash. The ELF claimed responsibility for spiking hundreds of trees slated for a timber sale in the Cowlitz Valley.
JULY 4, 2001 - Detroit, Mich. The ELF torched an executive office of logging giant Weyerhauser to protest the company's part in funding Oregon State University and the University of Washington's poplar and cottonwood genetic engineering research.
JULY 24, 2001 - Sands Point, N.Y. The “Pirates for Animal Liberation” claimed responsibility for unsuccessfully trying to sink a Bank of New York employee's 21-foot boat.
SEPT. 8, 2001 - Tucson, Ariz. Saying the attack was meant “as a warning to corporations worldwide,” the ALF and ELF claimed joint credit for the $500,000 arson of a McDonald's restaurant.
SEPT. 20, 2001 - Alamogordo, N.M. The ALF claimed a $1 million arson fire at Coulston Foundation's White Sands Research Center. Lab owner Dr. Fred Coulston had earlier had a bomb scare at his home and had also received razor blades in the mail.
OCT. 15, 2001 - SUSAnville, Calif. The ELF planted four firebombs at a Bureau of Land Management corral, burning down an $85,000 barn.
OCT. 24, 2001 - Long Island, N.Y. The “Special Operations: Huntingdon Life Sciences” cell of the ALF attacked Bank of America offices, smashing more than 30 windows and later boasting sarcastically that it had “joined the United States in their [sic] noble War Against Terrorism!”
NOV. 5, 2001 - Idaho County, Idaho. The ELF claimed the spiking of trees in the Nez Perce National Forest to prevent a timber sale.
NOV. 5, 2001 - Houghton, Mich. After a series of ELF e-mail threats, suspected ELF activists planted incendiary devices at the U.J. Noblet Forestry Building and a U.S. Forest Service laboratory at Michigan Tech University. Security guards disarmed the devices.
NOV. 11, 2001 - San Diego, Calif. The ALF destroyed a contract animal research lab owned by Sierra Biomedical, causing $50,000 in damage.
JAN. 29, 2002 - St. Paul, Minn. The ELF claimed a $250,000 arson at the University of Minnesota's Microbial and Plat Genomics Research Center, which was under construction.
JAN. 29, 2002 - Fairfield, Maine. The ELF and ALF jointly claimed the sabotage of a biotech plant being built for Jackson Labs, an animal testing business. Sand and mortar mix were used to wreck construction equipment at the site.
MARCH 24, 2002 - Erie, Penn. Saying it was trying to stop a highway project, the ELF spiked trees and torched a $500,000 construction crane at a bridge worksite.
MAY 3, 2002 - Bloomington, Ind. The ALF claimed a fire that destroyed a Sims Poultry truck.
JULY 10, 2002 - Seattle, Wash. Animal rights activists set off smoke bombs in two downtown buildings, sending 700 office workers fleeing into the streets. The targets were firms insuring Huntingdon Life Sciences, a company that does animal testing.

Intelligence Report. Fall 2002. Issue 107. Copyright Information.All rights reserved. Southern Poverty Law Center.

shall we compare those numbers with the amount of eco-terror done TO the environment in the name of recreation?

Many would disagree with the definition of eco-terror. Some would say that an OHV trail through a non OHV designated area would be eco-terror and some would say that it's just a trail.

I don't believe there are many that would argue the cases posted by Robbie above are terrorist cases.

notice it said no one has ever been killed in one of these displays of civil resistance.


On the other hand. Millions of acres of public and private lands have been severely impacted by OHV riders riding illegally. No one knows the long term consequences of this, though we can probably expect the tortoise to go extinct and other animals dependant on its burrows will become scarce. Spiders, for example, live in these burrows. If they become scarce, what effect will this have on the insect populations in our world? What about the effects of denuded land on the amount of harmful particles in the air we breath? The water used to soak into the land and the water table, now it runs unto puddles and evaporates. How will this affect our ability to live on the land?

the lack of management of the scofflaw off-roaders can affect our world much more deeply than a pie thrown at a gov't official.

No one has been killed. How many people have been affected? Was there a fire nearby that that forrest service truck was needed at but couldn't get to because it was burned to the ground? Was that medical center doing any testing that was life or death critical when it was raided? How about injured hikers, needing medical attention, follow their map to the ranger station and finding only a smoking burned out hulk in it's place?

You wax poetic about how OHV trails will have a huge impact on the enviroment and our lives. The puddle theory is weak man. How much rain water that would have soaked into the ground is caught in our gutters and funneled into the ocean?

The desert tortoise, as posted here many times, is in danger of URD, a respiritory disease and ravens which prey on the tortoise. OHV proved to be no appreciable risk to the tortoise.



Millions of OHV'rs have been impacted by closures, forced on them by self-rightous enviro groups. Groups who's sole purpose is to close public lands to the few who believe as they do.

The pie thing though is really funny. I'm sure alot of those people needed a pie shoved in their pie hole. :mrgreen:

FBSC, I'm with you 100% on this matter! However there are certain people who are absolutely blind to common sense. Because of this, we have started a campaign to effect a regime change so to speak on a certain member of the far left radical environmentalist movement. I invite you to join our coalition against this person and ask you not to respond to any post no matter how ridiculous or inflammatory. Thanks for the information and common sense you made available to those of us who are interested in protecting our selves from such extreme acts! It was very interesting.


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Mr. Elms. I respect the stance you have taken with Bluesky. I understand your feelings on the subject and have in fact felt that way myself on many occasions. Slappy and I have also made it clear that everyone is welcome on this website, even those who disagree because it takes all types to make the world go round. Bluesky understands that he needs to follow the rules on this board. As a matter of fact, in the discussions between Bluesky and countless others on this site, he has stayed within the boundries we have set for the most part while others have stretched and even broke them. If Bluesky ever came close, an email was all it took to straighten things out. As a moderator, I wish they were all that easy.

I really don't want to see Bluesky gone anyways. Through his eyes is a different view, a view that is hard for me to understand but never the less exists. I am humble enough to know that my views aren't necesssarily correct on all counts. In discussions with him, it is my duty to prove my point, just as it is his duty to prove his. Just the fact that I have learned alot from what he posts is reason enough not to go along with the crowd and ask Slappy to ban him.

Again, I understand why you are trying to get people to ignore him. I hope you can understand why I won't.
Ben Brittain

I was all set to fire back on ya FB

but now I have to go have a good cry

back at ya later!

Mr. Brittain, I also understand you point of view, as it was my own for a long period of time. However, I have tried to exchange idealisms with said person and finally I just lost all patience with him. I also do not believe that he should be banned. As opposing opinions are both needed, informative and helpful. However, I personally find no redeeming value in any of his post. The venom that he spreads on this board is infinitely inflammatory. There seems to be no middle ground as far as he is concerned.

While I am happy to hear that he follows the board rules and is easily pacified by an e-mail, the effect he has on others who use this board is not so easily repaired. I feel that he purposely posts inflammatory remarks in an attempt to cause the very boundary stretching you speak of. He then uses those post against us on other boards in an attempt to further his own agenda.

And while I too have learned from the opposition's point of view, I no longer feel that *******'s presence adds any value to our quest for information or insight into the environmental point of view.

I respect your opinion in regards to continuing to keep an open dialect with him, and I thank you for understanding and respecting mine.

Thank you and good luck in your future encounters.


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Ben you don't still honestly believe BS actually believes the stuff he spouts do you? This guy isn't any more of an environmentalist than he is an Iraqi Republican guard. His recent actions have proven beyond a doubt that he's just a troll who gets his rocks off on taking a contrary position in a place where he knows his input is not going to help the debate but rather force people to stoop to emotional outbursts.

He's a troll plain and simple. He's not an environmentalist and he's not a peacenik....he just gets off on making people angry at him because in his mind that proves his superiority. Trying to debate him is pointless since anything that is said is ignored if it dosen't help his arguments or taken as support if it can in any way be twisted around. He's never once debated anyone about anything - he just spouts hate and then chides people who react.

hitesman

I thinks it's more like a clash of basic values.

I for one value life.


How can I expect a group of people who risk their lives and the lives of their children and friends riding drunk and/or stoned on unsafe vehicles to care about the health of the ecosystem they are riding in?

Then to see the callous disregard for the victims of a peremptory war--I just have to speak out against it.

When I encounter thoughtful responses it gives me the opportunity to re-think my position and come up with an organized answer--such as on this thread about the obvious law-breaking and violence done by ALF and PETA (which BTW I don't condone).

I would ask you and dezzy why you suggest that others don't respond. If you want to boycott my posts, that's your privilege. If others are interested or insensed enough to post back, then we can continue a dialogue.

Dialogue between Americans about the use of our common public lands has GOT to be in our mutual best interests.

Blue - are you insinuating that we don't value life? I find that highly offensive. You are making a very unfair generalization. Just as you "don't condone" eco terrorism and have no part in it we don't all run around drunk in the desert. Just as you as an environmentalist are not responsible for the actions of the extremist we as a group are not responsible for the few who choose to be irresponsible.

I have spent many many hours hiking the Sangre de Cristo mountain range in New Mexico and it is just as dangerous as riding in the desert.

Mr. Elms, I too respect the stance you have taken with said person. I read through your dialog with Mr. Brittain and I am left with one question:

















































How's the weather?

Jet darlin' - you are too much!

So Cal didn't you notice how he did exactly what I said he would do and just spit out more hate designed to get an emotional response which you happily fed back to him?

Of coure it's also OK for this troll to bad mouth all OHV users and classify them all as drunk stoned hooligans - but if anyone points out all the laws routinely broken in the name of "environmentalism" or makes a comment about the weeds that seem to be passed around in abundance at "peace" and "environmentalism" events then suddenly we're making unfair generalizations.

He's not willing to debate anything - he just wants to get people upset. It's a mental illness and to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if it gets an official medical term in the next 10 years as more and more shrinks come on-line. He actually enjoys making people hate him and thrives on that negative energy you put back to him. I've delt with trolls for a LONG time - since before they found their way to the internet and hung out on BBSes and phone networks instead. They all follow the same patterns - they pick an issue they pretend to support then go into a place where they know their "opinions" will be counter to the existing discussion. They then start spewing hatefull speech when somone counters them and use this to show how distatefull these people must be that they would respond in this way.

The only way they go away is when they stop having fun - and that means when people stop responding to them since it's the responses to their filth that they thrive on. Just look at his post record here and on any other board under any of his other names (Rancancan, AZFXEAT, Mr. Eckes.....) and the way he gets himself banned repeatedly and the truth becomes clear.

Thank you for the support Jason. No matter what our opinion of ******* is, Mr. Brittain has a right to continue responding to him. We both know the outcome of those exchanges and have made our choice based on that knowledge. Hopefully other who interact with ******* will learn as we have and join our cause. Until then, all we can do is not respond ourselves and ask other to do the same. However, if they choose not to, that is their right and while I do not agree with it, I will respect their decision. Once again thanks for the support in this cause. And BTW jet, the weather is fantastic! :wink: :cheese:


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Hey Jeff,
It's cloudy and raining right now, with a bit of wind too. One thing is for sure, the sky is definitely not blue.

Who'd have thunk it. Sometimes a day with no blue sky can actually be a good day.

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Still raining... :roll2:

here's an example of those weeds right here at GD

http://www.glamisdunes.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7175


here's an example of excessive imbibing right here at GD

http://www.glamisdunes.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7363

Now don't get me wrong--I respect your right to alter your consciousness... But I have seen and read about so many accidents and incidents that result from mixing alcohol and OHVs.

BTW I have NEVER commented about the use of mind altering substances within the green community, so Hitesma is barking out his hind end again on that one.




what we do on these pages is debate. We present our facts and then respond intelligently to the other side's rebuttal.

You, Hitesma, are not equipped to logically debate. You get emotional and start name calling right away.





how can you say what another person enjoys or not? why don't you say what YOU enjoy doing and let me speak for myself?

I don't hate anyone here and I don't feel hatred from anyone--frustration maybe from yourself and dezzie, because your arguments are so shallow they can be debated with ease, but not hatred.

I don't spew hateful speech even in the face of unbearable insults.

Wow, what an exciting weekend we have coming up! Many people are going to Glamis to enjoy the dunes with their buggies, quads, motorcycles, and four-wheel drives. Others are going to the river to enjoy their boats and personal watercrafts. It sure would suck to be a low-life pretend-enviro that stayed at home watering his cannibis plants all weekend every weekend.

I hear ya KG! There is NOTHING like being outside and enjoying our public lands! I for one will be at the rio this weekend, kind of a tradition to kick off the summer river season on Easrter weekend in these parts! Enjoy yourself, I sure will!!! Oh! and I almost forgot! Enjoy the weather! :wink:


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