I just got my hands on a BLM Draft Business plan.

Lots of interesting things inside.
Here's my views and some interesting stuff.


For one, The Vendor situation is as Mike Gilmore relates to us in a related thread.
Vendors will be relegated three miles away from the Glamis Beach Store because the GBS cried foul, and felt they were loosing business from the vendors. I would only shop at the GBS if it was the last place at the ISDRA to get something!

Vendor costs breakdown (for the estimated 20 approved BLM vendor permits)
$15 daily fee non weekend = 120 days times $15= $1800
$160 one time vendor fee $ 160
$500 per holiday weekend (6 total) $3000
$250 per non holiday weekend (approx 28 total) $5500
Total is over $10,000 this for a one vendor area. (they expect twenty?)

Quoting now, the BLM:
"we do not expect to sell out the vending locations for a few years"
My comment: No sheioot, maybe you'll never sell one permit?
The costs they expect to implement this plan are added up to $191,800. So the BLM unless completely full of vendors will be running the vendor ship at a loss.
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They admit the honor system of paying (Use Permits) does not work, but where are they getting the money for the implementation of the new collection system?

Estimated budget for ISDRA is $3.5 million ($3,500,000)/2 Mil for law enforcement. By splitting out the costs from the ongoing Operations and Maintenance budget they came up with the fees they will charge this year. $180 for a Use Permit for all days during the season. $60 for a long holiday weekends pass (BLM quote: " problem weekend permit") . $60 non holiday weekend yearly pass; and $30 for a weekend pass. The BLM/TRT/ and other "on ground' users believe that non compliance of Use Fees occur during non holiday weekends.
So I would expect more checking for the Use Pass on these off weekends.
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Traffic Counters will be installed no later than Oct first.

On Holiday Weekends, the entry exit stations will be staffed from 7am to 7pm. Now If I were to want to cheat the system (I don't) I'd just get to the ISDRA at 8pm on Friday night LIKE MOST OF US DO!
So hiring more workers to man the booths they still will not catch the cheaters. They'll just get to Glamis on off hours. IMO; the entry exits (To combat "Theft of Stay"-if you don't pay you are a thief) must be manned round the clock on Fridays (before regular weekends)and the Thursdays before big "trouble' weekends. 24 hour staff on entry/exit stations can go back to regular hours on Saturday morning.
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I will type this word for word:
Enforcement-Actual on-site collection should commence October 1, 2003; however, the ISDRA remains understaffed; therefore, it is not practical to task existing staff to mid-week collection duty, nor to commit to hire new staff without sufficient funds to pay them.

So in other words the plan is to collect new fees from you, and have gates, but there is no money for it now. (!!!???)
The plan is to sell the new Use Permits on the Internet and at the Vendors that will not be there.
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File this one under:
DID YOU KNOW?

The BLM is now required by the OHMVR to meet such a tougher and higher required standards for management; that if the BLM requests a Grant from the OHMVR; to help pay/defray the costs of the ISDRA, it will cost the BLM more to implement the new forced requirements imposed on them by the OHMVR than the cost of the Grant money received. Yes that is a mouthful, but we the users of the ISDRA now must GAG on it!
This is in the business plan and I believe it, I want to know how we can reform the OHMVR?

Who appoints the OHMVR members anyway, and why was he considered a friend of the off-roader?
The OHMVR must be disbanded/nuked or revised. These people must go.
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The Business Plan goes on (this is what Law enforcement thinks of us) :

".....Large quantities of alcohol are consumed throughout the ISDRA..... certain areas have a greater amount of alcohol consumption..... Numerous people, mostly young adults.....
participate in what is commonly referred to as a large drunken party.....
It is not uncommon to have beer bottles or cans thrown at law enforcement..... "

Uncommon?
Large quantities?
Large drunken party?

I think the BLM passes on untruths/half truths to the new arriving LEO's who must help in crowd control. They with words of wisdom from the BLM believe the situation is much worse than (before it starts) it is. This part of the business plan explains much.

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Market Analysis

"The typical ISDRA recreationist is a male. Cali resident between the ages of 18 and 30..... (and according to above paragraph, drinks lots of alcohol.)

The vast majority of OHR's are responsible.

At last the BLM thinks most of us are responsible.
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Pricing Strategy

"..... Current funding will not sustain the current levels of service. If all the funding sources are exhausted&..... the BLM will not operate in deficit-services will be discontinued either permanently, or temporarily until funding is made available&..... "

Is this (above paragraph) a good or a bad thing?

Public Acceptance of fees.
"While no one likes fees&..... the public in general and the vast majority of OHR's (Off Highway Recreationist) who responded to the BLM's DUMONT DUNES survey..... .support fees to maintain access if they are:
Fair/
affordable/
reinvested on site/
efficiently administered. "

Dammm Dumont DUNERS it's their fault! Don't they know how to fill out a form?
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Volume/Capacity

$180 for a Use permit for all days during the season. $60 for a long holiday (BLM quote: "..... problem weekends..... ") weekends pass $60 non holiday weekend yearly pass; and $30 for a weekend pass.

If you look at the fees we are to pay, something jumps out at you. The BLM wants us to change our dune use habits. From holiday weekends to off weekends.

"Several Recreationists expressed concern that this "smacked of capacity limits" as though that was a bad thing.

The above sentence is a direct quote word for word from the BLM. The below one also:

"In reality, the BLM staff are trying to remain proactive and instead of actually enforcing cap limits, they are attempting to use pricing as a mechanism to maintain the areas as open and affordable to the general public while at the same time addressing the exceptional costs associated with the six major holiday weekends"

So the BLM forces the low income dune user to not come out on holiday weekends. Is this some form of back door discrimination?
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The Business Plan goes on to draw analogies with the Little Sahara Dunes in Utah. Only problem with this flaw thinking is LS has but one entrance to the dune system. I count about 10 entrances to the ISDRA. How will they ever keep us out and or counted?
They really want us to use the dunes on less crowed weekends and according to the Draft Business plan will make it hard on you; with long lines at the entry exit stations

"..... Inconvenience to Season Pass holders SO WHAT?"..... another quote word for word! Makes me want to go buy a season pass!

So be prepared to pay more for services you don't really want, wait in long lines because they don't really care.

Hey, I just happen to find this BLM "Draft Only" ISDRA Business Plan. I like the truth brought out to the light of day. Hope you enjoyed the insite.

Am I more mad at the BLM? No way...
Do I hate the OHMVR more? Aba-effenlutly!
Either way we must bend over this season and unlike it!


Steve Brooks

MY $.02, BAN THE USE OF HIGHWAY REGISTERED VECHILES IN THE DUNES AND WE WOULD ELIMINATE 40% OF OUR PROBLEMS.SORRY IT'S THE WAY I FEEL... IF THAT WAS MY KID THROWING A RAGE AT MOTHER G I'D KILL HIM!!!!!


WE ARE RESPONSIBLE DUNERS LET'S GRIP THIS IN THE BUTT! EXPRESS IT TO THE PEOPLE NEXT TO YOU SCREWING IT UP!

CHECKERD FLAG DOESN'T MEAN TO LOOK AWAY IT MEANS TO STAND UP FOR WHAT IS YOURS :!:

SAY IT,MEAN IT, BACK IT, SAVE OUR DUNES :hot: :hot:

So the kid who saves every penny to buy a truck and tried his hands at pre-runnner stuff cannot go off road in the ISDRA?
I see street legal buggies out there, so they cannot go off road?
When your rail breaks down and all that can get it, is a truck. Then what?

Sorry but I totally disagree with this school of thought that People and their registered vehicles cannot go off-roading in Glamis. That is discrimination at its best.
"You cannot have access to these PUBLIC LANDS because of the vehicle you drive".
That should leave a BAD taste in your mouth when you say it out loud. Ive seen Boats out there with wheels on them.

I thought we were taking it up the arse with the fee increase.. The poor vendors have got it worse then us. We need to boycott the store and find a way to bring back the vendors. Is Doc going to be able to set up the cooling spot this season. >:<

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Public Acceptance of fees.
"While no one likes fees&..... the public in general and the vast majority of OHR's (Off Highway Recreationist) who responded to the BLM's DUMONT DUNES survey..... .support fees to maintain access if they are:
Fair/
affordable/
reinvested on site/
efficiently administered. "

Dammm Dumont DUNERS it's their fault! Don't they know how to fill out a form?
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I told you already ... the guys with the better dunes have more to say .... and less to pay

serious now .... you filled out that form ... did you????

I'm about 1/3 of the way through the draft of the plan and hope to have it linked by tonight so everyone can read it.

Vicki

Sorry chum that you don't agree here but it's truly the way I feel !! I made my living for many of years selling and installing off road parts for Fabtech Motorsports, I drove there race truck for several years, but I never took anything I had to drive home, into the dunes!! If I broke my toy i'd catch a ride with another buggy or stay in camp!

When you go to the hill you don't notice the guy in the buggy dropping his beer bottles in the sand because he know's he can't have them there! It's the guy in the lifted truck that brought 7 of his buddies because they didn't have anything to play with!!! if you go to the drags it's the guy's with all there friends hasseling the blm because they didn't have a flag on there truck!!! and when you go to the hill at night most of the buggy guy's are sitting back watching the fools in the front tearing each other apart with all the girl in the back of there pick-ups.

Don't mean to single anyone out but this is the way it is been. I've been going to glamis for 30 some ott years now and have watched the trend come in and it's somewhat the truth like it or not! my opinion and if you think i have a bad taste in my mouth because i've voiced my opionon than you are so toatly wrong!! but look around next time your at the hill and make sure you carry trash bags everytime you stop gauranteed you'll be picking up trash next to the lifted truck before you do it next to a sand car. LD

AND IF YOU GO TO THE SAND BAR DON'T ASK WHY YOUR KIDS ARE WANTING TO BE PORN STARS!

NO, I totally understand your point of view.
New Years eve I drove my truck to the hill with all the wood, ice chests, chairs, fireworks etc.. I was also a designated driver for others to get there and watch the show. We had a nice small fire and a lot of people that had a great time. They were all duners.

I've taken my truck to Olds and comp so many times only to fill it with trash and haul it out. I mean LOTS of times.

I have piled the duners in the truck and gone to the drags with a designated driver. The little ones love to sit in the back of the truck and watch the cars race by. Plus its a great place to sit and watch in a safer place then on the sand.

I realize that 80% of what we cannot stand get there in trucks, but the duners use them out there alot as well. We took Tres truck out to get James when he broke his collar bone. We took Rubths truck out to get busted up buggies quite a few times. There is a challenge in driving a truck in the sand like that that is alot of fun.

Im not upset at all. Just trying to represent another view. I still love you in a non-ghay way..