aside from the obvious .1 liter difference, what advantages does the honda have over the chevy?

The gm engine I am refering to is the 3.4 L 60 degree.

Any thoughts?

Why the 3.4? Is it an aluminum block? If not 4.3 would be the way to go, easy hop ups and tons of cheap parts to be had.

^^^^ That and Chevy Sucks

Because honda is better.

The 3.5 Honda is DOHC, so it will have more power.

I'm not sure if the Chevy 3.4 has an aluminum block or not. I'll take a look closer at my car tomorrow. The 3.4 has never been a great engine, but saying that all Chevys suck is just plain ignorant.
I dont know how availible they are yet, but GM's new 3.6 DOHC seems to be an awesome motor. Making 260hp I believe.

I'm not sure if the Chevy 3.4 has an aluminum block or not. I'll take a look closer at my car tomorrow. The 3.4 has never been a great engine, but saying that all Chevys suck is just plain ignorant.
I agree, I'm not a die hard chevy fan but that comment sounded like it came from a third grader.

Why not just run a shortstar? 270hp? Aluminum..

The 3.4 is a iron block but two different engines were built, 91-97 was a dohc engine that put out 215 hp, then a 3400 from 96 to 2005 was a pushrod model at 185 hp, and also a camaro model that was 160 hp. This base engine has been around since 1980, they are generally good engines with no big problems except intake gaskets. New ones are 3.5 now and 217 hp great torque.

First, it is a Honda. Honda is the #1 engine producer (volume) in the world.
And Honda is, Honda Motor Company - a company that excels especially in building compact, light weight, reliable, fuel efficient, high performance engines.
The Honda V6s that are used in most applications are SOHC, not DOHC. But, they have VTEC. VTEC is like having a small conservative cam for smooth idle, great diveability, etc, with a large cam profile at higher rpm for better performance - the best of both worlds.
Honda V6s range from 200 hp - 300 hp, and 195 lb-ft tq - 275 lb-ft tq. Those are Honda's flywheel ratings, not some imaginary number that was estimated from a chassis dyno.

The Gm engine I was talking about is the 160 hp camaro engine..

How about the 4.0 V6 that Toyota is using in the new Tacomas?
Maybe I will start a seperate thread about those..

That engine I believe is all cast iron, best thing is to go with the most common which is honda. That makes getting parts and help easier as well as bugs worked out without you having to do it. I used the shortstar because I had it and it runs great.

If you want a nice all aluminum engine, check out the Lexus V8s. I've heard that you can get these with the wiring harness and tranny for as low as $300. Since nobody ever needs one, they're plentiful and cheap. Great power and they really crank it out if you put a turbo on it. Available in 4.0. 4.3 and 4.5L versions.

If you do the honda 3.5 make sure you get a J35a3, the J35a1 is alot less HP.
The vtec in these engines is awesome!!!

What's the HP difference between the two motors...I have a Honda 3.5, but don't know if it's a 1 or 3 in the Vin.

The 1 or 3 isn't in the VIN it's part of the serial # on the engine. If you have a rear engine it will be on the passanger side at the bell housing end, stamped in about half way up. It will read J35aX then below it will be about eight or so more numbers, these will mean nothing to you. IIRC the 1 was used in the earlier Ody vans and were rated around 210hp, the 3 is the newer one and is 240hp.

The early 1uz is a pretty strong motor. Even though it's only 4 liters, it really rips @ 11lbs of boost., and they can be made to look nice. The newer/larger toy motors have pretty weak rods compared to the 4.0. This one's been running for a couple of seasons trouble free.

I think 260 on the J35a3

Heres some info on the j series engines J series engines

If you have a a3, it came out of a acura mdx

That's some great information right there ^^^ Thanks

The Honda motors both the 3.2 and the 3.5 are vtec motors or variable valve timing meaning they have good torque like v6 motors do but they also have a power band that kicks in at about 3500-4000 rpm. I had a 3.2 Honda in my 4 seat beam car weighing 2000lbs and it worked great and i never had a problem with that motor. What ever you do make sure its fuel injected because if its carburated it will cut out in the big bumps. Thats my 2 cents

Dido....

VTEC on the j series engine comes on at 3500 RPM

Ooops. The '02+ Ody had the a4, which your link didn't even mention . There were a few other tidbits that were incorrect in it FWIW.

http://www.geocities.com/drumsy99/Acuraenginespecs.html

That one is missing it too. Has the TL-CL J32a1 225hp and the same a1 for the Type-S as 260hp. No MDX listed in '02. Has J35a1 as 240hp, is 210hp.

Hey, listen here you little Kraut.
I never said it was a complete list.
And SOOOOMMMEEEEE people think I'm ignorant.
P.S. thanks for the info
Peace

Enough confusion gets spread here, even by me. Just trying to get it as close as possible.

ANyone else have an opinion on this topic?
Also considering the 4.3

What else do you want to know?

So, are all J35A1's out of an Ody Van 210hp??? If so, this is very disappointing. I thought I had at least 240hp.

On the Bright side...I can Turbo the Honda with-out worrying about the 091 Tranny.

Anybody know what the HP rating will be with a Turbo & 5lbs Spring on a 3.5 Honda.

The early ones atleast, had a wierd HP rating. It would change depending on the grade of fuel used. The ECU would play with timing to get the max allowable out of what ever you were running. The way it was explained to me was it would advance it until detonation than retard some, unlike knock retard as protection. However, I believe 210hp was the higher number.

2000 - 3.5 Honda Odyssey. Are we still in the 210hp rating??? Do you know how much HP 5lbs of Boost will make?

Thanks Todd.

Yes on stock hp, 210 in '99-'01, 240 on '02-'04, and 255 for '05+. Dunno on boosted hp.

Roughly 281 hp @ 5lbs.
5lbs=34% of one atmosphere at sea level (14.7psi). So, 210 multiplied by 1.34 = 281.4.

Thanks for the Breakdown. So, does this mean that 1lbs of boost is 6.80% at sea level (1lbs=6.80%)?

So, 6lbs of boost would be 295.68hp.

Did I get that right?

Correct. Remember though, this is just an estimate.

I've been trying to talk myself out of a turbo all week, KNOCK IT OFF!

Turbo is the only way to go!

My car made 380 to the wheels without any air being blown on the innercooler.....Little more than 5 lbs of boost and straight 110 gas. 3.2 (j32a1)

Does this formula work for different sizes of Turbo's??? Because I am lost at How "Mick" is getting 380hp to the rear wheels on 5-6lbs of boost.

With the Formula...I can Turbo my 210hp engine with 5lbs of Boost and not go over the 300hp limit of my 091 tranny.



So Mick...what did you do to get 380 @ the wheels??? And what tranny are you running???

I am running a J35A4 anybody have any specs on that motor?

02-04 Odyssey, 240 hp

There's some good info here.

Honda Info





I vote turbo.

If Mick's numbers are correct, it's out of the ordinary. If you make an assumption that his drivetrain loss is 20% (which is low, actual is probably higher), that would mean he is making in the neighborhood of 475 at the crankshaft. No offense, but not likely with only 5lbs on a J32A1.
If it's true, share your secrets Mick!

I have the turbo'd 3.5 (Odyssey) running at 5psi.
Just below 300hp sounds right to me.

It scoots fine for me. I'd love to go to 10psi but would go broke with race gas.

Currently I either run 91 or a mix of race and 91. (like 40/60)

2D tranny on mine.

Seems everyone else does too.

If you go Turbo...are you going to keep the stock ECU with a FMU or go after market computer.

Hypothetically speaking of course, I'd stick with the stock ECU and give an FMU a whirl at first. Other factors would have to be considered before the cash is spent on some other type of stand alone, like how well is my 091 doing.


I vote you should bolt one up, push 7psi, and report back on your box's health after a few trips.

If you run a Honda v6 with boost on a 091, wont that trans go bye bye?

And that my friend is the current Debate. The local tranny shops say the 091 (if build) will handle up to 300hp. It will also depend on how you drive. If you have a 3.5 - 210hp Honda - and run a Turbo with 5lbs of Boost...you should be good. If you don't dump the Cluch.