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looks like it is Hooters... I'm out..
QUOTE(mesraptor @ Jun 23 2006, 12:43 PM)
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 12:39 PM)
QUOTE(dunitic @ Jun 23 2006, 01:38 PM)
What does 
mean ???
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mean ???[right][snapback]1706038[/snapback][/right]
now I know why Mrs. Dunitic is always mad at you.. 
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You did not seriously ask that question...did you???[right][snapback]1706064[/snapback][/right]
I guess I need to go over and show Ms dunitic what
this is 
QUOTE(dunitic @ Jun 23 2006, 12:50 PM)
Imagine angalina jolies lips, pamala andersons boobs,J lo ass,with a little tia carara mixed in for good measure.
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QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 03:31 PM)
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Very nice...
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 04:44 PM)
QUOTE(Pusher @ Jun 23 2006, 05:40 PM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 05:33 PM)
Those are the one we looked at when we where at the ssss last year, that is the brand thats in the car I'm looking at also.....
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Excellent. I guess I知 going to have to read my manual and figure out how to use the car to car part of the radio...
When you order, be sure to get the little button that attaches to your steering wheel. It allows you communicate outside of the car without using the hand held mic, shown in the picture. You just push the button on the wheel and talk through your headset.
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Can those of us that ride Quads use them too?
QUOTE(mesraptor @ Jun 23 2006, 01:05 PM)
QUOTE(dunitic @ Jun 23 2006, 12:51 PM)
QUOTE(mesraptor @ Jun 23 2006, 12:43 PM)
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 12:39 PM)
QUOTE(dunitic @ Jun 23 2006, 01:38 PM)
What does mean ???
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mean ???[right][snapback]1706038[/snapback][/right]
now I know why Mrs. Dunitic is always mad at you.. [right][snapback]1706041[/snapback][/right]
You did not seriously ask that question...did you???[right][snapback]1706064[/snapback][/right]
What does it mean
mesraptor ???[right][snapback]1706102[/snapback][/right]
I don't khow what it means to you Dunitic, but to me it means ecstacy
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And thats why I love you
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 03:31 PM)
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looks very nice O Soto ,man I need a new job or a new suger momma
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 04:00 PM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 04:59 PM)
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 04:56 PM)
QUOTE(dunitic @ Jun 23 2006, 04:54 PM)
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 03:50 PM)
QUOTE(dunitic @ Jun 23 2006, 04:46 PM)
Holys***, way to step up there O soto. That car is bad ass!!
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thanks man... has a little baby motor in it... should be fun..
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You know how the little baby motors run.
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there is this little thing someone invented called boost..
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What little motor is that?
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just a little 530 hp 3.5 Honda..
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so thats what 650 to the crank
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 04:05 PM)
530 hp and 500 ft lbs torque at flywheel.. Don says it should out run the LS2 but we will see..
I am more interested in how smooth he says the power is.. he claims they are the best duning motors.. time will tell I guess.. All I know is VW and clogged air bleeds.
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I am more interested in how smooth he says the power is.. he claims they are the best duning motors.. time will tell I guess.. All I know is VW and clogged air bleeds.
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So you can kick my cars ass but it still will not sound like a V-8
QUOTE(Pusher @ Jun 23 2006, 04:17 PM)
well I guess it's time for every one to get headsets so we can all talk trash while duning....... The car I'm looking at has them, I think sickdays has them......Boys????
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Me and dunitic where all ready at last years SSSS but someone said to wait...........
hummmmmmmmmmm I can't remember who can you dunitic..............................
hhhuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmm wasn't it that pusher guy was going to get us a smoking deal or something, oooooooooo well I guess for me its all good or I would have had to take them out the old car to put in the new one............thats right you where trying to save me that head ache huh pusher
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 04:19 PM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 05:13 PM)
QUOTE(dunitic @ Jun 23 2006, 05:07 PM)
How much boost??
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More than you
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I have more cylinders then him too.. oh wait, he doesn't have cylinders..
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Mine still bigger
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 04:32 PM)
igotarail showed up... let the post whoring begin.. 
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I don't know what you are talking about
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 04:33 PM)
I'm ready when ever you are
bring your tools over to dunitics and you can install both of ours and I'll bring the 
I see you made it home.. or are you posting from Lunitics DP again?
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 04:38 PM)
QUOTE(igotarail @ Jun 23 2006, 05:33 PM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 22 2006, 04:49 PM)
OK, now i'm leaving
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It looks like Igotarail is catching up...
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I'm trying .....its alot of catching up to do when the boys make you go out and
then drive someones 
and kids home then have to drive my self home to the southside with all the 5 O out there .....that and I'm ssllllooooowwww
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 04:44 PM)
QUOTE(Pusher @ Jun 23 2006, 05:40 PM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 05:33 PM)
Those are the one we looked at when we where at the ssss last year, that is the brand thats in the car I'm looking at also.....
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Excellent. I guess I知 going to have to read my manual and figure out how to use the car to car part of the radio...
When you order, be sure to get the little button that attaches to your steering wheel. It allows you communicate outside of the car without using the hand held mic, shown in the picture. You just push the button on the wheel and talk through your headset.
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Let me get this right .............I have to push a button on the steering wheel while I'm driving and listen to music or talk to some one else............that sounds like alot of multi-tasking to be asking of me
good thing I'm not leading 
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 04:47 PM)
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 05:44 PM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 05:33 PM)
looks like a nice setup.. how hard does it look to do an install?
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For real...
I would have your builder put it in for you. It will look beter, save you time and i won't have to bring my tools.
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Oopps I guess I sould read everything first
I still think you can do it Sick Dayz
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 04:54 PM)
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 05:53 PM)
QUOTE(Pusher @ Jun 23 2006, 05:51 PM)
anyone up for a couple.... or ???? Mick has a pass........
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or ???? Mick has a pass........[right][snapback]1706702[/snapback][/right]
just opened the 1st one.. where we going?
oohh sucks to be Sick Dayz. he is going to be here all alone.
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Don't worry about me, i'm used to it.
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When you come to the dunes we'll make it up to you and give you lots of
and and 
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 05:02 PM)
L8R boys
Talk to you drunks tomorrow
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Talk to you drunks tomorrow
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Its tomorrow and no one here but me
Almost time to get your arse up and go to Ca. pusher Wakei Wakie
All right I can take a heint....noone wants to talk to me so I'll go to bed
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 24 2006, 12:17 AM)
I see you made it home.. or are you posting from Lunitics DP again?
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HELL NO I'M POSTING FROM HIS BED
I drove his wife and kids home and he didn't show up
Remember I'm her good , other husband that gets no benifits
OPPS!.......think I might have had one too many on the patio last night.
But at least I wasn't drinkin alone........he's not feelin too well either 
Lil punk must have pushed me off the pillows in the middle of the night
Lil punk must have pushed me off the pillows in the middle of the night
Need to go get caught up.....think I left off on page 68
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 01:30 PM)
did anyone know Mick used to be a Tae Kwon Do guy? This is video of his last match.. understandably why he quit http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=73...=genre%3Acomedy
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LMAO.........Now I get why everyone was sayin "why are you done with tae kwon do???"
I think that video was taken last night......my head hurts!!!
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 05:08 PM)
QUOTE(dunitic @ Jun 23 2006, 05:07 PM)
How much boost??
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went to outback today.honda 3.5 stock internals. modifyed honda computer.11lbs boost...and the rods stayed in..................................530hp 500ft torque..John thanks for the dyno session ,,,Don this is the set up i have been running for the last three seasons.
Mornin sick dayz
QUOTE(azcowgirl @ Jun 23 2006, 11:47 PM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 04:44 PM)
QUOTE(Pusher @ Jun 23 2006, 05:40 PM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 05:33 PM)
Those are the one we looked at when we where at the ssss last year, that is the brand thats in the car I'm looking at also.....
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Excellent. I guess I知 going to have to read my manual and figure out how to use the car to car part of the radio...
When you order, be sure to get the little button that attaches to your steering wheel. It allows you communicate outside of the car without using the hand held mic, shown in the picture. You just push the button on the wheel and talk through your headset.
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Can those of us that ride Quads use them too?
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You bet you can
Just click here
QUOTE(Mick @ Jun 24 2006, 07:29 AM)
Mornin sick dayz
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Mornin buddy
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 24 2006, 07:34 AM)
QUOTE(Mick @ Jun 24 2006, 07:29 AM)
Mornin sick dayz
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Mornin buddy
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How often do you make it down to buttercup???
QUOTE(igotarail @ Jun 24 2006, 01:22 AM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 04:44 PM)
QUOTE(Pusher @ Jun 23 2006, 05:40 PM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 05:33 PM)
Those are the one we looked at when we where at the ssss last year, that is the brand thats in the car I'm looking at also.....
[right][snapback]1706688[/snapback][/right]
Excellent. I guess I知 going to have to read my manual and figure out how to use the car to car part of the radio...
When you order, be sure to get the little button that attaches to your steering wheel. It allows you communicate outside of the car without using the hand held mic, shown in the picture. You just push the button on the wheel and talk through your headset.
[right][snapback]1706690[/snapback][/right]
Let me get this right .............I have to push a button on the steering wheel while I'm driving and listen to music or talk to some one else............that sounds like alot of multi-tasking to be asking of me
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NO......... It is much more simple then that
The mic on your headsets is controlled by a squelch. This means you can set it to hear nothing, when it is quite out, or hear music, if you add XM or a ipod. Then, when you speak, the music quiets down and everyone in your car can hear you, you will also here them when they speak.
The button on the steering wheel is only for communicating outside of the car. Like to my car
, or to a radio that we put in camp.Everyone on the same page
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 04:31 PM)
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The engine has the intake reversed too
QUOTE(Mick @ Jun 24 2006, 07:35 AM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 24 2006, 07:34 AM)
QUOTE(Mick @ Jun 24 2006, 07:29 AM)
Mornin sick dayz
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Mornin buddy
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How often do you make it down to buttercup???
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I will be coming down for Halloween, Thanksgiving and a long trip for Christmas/new years, this next season.
Will you be there for these dates?
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 24 2006, 07:40 AM)
QUOTE(igotarail @ Jun 24 2006, 01:22 AM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 04:44 PM)
QUOTE(Pusher @ Jun 23 2006, 05:40 PM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 05:33 PM)
Those are the one we looked at when we where at the ssss last year, that is the brand thats in the car I'm looking at also.....
[right][snapback]1706688[/snapback][/right]
Excellent. I guess I知 going to have to read my manual and figure out how to use the car to car part of the radio...
When you order, be sure to get the little button that attaches to your steering wheel. It allows you communicate outside of the car without using the hand held mic, shown in the picture. You just push the button on the wheel and talk through your headset.
[right][snapback]1706690[/snapback][/right]
Let me get this right .............I have to push a button on the steering wheel while I'm driving and listen to music or talk to some one else............that sounds like alot of multi-tasking to be asking of me
good thing I'm not leading [right][snapback]1707224[/snapback][/right]
NO......... It is much more simple then that
The mic on your headsets is controlled by a squelch. This means you can set it to hear nothing, when it is quite out, or hear music, if you add XM or a ipod. Then, when you speak, the music quiets down and everyone in your car can hear you, you will also here them when they speak.
The button on the steering wheel is only for communicating outside of the car. Like to my car
, or to a radio that we put in camp.Everyone on the same page
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Can you get the in helmet set up for the car also???
New years.....I go the weekend before halloween, And 2 weekends before thanksgiving. Stay away from the big weekends......My youngest is goin into the big dunes now on his quad. I'm a little nervous he'll get hit on the big weekends. On new years we leave the kids at home.
QUOTE(Mick @ Jun 24 2006, 07:43 AM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 24 2006, 07:40 AM)
QUOTE(igotarail @ Jun 24 2006, 01:22 AM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 04:44 PM)
QUOTE(Pusher @ Jun 23 2006, 05:40 PM)
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 23 2006, 05:33 PM)
Those are the one we looked at when we where at the ssss last year, that is the brand thats in the car I'm looking at also.....
[right][snapback]1706688[/snapback][/right]
Excellent. I guess I知 going to have to read my manual and figure out how to use the car to car part of the radio...
When you order, be sure to get the little button that attaches to your steering wheel. It allows you communicate outside of the car without using the hand held mic, shown in the picture. You just push the button on the wheel and talk through your headset.
[right][snapback]1706690[/snapback][/right]
Let me get this right .............I have to push a button on the steering wheel while I'm driving and listen to music or talk to some one else............that sounds like alot of multi-tasking to be asking of me
good thing I'm not leading [right][snapback]1707224[/snapback][/right]
NO......... It is much more simple then that
The mic on your headsets is controlled by a squelch. This means you can set it to hear nothing, when it is quite out, or hear music, if you add XM or a ipod. Then, when you speak, the music quiets down and everyone in your car can hear you, you will also here them when they speak.
The button on the steering wheel is only for communicating outside of the car. Like to my car
, or to a radio that we put in camp.Everyone on the same page
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Can you get the in helmet set up for the car also???
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Sure, there is no reason why you can't.
You can also get the car kit and instead of headsets, get helmet kits, if a guy wanted...
QUOTE(Mick @ Jun 24 2006, 07:46 AM)
New years.....I go the weekend before halloween, And 2 weekends before thanksgiving. Stay away from the big weekends......My youngest is goin into the big dunes now on his quad. I'm a little nervous he'll get hit on the big weekends. On new years we leave the kids at home.
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It looks like I will meet you New Years
We are going to try out St. Anthony痴 the first week of August.
GOOD MORNING SLACKERS
QUOTE(Mick @ Jun 24 2006, 06:24 AM)
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 05:08 PM)
QUOTE(dunitic @ Jun 23 2006, 05:07 PM)
How much boost??
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went to outback today.honda 3.5 stock internals. modifyed honda computer.11lbs boost...and the rods stayed in..................................530hp 500ft torque..John thanks for the dyno session ,,,Don this is the set up i have been running for the last three seasons.
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WTF is out back doing open at 6 am
QUOTE(Sick Dayz @ Jun 24 2006, 06:40 AM)
QUOTE(igotarail @ Jun 24 2006, 01:22 AM)
Let me get this right .............I have to push a button on the steering wheel while I'm driving and listen to music or talk to some one else............that sounds like alot of multi-tasking to be asking of me
good thing I'm not leading [right][snapback]1707224[/snapback][/right]
NO......... It is much more simple then that
The mic on your headsets is controlled by a squelch. This means you can set it to hear nothing, when it is quite out, or hear music, if you add XM or a ipod. Then, when you speak, the music quiets down and everyone in your car can hear you, you will also here them when they speak.
The button on the steering wheel is only for communicating outside of the car. Like to my car
, or to a radio that we put in camp.Everyone on the same page
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Driving B.S.ing with you guys all at the same time sounds like I might be ready to handle that
mornin...
QUOTE(igotarail @ Jun 24 2006, 08:23 AM)
QUOTE(Mick @ Jun 24 2006, 06:24 AM)
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 23 2006, 05:08 PM)
QUOTE(dunitic @ Jun 23 2006, 05:07 PM)
How much boost??
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went to outback today.honda 3.5 stock internals. modifyed honda computer.11lbs boost...and the rods stayed in..................................530hp 500ft torque..John thanks for the dyno session ,,,Don this is the set up i have been running for the last three seasons.
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WTF is out back doing open at 6 am
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That was a cut and paste from a thread in April from Don@sandcars..
It is from a thread talking about Honda motors.It was my motor that he had just finished dynoing..
They also say in that thread that the outback dyno is very stingy
QUOTE(Mick @ Jun 22 2006, 04:43 PM)
Hey....where's Bigmak???
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Im stuck on page 66
QUOTE(Mick @ Jun 24 2006, 09:37 AM)
They also say in that thread that the outback dyno is very stingy
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dyno numbers don't really mean squat... I know it is the tool to dial the car in, but I have seen motors with big numbers get stomped by cars with less HP..
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 24 2006, 12:09 PM)
QUOTE(Mick @ Jun 24 2006, 09:37 AM)
They also say in that thread that the outback dyno is very stingy
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dyno numbers don't really mean squat... I know it is the tool to dial the car in, but I have seen motors with big numbers get stomped by cars with less HP..
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So I might have a chance against you
After all I did beat dunitic one time at the drags
You guys are killing me! I logged on to this post and said hello, then I am off the computer for one day. So I logged into my email address to see I have 236(yes 236) unread email messages. Everytime someone added to this link glamisdunes sends me an email to let me know. I just figured out how to turn that off, thank god.
I find myself reading these like a soccer mom and her soap operas. Reality internet, got to love it.
Mr. Folely - Very nice ride, from the little speck in your rear view mirror in the whoops!
I'll log in tomorrow for all the latest gossip. Have a great day all!
DPC
I find myself reading these like a soccer mom and her soap operas. Reality internet, got to love it.
Mr. Folely - Very nice ride, from the little speck in your rear view mirror in the whoops!
I'll log in tomorrow for all the latest gossip. Have a great day all!
DPC
QUOTE(igotarail @ Jun 24 2006, 01:02 PM)
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 24 2006, 12:09 PM)
QUOTE(Mick @ Jun 24 2006, 09:37 AM)
They also say in that thread that the outback dyno is very stingy
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dyno numbers don't really mean squat... I know it is the tool to dial the car in, but I have seen motors with big numbers get stomped by cars with less HP..
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So I might have a chance against you
After all I did beat dunitic one time at the drags
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KEY word (one) Everyone misses a shift once.
aaaarrrr cartain
DPC You got a little mail???
QUOTE(dunitic @ Jun 24 2006, 02:13 PM)
QUOTE(igotarail @ Jun 24 2006, 01:02 PM)
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Jun 24 2006, 12:09 PM)
QUOTE(Mick @ Jun 24 2006, 09:37 AM)
They also say in that thread that the outback dyno is very stingy
[right][snapback]1707407[/snapback][/right]
[right][snapback]1707407[/snapback][/right]
dyno numbers don't really mean squat... I know it is the tool to dial the car in, but I have seen motors with big numbers get stomped by cars with less HP..
[right][snapback]1707559[/snapback][/right]
So I might have a chance against you
After all I did beat dunitic one time at the drags
[right][snapback]1707588[/snapback][/right]
KEY word (one) Everyone misses a shift once.
aaaarrrr cartain[right][snapback]1707817[/snapback][/right]
So thats your excuse now ........I thought it was because you shut down at half track
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