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'Alarmist' Global Warming Claims Unfounded Says Climatolgist
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
July 14, 2003
Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Climatologist Patrick J. Michaels told a Capitol Hill luncheon Friday that the fears of catastrophic global warming are scientifically unfounded and 'alarmist.' Michaels also declared that any climate change that does occur would not impact the Earth or its inhabitants in any significant way.
"The science is settled in a very non-alarmist way," Michaels told CNSNews.com. Michaels predicted that his message would not be well received by many in the climate debate.
"A non-alarmist way is politically very unpopular in Washington, D.C.," he said.
Michaels, author of the book Satanic Gasses: Clearing the Air about Global Warming and an environmental sciences professor at the University of Virginia, was the featured speaker at a luncheon sponsored by the Cato Institute on Friday.
"Scientific data really tells us how much it is going to warm over the next 100 years, and it's going to be at the low end of the projections, and people will adapt as long as their economies are free. We have been adapting for a long time," Michaels explained.
Michaels said he expects a negligible warm-up and pointed to the past 100 years as proof that any effects of potential increased global temperatures are going to be negligible.
"As the planet warmed up about one degree Fahrenheit in the last 100 years, the life span in the industrialized democracies went from 40 to 80 [years], and crop yields doubled. Global warming did not cause that, but it didn't stop it either," Michaels said.
Instead of being concerned about potential climate change, people should "worry about something that is really a serious problem," he added.
The whole climate change debate is over, according to Michaels.
"You would think I would tire of shooting fish in barrels, but it's still fun and that is what's going on here [with the climate debate]," Michaels said.
'Heads in the sand'
Debbie Boger, an energy expert with the Sierra Club, dismissed Michaels' claims that the global warming debate is over.
"We need to remember both the National Academy of Sciences and the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) have both come out with reports saying global warming is a real phenomenon, caused by human-made emissions and will have real consequences," Boger told CNSNews.com.
"To say there will be not be consequences is putting our heads in the sand," she added.
Michaels called the persistent belief in catastrophic global warming "a religion" and said that is why he has faced so much opposition to his scientific work.
"If you say something against a religion, people yell out at you. People wonder why I drive a [low emission] hybrid car -- they would never blow up a hybrid car," he said to laughter.
'A couple billion dollars'
Michaels outlined three periods of atmospheric change in the last 100 years of U.S. history, noting a warming in the first part of the 20th century, a cooling in the middle part of the century and a warming in the latter part of the century.
"There is the cooling of the mid-20th century that gave rise to congressional hearings in the mid-1970s about the coming ice age, and [scientists were asked], 'Could you use a couple billion dollars to study this?'" Michaels said.
The money politicized the scientific process and "consume[d] billions of dollars of your money," he said.
"The more money you throw at [climate science], the less certainty you get. If you shut off all the money, the scientists would probably all agree," he added.
The real scientific proof that man could not impact our environment with greenhouse gas emissions in any catastrophic way already exits, Michaels believes.
Paleo records indicate that the concentration of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was up to 14 times higher than it is today when the Earth was but 8 degrees Celsius warmer than it is today," Michaels said, referring to the climate of millions of years ago.
There is no way we can get the Earth that hot again, he said -- even "if we burn everything as fast as we could," he added.
And the Earth was not unpleasant during the period of high CO2 concentrations and higher temperatures, according to Michaels.
"The planet was greener than a [casino] crap table. That is where all that coal came from that we are burning now," he explained.
Michaels does not expect the media to portray climate change as anything but catastrophic. "The media are either very untrained in the field or really are looking the other way," Michaels said.
"Unfortunately, they have pumped this [alarmist] mindset up so much that it is very clear that people are beginning to get...apocalyptic fatigue," he added.
'Plutonian global warming'
Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the free-market environmental think tank Competitive Enterprise Institute, attended the luncheon and pointed to the recent scientific indications that the planet Pluto is warming up despite moving away from the sun.
"Pluto's warm-up is a reminder that no matter where you are climate happens. It always has, it always will -- with or without SUVs. And it should remind us to continue taking with an ever-increasing grain of salt these claims that your car acts as a weather machine," Horner said.
Horner also predicted that it would not be long before environmentalists came up with a theory on why Pluto was warming.
"There will be inevitably and likely imminent claims that mankind is also causing Plutonian global warming," he said.
Full Version: Further debunking alarmist predictions
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Senior Staff Writer -- Marc Morano, previously known as Rush Limbaugh’s “Man in Washington,” joins CNSNews.com after serving as correspondent and producer for American Investigator, the nationally syndicated TV newsmagazine. His investigative reporting included exclusives on organic food safety and his exposé on the true status of the Amazon rain forest. Marc was also a reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show from 1992 to 1996, and he holds the distinction of being the first journalist in history to have his video camera seized by the Clinton White House while on assignment.
http://www.intwg.com/trolls.htm
An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.
Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.
Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.
Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.
An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.
Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.
Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.
Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.
Rickie Blue-Sky #W-20937
Blue sky's likes/priorities.....
American Indian religious ceremonies, and the love of my mother.
Most of my time, after my prison assigned program, is spent researching in the prison law library attempting to over-turn the conviction which has wrongly imprisoned me. I have continued to maintain my innocence from the beginning of this ordeal.
The wrongful conviction perpetrated against me was achieved because of my transgender (female-to-male) /Two-Spirit nature, Forensic Fraud and Junk Science, evidence fabrication, and prosecutorial misconduct. The prosecutor made numerous remarks about my masculinity and unusual lifestyle through my trial. I will fight this wrong until I am able to gain my freedom.
I hope to be able to complete some college courses while in prison. I have been seeking scholarships to be able to do so. My conviction interrupted a college education in veterinary medicine.
My hobbies: Traditional and modern beaded jewelry and accessories; hand carved and tooled leather; and participation in drumming circle when possible. Occasionally, I do some pen and ink drawings.
My dreams: Gain my freedom; care for my elderly mother, who is my hero; and achieve a master’s degree from college.
I can see myself doing some long distance horseback trail riding when I am free.
I love the country outdoors, and camping. The trees of the forest have always been my friends. I spent a lot of time in, a sitting under, the trees during my youth…dreaming while carving on a piece of wood and sanding it. Maybe you would like to be my friend, too? I look forward to hearing from you.
Blue sky's likes/priorities.....
American Indian religious ceremonies, and the love of my mother.
Most of my time, after my prison assigned program, is spent researching in the prison law library attempting to over-turn the conviction which has wrongly imprisoned me. I have continued to maintain my innocence from the beginning of this ordeal.
The wrongful conviction perpetrated against me was achieved because of my transgender (female-to-male) /Two-Spirit nature, Forensic Fraud and Junk Science, evidence fabrication, and prosecutorial misconduct. The prosecutor made numerous remarks about my masculinity and unusual lifestyle through my trial. I will fight this wrong until I am able to gain my freedom.
I hope to be able to complete some college courses while in prison. I have been seeking scholarships to be able to do so. My conviction interrupted a college education in veterinary medicine.
My hobbies: Traditional and modern beaded jewelry and accessories; hand carved and tooled leather; and participation in drumming circle when possible. Occasionally, I do some pen and ink drawings.
My dreams: Gain my freedom; care for my elderly mother, who is my hero; and achieve a master’s degree from college.
I can see myself doing some long distance horseback trail riding when I am free.
I love the country outdoors, and camping. The trees of the forest have always been my friends. I spent a lot of time in, a sitting under, the trees during my youth…dreaming while carving on a piece of wood and sanding it. Maybe you would like to be my friend, too? I look forward to hearing from you.
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at the top of the tree lies the almighty dollar. The scientist wanna climb the tree, but, if caught, think up some hoodle doodle to excuse their reason for being there. They want you to believe that they are there studying the rings, and that the dollar just happened to be in the way, so they removed it and put it in their pocket. The enviro climbs the tree to get the dollar, but they too need a reason to be doing so. So they think, and come up with protecting the tree. Thats why they are there. And the dollar, well, its trash that is taking away the beauty of the natural environment, so, they rationalize, they need to remove it, and kindly stick it in their pocket. The lawyer, well, he sees this and thinks, I want a piece, so, I will sue the owner of the tree, in case someone falls down. So up he goes, to get the two to sign his representation decree.
Along comes the off roader, sees all this and thinks, what the hell? When he looks up the tree, he does not see faces. He sees 3 a$$holes.....all with their own reasons, employment get it bluesky........???????
Along comes the off roader, sees all this and thinks, what the hell? When he looks up the tree, he does not see faces. He sees 3 a$$holes.....all with their own reasons, employment get it bluesky........???????
Big Had tried to write a parable.
Trees have $ value to the logging industry
why does the scientist want to climb the tree? is this symbolism for saying that science exists to make money for scientists? In our present day economy we do see scientists working for corporations trying to find $ applications for new inventions and drugs, but in the field of ecology the studies are funded by non-profit entities.
what does this mean? that in Big Had's world environmentalists are in it for the money? Hard to believe that some people really are genuinely concerned about the health of our planet and its people.
As far as the off-roader goes, he doesn't even see the tree or the dollar. He is an unsuspecting cog in the machinery of the corporations and enterprises that make, sell and repair off-road vehicles. They are the ones who will cut down all the symbolic "trees" in their quest to be the one with the most dollars.
Get it Had?
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Trees have $ value to the logging industry
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why does the scientist want to climb the tree? is this symbolism for saying that science exists to make money for scientists? In our present day economy we do see scientists working for corporations trying to find $ applications for new inventions and drugs, but in the field of ecology the studies are funded by non-profit entities.
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what does this mean? that in Big Had's world environmentalists are in it for the money? Hard to believe that some people really are genuinely concerned about the health of our planet and its people.
As far as the off-roader goes, he doesn't even see the tree or the dollar. He is an unsuspecting cog in the machinery of the corporations and enterprises that make, sell and repair off-road vehicles. They are the ones who will cut down all the symbolic "trees" in their quest to be the one with the most dollars.
Get it Had?
http://www.intwg.com/trolls.htm
An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.
Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.
Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.
Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.
The best response is no response. Please don't feed the troll.
An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.
Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.
Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.
Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.
The best response is no response. Please don't feed the troll.
golly Bluesky....always taking others quotes and running with them, kinda like all your spew. So, enough of the tit-for-tat. Tell, me, how would you see the world? If you could sculpture the next 100 years, where would we be?
I realize this is probably a question you cannot answer.
BECAUSE I AM ASKING YOU TO THINK ON YOUR OWN!!!!!!!
Something that you don't know how to do, hence, the "so and so wrote" crap.
Actually, you are a person who strikes me as a person who hates humans... so please, do tell....how would the world be if you could control it? You obviously are against progress, you would have to be, because it takes using the world's resources to continue going ahead.
I really wanna know. So go now, tell me..
by the way, I am puzzled by your resistance to leave this Country. Are you aware that you could live in Cambodia, where there are pratically no cogs on vehicles "destroying the earth".
Another note, enviro person, why don't you quit taking all your meds, because, after all, animals were used to develop them...oh wait, you like staying alive, don't you...ah, the freedoms of America....something people like you want to take away from others who don't agree with you.
I would be ticked off if they wanted to make Yellowstone an OHV area...see..I too am an Enviro...just not of the neo-nazi mentality as yours....so tell me, how would this world be?? Tell me where the equality for all would be? You do realize that people like you would have us living in caves still, right? LA would never have been built...nothing would have occurred, because everything uses the land resources. I just can't see how my dirtbike "kills" everything and earthmovers don't? Oh wait, enjoying a sport does not make direct money, but, say, building homes and removing complete forests does....like I said, its all about employment........so go on, tell us, you got a lot to bitch about, now, say your proposed resolutions to your bitch... I am listening... keep in mind the affects of your response. off roading is a huge employment/commodity. So , when you stop it, do include your plans to re-direct the millions of people out of work, unless you intend to collapse the mighty American Empire..which would make you an exposed Nazi....
I realize this is probably a question you cannot answer.
BECAUSE I AM ASKING YOU TO THINK ON YOUR OWN!!!!!!!
Something that you don't know how to do, hence, the "so and so wrote" crap.
Actually, you are a person who strikes me as a person who hates humans... so please, do tell....how would the world be if you could control it? You obviously are against progress, you would have to be, because it takes using the world's resources to continue going ahead.
I really wanna know. So go now, tell me..
by the way, I am puzzled by your resistance to leave this Country. Are you aware that you could live in Cambodia, where there are pratically no cogs on vehicles "destroying the earth".
Another note, enviro person, why don't you quit taking all your meds, because, after all, animals were used to develop them...oh wait, you like staying alive, don't you...ah, the freedoms of America....something people like you want to take away from others who don't agree with you.
I would be ticked off if they wanted to make Yellowstone an OHV area...see..I too am an Enviro...just not of the neo-nazi mentality as yours....so tell me, how would this world be?? Tell me where the equality for all would be? You do realize that people like you would have us living in caves still, right? LA would never have been built...nothing would have occurred, because everything uses the land resources. I just can't see how my dirtbike "kills" everything and earthmovers don't? Oh wait, enjoying a sport does not make direct money, but, say, building homes and removing complete forests does....like I said, its all about employment........so go on, tell us, you got a lot to bitch about, now, say your proposed resolutions to your bitch... I am listening... keep in mind the affects of your response. off roading is a huge employment/commodity. So , when you stop it, do include your plans to re-direct the millions of people out of work, unless you intend to collapse the mighty American Empire..which would make you an exposed Nazi....
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So is the defense industry. However, its products are made to kill people en masse. If we had intelligent leadership and a sensible application of the laws, we wouldn't need to employ so much of our resources on a prdouct like weapons. Just because it's a huge industry doesn't mean we have to keep it funded with our tax dollars--or does it?
Off road vehicles have serious side effects on the world around us. EVERYBODY'S environment. Noise, pollution, dust, and the heavy effects on the native wildlife of our natural areas are side effects we don't have to live with. Our patience, quality of life and natural landscapes are the raw materials that contribute to the off-road industry's profits.
Solutions?
1. get permission to night ride in a covered landfill.
2. buy up a vacant Kmart and put in an urban MX track surrounded by sound walls and wet down by water trucks.
3. Restrict and resist further degradation of our natural environment by thoughtless riders more interested in their vehicles than in the wonder of the places they ride.
I don't get it - every now and then this forum lights up as if there was a new post but I just don't see anything new here?
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I have noticed that too. Something in the PHP code maybe?
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Huh? :?
Slappy must have installed a beefed-up BS detector 
That was my manual bs detector. Took me a while because every letter is accounted for (I think) and replaced with the ***'s. :mrgreen:
I don't know what to say.
[quote]That was my manual bs detector. Took me a while because every letter is accounted for (I think) and replaced with the ***'s. :mrgreen:[/quote]
A guy has way too much time on his hands. :cheese:
A guy has way too much time on his hands. :cheese:
I didn't realize it would take so long. :mrgreen:
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