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So here's a new theory...

The current administration and media are reporting the "delta" outbreak to push more fear and push more people to get the shot.  The numbers for this haven't been very open or accurate.  Not hearing of mountainous deaths again but they sure are happy to be reporting that more people are getting the shot because of it.

 

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Nothing to fear with the shot...

In fact I got it and thereasdfww iss nothingefas wwreonnfggg with mslwe/ skfga sdas sdasdgjadflh;kaslgknad'flh;ajs'dl;kgS'GAKSD'GLAKSG

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(fine print says motor skills may deminish AKA, BKS, AKA Broken Keyboard Syndrome)  :lmao:

 

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Mid terms are coming up. Use the fear for ballot harvesting.  

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Saw an interesting story on Yahoo tuther day (a liberal rag if there ever was one).  There was a gathering in Providence or Provincetown (the San Francisco of the east, (why we have gay marriage)).

900 people got COVID at the gathering....3/4 of em were Vaxed.  You can believe Yahoo, sometimes, unless the number was higher.

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The Machine needs to feed the Machine. You can't let all this past years COVID-19 funding come to an end, so justify why it needs to continue.

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The medic on our job had to be sent home last night for coming up positive even after having 2 rounds of vaccines. 

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56 minutes ago, Stinky said:

Saw an interesting story on Yahoo tuther day (a liberal rag if there ever was one).  There was a gathering in Providence or Provincetown (the San Francisco of the east, (why we have gay marriage)).

900 people got COVID at the gathering....3/4 of em were Vaxed.  You can believe Yahoo, sometimes, unless the number was higher.

I have not seen anything that says when you are Vaxed you won't get the Virus.  Now I have seen numbers like hospitalizations for the the Virus is 95% of them are unvaxed.  But who knows, I don't trust any news outlets, let alone the CDC anymore. Love all the sheeples on both sides

 

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So why the hard push for vaccination if it doesn’t prevent you from getting the virus? If it’s because you “potentially” won’t get as sick…are those proven facts? If it’s just a form of a “flu shot” than leave it at that,personal choice. I’ve never had a flu shot. Not starting a debate,just curious. 

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9 minutes ago, Dunerking said:

So why the hard push for vaccination if it doesn’t prevent you from getting the virus? If it’s because you “potentially” won’t get as sick…are those proven facts? If it’s just a form of a “flu shot” than leave it at that,personal choice. I’ve never had a flu shot. Not starting a debate,just curious. 

It is supposed to keep you out of the Hospital.  People need to stop reading the headlines of these articles and deep dive into the details.  Nothing is proven at this point on either side.  You can still get the flu after you get the flu shot, that is proven for sure.

I read an article on the internet (which we all know has to be true), that many of these so called vaxed people getting the virus are actually using fake vax cards 🤔

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9 minutes ago, Cookie said:

that many of these so called vaxed people getting the virus are actually using fake vax cards 🤔

I know several people that were involved in giving COVID vaccines, they said there was a lot of fake card distribution going on. That's why the cards don't hold any weight any more, it's all electronically recorded now. I work for the State and we were required to prove vaccination status through the CalVax website, cards don't count.

Wife works in healthcare and recently had a family member ask if she would give him a card, of course she said no. 

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25 minutes ago, Dunerking said:

So why the hard push for vaccination if it doesn’t prevent you from getting the virus? If it’s because you “potentially” won’t get as sick…are those proven facts? If it’s just a form of a “flu shot” than leave it at that,personal choice. I’ve never had a flu shot. Not starting a debate,just curious. 

It's all part of the government experiment to see who will and who won't comply.  

I have never been an anti-vaxxer until Bill Gates ran his suck about eugenics and microchipping.  THEN...liberals all screamed the Trump could not develop a vaccine and if so, they wouldn't take it.  The current administration takes over and now they all DEMAND IT!  

They politicized this for me and therefore, I'm not taking it.  Besides, I had COVID and I'm fine.  Natural antibodies are better anyway.  

If anyone wants to argue it more...so ok...the "shot" was for the previous variant.  Apparently it does not prevent the delta variant but...offers some protection and lessens the symptoms.  With that logic...I still don't need it because I have been vaccinated against 4 plus other variants of coronavirus during my time in the Navy.  

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32 minutes ago, Dunerking said:

So why the hard push for vaccination if it doesn’t prevent you from getting the virus? If it’s because you “potentially” won’t get as sick…are those proven facts? If it’s just a form of a “flu shot” than leave it at that,personal choice. I’ve never had a flu shot. Not starting a debate,just curious. 

Its all about the "benjamins"...  AND heaven forbid a politician has to admit they were wrong...

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My theory is that it's about the upcoming elections and keeping the same voting procedures put in place for the 2020 elections due to Covid. It worked out well for them last time and the Dems stand to lose the house and the senate if they don't take advantage of a crisis that they created.

H.R.1, the "For The Democrats Act", oops, I mean "For The People Act", will never pass both chambers, so just create a workaround. 

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2 hours ago, Cookie said:

It is supposed to keep you out of the Hospital.  People need to stop reading the headlines of these articles and deep dive into the details.  Nothing is proven at this point on either side.  You can still get the flu after you get the flu shot, that is proven for sure.

I read an article on the internet (which we all know has to be true), that many of these so called vaxed people getting the virus are actually using fake vax cards 🤔

So is it really keeping people out of the hospital? I’ve recently been around the world (unvaccinated) and around people who have tested positive..so I guess my days are numbered if and when I get it. I felt like I have already had it before it every hit here in 2019. 

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6 minutes ago, Dunerking said:

So is it really keeping people out of the hospital? I’ve recently been around the world (unvaccinated) and around people who have tested positive..so I guess my days are numbered if and when I get it. I felt like I have already had it before it every hit here in 2019. 

Here is what I KNOW, Far East countries are starting to close back up due to the virus.  We are also seeing more closures in Central America, all countries that haven't really vaccinated.  Get ready for more shortages again.  I also know that most people that aren't vaccinated that are getting the virus are more likely to be hospitalized, at least according the numbers.  Deaths are down because most people over 60 years of age are vaccinated.

 

That being said, I could care less if anyone gets vaccinated, same as I could care less if you wear a helmet in a SxS, your life...............I am pro choice on just about everything.  I just don't like wearing a mask, it fogs up my glasses.

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Just read a friend who has it now for the 2nd time.

First time he said he didn't even now he was sick until he couldn't stop coughing for 3 days.  Besides not being able to sleep during that time and his throat and stomach hurting from this dry cough that just wouldn't stop he wasn't that bad off. After almost 2 weeks his cough was down to a point where he felt ok to be out in public even though he got a clear test result in about 5 days. 

Then his age group came up and he decided to get the shot just to be in the clear and to give himself a little more chance to miss out in going thru that again.

 

Now two months have passed sense the vaccine and he has it again.  This time no cough but he say's it is the worst flue he has ever had and no matter how little or much or what he eats he spends most of his miserable waking hours sitting on the toilet.  He says if the cough comes back he knows he will die this time he doesn't have the strength to cough being that now going on day 6 he hasn't been able to keep in a ice cube for more than an hour.

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MWB I hope your friend kicks that bug. 
 

So the only consistent take from this is inconsistent. Seems like there is no set pattern. My 80 year old day thats had 2-quadruple bypass surgeries got it and hopefully it prevents him from to the hospital if he gets it (but it sounds like there is no guarantee).That being said still doesn’t make sense to get vac just because a group tells you to. If it was like measles,smallpox,etc vac where it is a “one and done”deal I think I’d take it more seriously. 

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My MIL go Covid last Christmas, she is 76 year old strong as an ox.  She was walking 4 miles a day before so.  She gets Covid, she ends up in the Hospital for 5 weeks, barely survives.  5 weeks alone with zero visitors, painful.  Fast forward, her doctors told her she needed to get the vaccine, and she has.  No side effects or anything.  But she can't get on a plane or go camping at altitude yet, doctors orders.  Her Lungs are damaged.  It is scary how it affects different people.

I had a couple bouts with Pneumonia in 2019 (heck maybe Covid), not being able to lay down because you can't breath or stop coughing was scary.  That feeling of not being able to take the next breath gave me serious anxiety................I hope I never have that feeling again.

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5 hours ago, Stinky said:

Saw an interesting story on Yahoo tuther day (a liberal rag if there ever was one).  There was a gathering in Providence or Provincetown (the San Francisco of the east, (why we have gay marriage)).

900 people got COVID at the gathering....3/4 of em were Vaxed.  You can believe Yahoo, sometimes, unless the number was higher.

 

Let me let you in on something that is not widely known about this.  Turns out, it was apparently "Bear Week"  in Provincetown the week of July 4, so I'll leave it up to yore imagination as to what may have happened there (Hint: Typhoid Barrys).   Methinks this one is a statistical anomaly.

That being said, the headlines are out and they are sensational, but once you dig into the details of the stories, it seems that breakthrough infections are up, but more than anything, cases are up amongst the unvaxxed and it appears that "they" are correct in saying the delta variant is more contagious than anything we've yet seen and cases are rising dramatically.  See Florida for reference as they have not had many restrictions and their numbers are spiking as well as in other states that didn't enforce mask mandates, close down businesses etc.

There isn't too much new out there, but here are a few new charts to ponder:

Screen-Shot-2021-08-03-at-8.21.21-AM-100

and closer to home:

Screen-Shot-2021-08-03-at-8.28.33-AM-100

And anecdotally, this weekend I ran into 3 friends who are all young (late 20s /  30s) who just got over the 'rona.  All 3 were unvaxxed and the oldest is a very fit girl who had to go to the hospital twice. One of her kids also came down with it.  The other 2 are a couple and they were just pretty sick for a week or so.  None had been wearing masks at work since June15 and all 3 work in hospitality at different locations in the South Bay.

My guess:  we "snapped back" a bit too quickly (honor system was a joke) and the new variant, coupled with increased human activity is driving this wave. Get ready for vax mandates. 

 

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1 hour ago, Cookie said:

I had a couple bouts with Pneumonia in 2019 (heck maybe Covid), not being able to lay down because you can't breath or stop coughing was scary.  That feeling of not being able to take the next breath gave me serious anxiety................I hope I never have that feeling again.

This is exactly how I felt when I had it. But one more symptom, absolutely no energy. I couldn't stand for more then a couple of minuets.  Contagious, my wife got off a plane and was sick 3 days later. Three days after this I'm sick. My son comes over and then he's got it. Thankfully I had a rescue inhaler for asthma and I used the heck out of it.

I got the vax and still wear a mask in public indoors so I can be around my grand kids who cannot due to young age. Feel like it was the least I could do as they are the one who are going to be left defenseless.

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Curious... how exactly are they detecting the Delta vs the other variants? All the tests are the same... right?

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35 minutes ago, South Bay said:

 

and closer to home:

Screen-Shot-2021-08-03-at-8.28.33-AM-100

 

84 deaths since March, that is NOT a pandemic. Direct from the CDC itself (table below for the 2018-2019 flu season (not even the whole year). This chart shows 61.2 deaths per 100k. Let's take that SD County population of 3.3m and apply the math. This puts the death toll of influenza in SDC at 2,019.6 just for the flu season and not one person batted an eye, not even a bigger push than any other year to get yore flu vax, no masks, no mandates, no schools or businesses shut down. Mind you, this is ALL self reporting and prior to "care givers" receiving $1500 per "case"... it's all bullCrap...

Table 2: Estimated rates of influenza-associated disease outcomes, per 100,000, by age group — United States, 2018-2019 influenza season
  Illness rate Medical visit rate Hospitalization rate Mortality rate
Age group Estimate 95% UI Estimate 95% UI Estimate 95% UI Estimate 95% UI
0-4 yrs 18,339.50 (12,652.8, 36,341.4) 12,287.50 (8,419.3, 24,332.1) 127.9 (88.2,   253.4) 1.3 (0.4, 3.6)
5-17 yrs 14,300.10 (11,248.5, 19,478.6) 7,436.10 (5,724.0, 10,106.0) 39.2 (30.8,    53.4) 0.4 (0.1, 1.2)
18-49 yrs 8,621.50 (7,293.1, 11,602.9) 3,190.00 (2,532.0,  4,388.9) 48.4 (40.9,    65.1) 1.8 (1.0, 4.2)
50-64 yrs 14,627.10 (10,422.7, 24,952.5) 6,289.60 (4,295.4, 10,903.7) 155.1 (110.5,   264.6) 9 (5.6, 21.4)
65+ yrs 5,861.40 (3,831.5, 11,502.1) 3,282.40 (2,093.2,  6,475.1) 532.9 (348.3, 1,045.6) 48.7 (34.1, 78.9)
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18 hours ago, South Bay said:

 

Let me let you in on something that is not widely known about this.  Turns out, it was apparently "Bear Week"  in Provincetown the week of July 4, so I'll leave it up to yore imagination as to what may have happened there (Hint: Typhoid Barrys).   Methinks this one is a statistical anomaly.

That being said, the headlines are out and they are sensational, but once you dig into the details of the stories, it seems that breakthrough infections are up, but more than anything, cases are up amongst the unvaxxed and it appears that "they" are correct in saying the delta variant is more contagious than anything we've yet seen and cases are rising dramatically.  See Florida for reference as they have not had many restrictions and their numbers are spiking as well as in other states that didn't enforce mask mandates, close down businesses etc.

There isn't too much new out there, but here are a few new charts to ponder:

Screen-Shot-2021-08-03-at-8.21.21-AM-100

and closer to home:

Screen-Shot-2021-08-03-at-8.28.33-AM-100

And anecdotally, this weekend I ran into 3 friends who are all young (late 20s /  30s) who just got over the 'rona.  All 3 were unvaxxed and the oldest is a very fit girl who had to go to the hospital twice. One of her kids also came down with it.  The other 2 are a couple and they were just pretty sick for a week or so.  None had been wearing masks at work since June15 and all 3 work in hospitality at different locations in the South Bay.

My guess:  we "snapped back" a bit too quickly (honor system was a joke) and the new variant, coupled with increased human activity is driving this wave. Get ready for vax mandates. 

 

I'm curious about your friend who went to the hospital twice. What did she go there for and how did they treat her? Is she anxious person?

Admittedly, every time I get a sniffle or a cough I start to get paranoid, then you read all the Doom and gloom and I can see how it would make people go to the hospital when they otherwise wouldn't have. I'm not saying that's the case I'm just curious how they treated her symptoms more than anything.

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