Have you ever thought if you had an unlimited budget what kind of wild buggy you could build? I sure have. For instance. How about a custom made trans that could accept two engines, one mid-mounted and hidden under a cover, and one rear-mounted? It would be expensive, but could be done. Have the mid-mounted hidden engine a real killer, like 600-800 horsepower, and the rear engine a more mild 300hp engine. That way, people with fast buggies would want to race you, thinking you only had a 300hp engine. Little do they know you really have 900-1100hp!

Or my other idea is an Indy car engine in a buggy, detuned slightly for reliability. It may not be the fastest at the dunes, but it sure would draw attention. Of course, the trans would need really low gears since they spin so much rpm, but that could be done.

Any of you have other wild ideas? :shock:

It'd be a lot easier and cheaper to just bolt on a fake gutted out engine in the rear with some pulleys spinning somehow for show and the 800hp hidden engine doing all the work, even pumping out it's exhaust through the fake engine's. The fun part would be trying the hide a 800hp engine!

How about 2 turbo 3-rotorers on alcohol: one for each tire. That sounds like fun. Ok maybe you could hide one of them...

Just because I'm a little different, two buggy's

Jaguar 7.0 Liter V-12 in front engined rail, just because they sound so sweet.

Infiniti IRL powered SU car.......

Geez Doug!

You really need to get that tranny fixed. first it was the "Who is the slowest duner on the Board?" thread with the "slow can be fun" quote. That gave me visions of you taking a leisurely stroll thru the dunes gaily plucking PMV bouquets to give to our favorite enviroNazi. Blecchhh! :roll2:

And now this thread! A hidden 800hp engine in a rail? Hell, I'm trying to figure out where to mount an amp, 4 speakers and a sub in a 4 seater. If you can hide a whole motor, gimme a hand!

Oh yeah, it was great seeing you and Cortni again! The entire weekend was fantastic! :dance:

Unlimited budget huh? I don't have much imagination, so I'd go with a twin turbo LS1 with nitrous, AGB tranny mounted in a 1600lb, 26in. travel 4 seater with the plushest suspension money could buy. Of course, somebody's probably already done it, and then some. :bounce:

R, Steve

We are working on one of those wild buggies.. It a Twin turbo Twin Supercharged 428 ci with a Fortin Auto with paddle shifter.

Look for it in a few months.

Paddle shift would be sweet. That way you can just plant your feet to the floor and hold on Have to go with the trigger throttle too.

engine is a 514cid Ford Motorsport crate engine. The engine with cobrajet heads was rated 650HP on pumpgas. We got the D version with the Super Cobra Jet heads ... at least 750HP on pumpgas connected to beefed up manual shifted Turbo 400 and our usual Quickchange

and for the hills it will get little NOS help. :hot:

that's a wild machine

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that's a wild machine  :lol:

Only a duner would have a V8 engine next to the Oriental rug!

Looks like he can work on motors and do laundry at the same time.

GOT NOS?

Didn't Chuck at dunebuggy.com do a thread about this before?

I want a buggy with a FERRARI engine in it!!!!!!!!!!!! They just sound so bitchin!!!!With huge amounts of travel, and an indestructible tranny :shock: . THEN I will be ready to race! :twisted: :burn: :cheese:

I am more into duning than dragging so, my dream car would be a long travel 4seater, Scat V4 fuel injected with a paxton supercharger running moderate boost for awsome torque,fortin auto with paddle shifter,thumpin system, GPS, HIDs,large cooler for refreshments :beer: ,heated seats,all rapped up in a bitchin paint scheme. :bounce:

Well, the motor looks good, if a little heavy.

But that chassis might need a little help...

R, Steve

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engine is a 514cid Ford Motorsport crate engine. The engine with cobrajet heads was rated 650HP on pumpgas. We got the D version with the Super Cobra Jet heads ... at least 750HP on pumpgas connected to beefed up manual shifted Turbo 400 and our usual Quickchange

and for the hills it will get little NOS help. :hot:

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There ya go Steve - just think like Jesse James. Stick on fat paddle on the rear with a seat over the tranny, toss some forks up front. Then ditch the training wheels and you'll have a boss hoss chopper on nitrous for the dunes

You guys are funny :mrgreen:

Hope get finally the new digital cam for sharp pics.

And yeah the car will be fourseater longtravel with still perfect 50/50 weight distribution, King bypass all around ... so it will be a wild dunner, will jump wild and going smooth over razors , but also not too slow up the hill.



can't wait to see it dunning :hot:

That would be sweet, 50/50 weight distribution! What are you expecting wheelbase to be to achieve that with a 4 seater?

One of the these days I've gotta see one of your rails in action at G. I can bring a digital cam and a DV cam for some great pics and footage if you like.

R, Steve

Steve 50/50 isn't that hard with front mounted motors. Matt's buggy is within 100lbs of being 50/50 - and with him in it is probably dead on.

Yet some builders will tell you that a front motor makes it way too heavy. The scales don't lie - a front mounted V8 can actually be better balanced than a rear or mid.

New v-link Mid-engine s/u with outback motor sequential trans!... :burn: :burn: :burn: :burn: :burn:

tight tight..........
maybe the you wont kill my bike

Run whatever engine and tranny package you want but, keep it under aluminum panels so that nothing can be seen. Just imagine all the rumers and stories of what your running in that bad a$$ rail. Kind of like sex.

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New v-link Mid-engine s/u with outback motor sequential trans!... :burn:  :burn:  :burn:  :burn:  :burn:

Hey don't be giving away any info about the new rail yet!

Outback, are you copying me?

I would like to copy that idea........

hahanice subjectt... first one would have to be a turbine powered motor haha WEEEEEE

2nd...

long travel seater sportin a...Mclaren f1 motor.... send it to an engine shop to get MAXXX power outof it....with haha hmm 1000 SHOT OF NOS WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.....

now then..... any one want to rave my mclaren or turbine powered rail...il be waiting for you at the drags in my dream tonight

I think that I would build a VW 1.8 TDI with twin turbos and 40 pounds of boost and a nice little propane injection system in a long travel frame :shock: Lightweight,for the most part indestructable and will last 100k miles- The only problem tha I see is building a trans to keep up with it- I can say that I think that I would have the only diesel powered buggy in the dunes (dont think that anyone else would be wacked out enough to think up this one) :roll2:
Jamie

Not the only one Jamie, I've seen photos of a diesel buggy over on sandrail.com before. Would definately be different though.

But if you're going to to tweaked out diesel why not really go tweaked out diesel:
http://www.bankspower.com/Sidewinder.cfm

Another one back to the front.

A Funco Gen 4 with a titanium frame and anything else titanium. Wonder how much lighter that would make it? Of course a killer Subie with a spare motor and a Fortin or Albins. Custom billet wheels and enough HIDs to light up a small city.
Paint job would be from that guy that does the cool flames. (I think he was on Rides and they showed a customer with several vehicles including a helicopter) I would also make it street legal and drive my kids to school at least once a week

How about having tandem paddles? the rear-most paddles could turn SLIGHTLY to assist in the overall steering of the car.



Then there is the NEXT STEP in shifting.... completely electric shifted tranny with shift buttons ON THE STEERING WHEEL. Hello F1 off road!

Ok, Ill throw in. How about a fully enclosed rail with tinted glass, CD player and a super cool AC system so that I could dune all summer long on unmarked sand!!!!

This is actually a very doable idea. The milder v8 cars could easlily run a
compressor. Instead of glass you could use the clear vinyl like on boats.
We had a Sea Ray with stand up canopy and clear curtains. Even in a bad rain
storm there was only a few minor leaks. You would need a windshield and of course the floor would all need to be sealed. Then just add some removable ducts.

How about a four seater with a Fortin five speed sequential, a 621 cubic inch all aluminum BBC with a lightened crank, titanium rods, titanium valves, 12 degree Pro stock heads, Wilson high rise sheet metal intake manifold with Big Stuff III EFI and a dry sump system. Wait a minute, I think I am already having that built.
Next season is going to be great!!!!!!!

We want to do a 50's style rat rod buggy. Flat black chassis, white wall paddles, tuck and roll red & white interior, old school red and white pin striping, flathead V8 w/ the new style fuel injected stromberg carbs and with those zoomie headers, moon style wheels ( i think i'm going to have to machine a custom domed cover for that). Tall shifter with a Tiki head for the shift knob. Figure some way to incorporate a round aluminum fuel tank that stands out.

What do you think about that?

Big Daddy would be proud.

That would be pretty cool. Definitely unique.

I have often thought that a Northstar could be dressed up to look like a very convincing flathead. Could be VERY cool.

Could the intakes be done to look just like Strombergs? Maybe even use a Stromberg body???

I think you'd be better off just to start off with the Ford Motor vs trying to modify a Northstar. Simply because it would be more authentic. I've talked with a couple companies that have this block in aluminum. It's expensive but "if money was not object". I would just run a steel block and compensate the additional weight with a valving change and a spring change. There's an aftermarket stromburg fuel injection setup that's pretty cool. Definitely use that.

Here's some pics of the fuel injection

I wonder how hard it would be to fab up some air cleaners that would keep the sand out but not change the look too much?

If I had unlimited funds, I'd build a mid engine 2 seater.

26" of travel front & rear.
800hp turbo LS2 or similar.
No transaxle or axles or CVs.
4 speed trans feeding twin hydraulic pumps.
Large flex lines feeding hydraulic motors serving as the hubs.

I think this is doable, and would eliminate travel, angle, CV and transaxle issues. You could package the motor in the optimum location based on weight distribution and merely run the lines to where they need to go.

Depending on pump weight and hydraulic motor weight, it might actually save a bit of weight, unsprung and overall.

Some inspiration

I've already talke with moon about that. They have a dual filter system that they said would work. Throw an outerwear over it and you should be in good shape.

I'm sorry, but I must have missed something growing up. Those old classics just don't do anything for me.

I do marvel in awe at the beauty of the paint job and the painstaking attention to detail the owners have lavished on the show cars, but it doesn't do anything for me in terms of a sandrail.

Show me a cutaway drawing of Robbie Gordon's trophy truck or a Desert Dynamics chassis with no bodywork, and my eyes glitter. To me, I guess the beauty is in pure design of the vehicle for it's purpose.

I love the looks of a Ferrari or a 300SL Gullwing, but would never dream of taking one offroad, only on a road course. JMHO.

How 'bout Lukes Landspeeder! an anti-gravity vehicle that runs a couple of feet above the plane. a REAL powerful hovercraft that won't blow the sand everywhere. could you imagine getting WAY sideways on a dune w/ NO roost? Or jammin down the drags and pitching it sideways while still keeping your staight line. Your hottie passenger could flash both sides on ONE pass!
Unlimited funds, right? Well with enough funds, I bet the technology could work. Might cost Bill Gates type of money, but what the hell....

would be awesome but the 6 cly cummins weighs in at 950 pounds with out accys

Very interesting idea. Eliminates the major limitation. Now if we can get the electro-magnetic shocks for the active suspension.

How about AWD Ford Cosworth powered Funco Hustler. Upwards of a 1000 HP out of a 4 cyl and AWD to boot?

Probably be too "Peaky".

Alan... that injection looks COOL!!!, but I still think a Northstar base dressed to look like a flathead (I think this is VERY do-able) would be uch more reliable and perfor much better then the flathead.




AWD??? I think that is the wave of the future for sand...