Moto13
May 27 2003, 02:35 PM
Does anyone know anybody that has put a street bike motor into a Raptor?
Most of you probably already know about my project, but some don't. I am putting a GSXR 1000 in a Raptor and the time has come to put it together.
I think I have just about everything I need now. So I would really like to talk to someone who has actually done it. I'm a little concerned with the motor placement inside a Raptor frame.
Sandho
May 27 2003, 02:56 PM
Your not doubting your abilities now are you Crash???? :roll: .......j/k :rollsmile:
I thought you were putting that into a mini-rail and that's why you snagged the smoothies I wanted.....
Moto13
May 27 2003, 03:05 PM
I was going to, then decided I didn't want a mini rail. Want a full size rail.
And no, do not doubt my abilities in any way shape or form.
But even great minds like myself, still have something to learn from someone. :dis:
I still have those smoothies...
Chummin
May 27 2003, 03:31 PM
Dude, a little duct tape and a hammer is all we need. Wheres the beer??
MichaelAZ
May 27 2003, 03:58 PM
Actually the raptor motor IS a street bike motor from europe, think it was called the scorpion. been around awile from what I heard.
KingGlamis
May 27 2003, 04:41 PM
| QUOTE |
Does anyone know anybody that has put a street bike motor into a Raptor?
I'm a little concerned with the motor placement inside a Raptor frame. |
Never seen a Raptor conversion, but have seen several other quads with street bike motors. Things that come to mind are front/rear weight bias, countershaft sprocket location, and of course, fitting the engine in with the least possible frame mods. It also depends on how you intend to use it, how long the swingarm will be, etc. With that much power, placing the motor as far forward as possibly seems logical. But if you intend to jump it you would want more of a 50/50 weight balance. I'm no expert on these conversions, just throwing out some ideas. Good luck with the project.
DUNE
May 27 2003, 05:03 PM
The hard part will be making the motor mounts that line up the front sprocket to the rear. If they are off just a little you will have a chain that will fly off the sprockets and brake a hole in your case. do you plan on using the stock radiator in your frame??
Moto13
May 28 2003, 08:14 AM
Tom, have you ever seen a Raptor radiator? How about a GSXR 1000 radiator. A stock GSXR radiator has about 3 times the capacity of a stock raptor radiator. Still working on the cooling issue. Not concerned about motor mounts and chain alignment, that parts easy. I'm more concerned with the placement of the sprocket within that plane, i.e. relative to the swingarm pivot bolt.
KG, a couple of months ago, I apparently had just missed someone at olds with a GSXR motor in a Raptor, need/want to find out who and where he is. Really like to talk to him. It's easy to put the motor in and build a custom quad, I'm trying to keep it as stock lookin as possible. I want people to look at it from a distance and see a Raptor, not a custom drag quad or something like that. Untill it starts, noone ever really know the difference unless they really look at it.
Michael, I've heard about that too. Used to be really big into street bikes, I think it actually originated in Italy. Do some searchs on XTZ 660 and SZR 660 if you want to find out more. Don't get to into it though, anything made by Yamaha is liable to :grenade:
Chum, grab the beer I got duct tape and hammer!!! :beer: :beer: :beer: :mrgreen:
DUNE
May 28 2003, 08:31 AM
Damn I wish I lived closer to you guys, I would love to see this thing come together... Crash keep us updated would ya, post some pics if you can...
Poiks
May 28 2003, 08:39 AM
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| Dude, a little duct tape and a hammer is all we need. Wheres the beer?? :D |
Don't forget zip-ties. You can build anything with zip-ties. 8)
MichaelAZ
May 28 2003, 08:43 AM
now I know what bike you seen ! it was MLK weekend at 4swII. It was super clean and looked awesome, I'll look for pics of it.
Chummin
May 28 2003, 08:53 AM
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| QUOTE | | Dude, a little duct tape and a hammer is all we need. Wheres the beer?? :D |
Don't forget zip-ties. You can build anything with zip-ties. 8) |
Thanks Poiks, just tossed a box of them in the back of the truck..
gettin the motor in was easy, like Crashy said.. its the alignment of both sprockets around the swing arm bolts that could prove to be a real problem.. I tol him to use Zip Ties to hold the chain for clearence... just might work.
Moto13
May 28 2003, 10:15 AM
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| now I know what bike you seen ! it was MLK weekend at 4swII. It was super clean and looked awesome, I'll look for pics of it. |
Michael, any info would GREATLY be appreciated. I didn't actually see it, someone who knew about what I was doing, told me. MLK sounds about right, what is 4swII though?
MichaelAZ
May 28 2003, 11:26 AM
four stroke wars II, it was several hundred of the fastest of the fastest 4strokes from around the usa who came to play that weekend. Im on it for the pics.
SAL
May 28 2003, 06:19 PM
Hey Crash,
last time I looked there was a Banshee on eBay for sale with an R6 (I believe) motor in it... try finding that bike and then contact the guy selling it and see if he gives you any feedback. Hope this helps, big guy
KingGlamis
May 28 2003, 06:56 PM
[quote]gettin the motor in was easy, like Crashy said.. its the alignment of both sprockets around the swing arm bolts that could prove to be a real problem.[/quote]
Crash and Chummin... I gather you are talking about the relationship between the countershaft sprocket and the swingarm pivot bolt. Obviously this is very important, but it is also fairly easy to figure out. Just mount the engine so the countershaft sprocket is as close to the factory location as possible, and if you need to, add a chain slider or tensioner. If you are talking about side to side location, that can be much harder to figure out.
DUNE
May 28 2003, 10:10 PM
Ck this out, it's called an AMPLINK. I fits around the swing arm pivot point and has two small sprockets one on top and one on the bottom of the pivot area. If you can make it work it just might fix your alinement problem...
http://www.dirt-deals.com/mySearchResult.c...3&productID=796
Scroll to the bottom of the page and click onto page 3. then scroll down to the word "amp link".
MichaelAZ
May 29 2003, 03:05 PM
Heres the pics of the bike at glamis:
Look at the super clean install on this motor ,no "southern engineering" whatsoever on this bad boy.
Thanks to blueleader for hooking me up with the pics.
[img]http://www.arrowheadconcrete.com/quads/4full.jpg[/img]
Other pics
http://www.arrowheadconcrete.com/quads/4left.jpg
http://www.arrowheadconcrete.com/quads/4right.jpg
http://www.arrowheadconcrete.com/quads/4swingarm.jpg
Moto13
May 29 2003, 03:16 PM
Micheal, thanks for the pics.
From the looks of it though, that's an old school FZR600 motor.
I may be wrong, but it's definately way smaller than my motor.
Shane-0
May 29 2003, 07:18 PM
Hmmm... I see air cooled 1200R sloping downward from the gas tank to below the seat. Might be an FJ1200 engine??
RRon3
May 29 2003, 10:02 PM
That is a very clean looking install. It must be insane to ride with that swing arm :shock:
drgbanshee
May 30 2003, 04:15 PM
why dont you can the street bike motor idea and turbo your 660, you will save the weight, and prob make almost the same power. The only way that I would have a street bike motor in my quad is if it had a turbo. forced induction all the way.
Fireballsocal
May 30 2003, 05:04 PM
Crash, how about using a jack shaft? It's a small shaft mounted transversly behind the engine. The engine drives one end via chain and the other end is cut to the length you need with another sprocket on the end connected to the main drive chain. It won't be as clean an install as your looking for but you won't have that big engine canted over to the left side either.
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