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9 minutes ago, Lord of the Dunes said:

What you seem to be glossing over is my opinions about Can't Ham and Poslaris are based on actual photos and videos of damage when things went wrong. I never said they fall apart trying to get off the trailer because I haven't seen videos of that.

Yet.

Remember the first video of the Pro R where Poslaris paid Hoonigan to build a custom Pro R and do stunt driving with it in Long Beach? That was Poslaris selling the sizzle, because Joe Finance can't drive like that and what he is gonna buy from the dealer at a $10,000 dealer markup is certainly NOT the vehicle he saw in the video.

People should be outraged at that blatant bait and switch, but no, most of them rationalized it away one way or another. "Well of course they had to beef it up, no stock UTV could survive that. It's just a video, for entertainment. Nobody expects them to show off the real UTV."

That's what I respect about Speed. No flash (hell, they rarely get the mics to work properly) no sizzle, just tech talk, actual CAD drawings showing how it all fits together, how it works, why it's superior, how they're testing it, the failures, how they're modifying the parts to prevent future failures...    you know, the boring stuff. Daniel might be a talented engineer or whatever, but he could make a high crack addict fall asleep in mid sentence!

The Pro in RJ's video had stock suspension components and the shocks were Walker Evans instead of the Fox shocks due to RJ being sponsored by Walker Evans.  Hoonigans just filmed and produced the video.  They did not build his Pro R.  The video is just marketing just like the previous videos RJ has done for Polaris.   

The problem is your opinions are based only off of a few videos and pictures of people doing dumb stuff.  Not a complete picture.  Then again you base your opinions of the Speed UTV off of videos and some pictures so it does make sense.  LOL!  

 

 

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2 minutes ago, michael.gonzalez said:

Damn. Who pissed in SandSharks cheerios this morning? Guys got a stick up his butt for sure. :classic_laugh:

A RG designed Speed stick to be exact.  It is double sheared and CAD designed to really stick in there.  You should check out the weekly design shows on it.  The Polaris one caught on fire and the Can Am one fell apart.   LMAO!!!

I was away for a few days in San Diego.  So I have to get back into the swing of things to get this to 200 pages.  LMAO!!!

 

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2 minutes ago, Sand Shark said:

A RG designed Speed stick to be exact.  It is double sheared and CAD designed to really stick in there.  You should check out the weekly design shows on it.  The Polaris one caught on fire and the Can Am one fell apart.   LMAO!!!

I was away for a few days in San Diego.  So I have to get back into the swing of things to get this to 200 pages.  LMAO!!!

 

Can't Ham has been spying and has decided to get out ahead of Speed on this one. The Next New Thing to come out from Can't Ham is going to be the X3.33 which will have 5 more hp (it's a tradition) and the gear shifter will be mounted in the middle of the driver's seat. You'll be able to order a 6" version, an 8" version and in the interest of diversity (and especially for Sand Shark) a 10" version. They're available in off white, purple or black. When you hit redline, of course they vibrate.

Of course the front shocks still won't be properly mounted, but Can't Ham is so in tune with their customers, they're going to dominate the industry in 2023! The SS Edition (Sand Shark) will come with custom Rainbow graphics so you can share your joy with the whole wide inclusive world.

They'll also have the Cuck Edition, which has an extra one mounted in the passenger seat!

 

(The preceding was for entertainment purposes only and in no way indicates that I have seen a video of one. Yet. This also does not suggest that anyone would or would not enjoy this model, even though he has already pre-ordered one. This is not an offer to sell nor does it provide financial advice. Your mileage may vary, consult your doctor before starting a new diet. Taxes and doc. fees extra. Use of this product has been known to cause death in rare cases, heart attacks infrequently and random cases of anal leakage have been reported. Kidney failure as well, since we don't know how to tune shocks.)

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Thanks for this morning’s entertainment with my coffee.
I was busy the last few days driving my SxS in Glamis and didn’t have much time to read this thread. 

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2 hours ago, Sand Shark said:

Again LOTD made a comment about why others do not share their designs.  Yes I used off-road fabricators as an example and it does not take away from the point.  The others do not share because they do not have to do it to generate interest and sales.   

If you do not think part of the weekly shows are a sales pitch, then I have some swamp land to sell. Especially the earlier shows.  I am not knocking the weekly shows. I enjoy the technical aspects.  I see them for what they are which is to keep people on board and generate sales with a mix of some educational stuff.  The Speed customer is a little different as most have technical knowledge.  

Unfortunately, RG and company could not do what Tesla did.  Take a deposit and tell people you will get your car in a few years.   Powersports industry is different and the customers are quick to move on to the next shiny thing. 

The leak photos Polaris does is part of their marketing that generates buzz.  Destination Polaris was nothing more than a show to advertise a model and a particular aftermarket company.  An hour long commercial.  

I am quite aware Team C was the funding behind the Mason Awd truck. Just like Lofton and now Concrete Motorsports are the testers and funding for their transmission.  Geiser did a lot of funky stuff with RPM.  The twin motor trucks and the truggy that RG raced.  Too bad RPM stopped as it left Apdaly Lopez without a ride where he could consistently race.  

 

Nonsense.  When Robbie was selling Monorails, he was very open kimono about the process as well:

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24 minutes ago, Rockwood said:

Nonsense.  When Robbie was selling Monorails, he was very open kimono about the process as well:

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LOL!  Simpsons for the win!

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45 minutes ago, Sand Shark said:

LOL!  Simpsons for the win!

Screen capture from early weekly Can Am X3 episodes:

GT4 strut top failure - Page 7 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

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3 hours ago, Sand Shark said:

RG does not have a track record of building UTVs as a manufacture or doing anything to this level.  So you reputation only gets you so far before you actually have to do something.  How many trophy trucks do you think he and his team have actually designed and built over the years?   

 

RG has designed at least 3 trophy trucks and built at least 6.

He helped design a Dakar CL1 and built at least 2 of them.

He designed a Dakar Gordini and built 1 possibly 2 of them.

He has designed the SST and built I would guess at least 20 of them.

He designed a monster truck and a few were built, the numbers are unclear on how many were built.

Then on top of that, the many prerunner buggies and trucks over the years, many built and designed in house. My favorite being the silver Chevy with the 2BAJA license plate. Loved that truck.

 

He has built and designed many things and you cant take that away from him.

I would say his real world experience is as much as Mason and Geiser, close to Jimco. Just in different levels of length of time and number of builds.

 

How many people as of today have actually been burned by this endeavor? The answer currently is 0. This could of course change. I gambled $12k on this deal and I get burned it would be for a fraction of what I have been burned before in this industry.

 

It will come in time. Most people who have preordered have patience and understand the undertaking involved.

 

Others simply dont, and for those they have many other UTVs to choose from and that is perfectly fine.

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17 minutes ago, DTA said:

RG has designed at least 3 trophy trucks and built at least 6.

He helped design a Dakar CL1 and built at least 2 of them.

He designed a Dakar Gordini and built 1 possibly 2 of them.

He has designed the SST and built I would guess at least 20 of them.

He designed a monster truck and a few were built, the numbers are unclear on how many were built.

Then on top of that, the many prerunner buggies and trucks over the years, many built and designed in house. My favorite being the silver Chevy with the 2BAJA license plate. Loved that truck.

 

He has built and designed many things and you cant take that away from him.

I would say his real world experience is as much as Mason and Geiser, close to Jimco. Just in different levels of length of time and number of builds.

 

How many people as of today have actually been burned by this endeavor? The answer currently is 0. This could of course change. I gambled $12k on this deal and I get burned it would be for a fraction of what I have been burned before in this industry.

 

It will come in time. Most people who have preordered have patience and understand the undertaking involved.

 

Others simply dont, and for those they have many other UTVs to choose from and that is perfectly fine.

I knew you or Nikal would know how many RG has built.   The Valvoline truck was one of my favorites.  Mark Post's Riveria Racing truck was a work of art.  RG is certainly not afraid to try things and do it his way.  He is the essence of American ingenuity.  

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So after ignoring my 1st email a few weeks ago regarding my final build, I was just sent another email. It be normally  getting me excited but knowing I wont get mine for at least 8 months is a kill joy.  Oh well, when it comes it comes.  What did get my interest is the claimed weight of the 4 seater being just over 2200 lbs loaded.  Be interesting to see what if really is once it gets to customers.  In stock form and e85 ( which is still cheaper then race fuel lol) and 300HP with speed key, should be interesting with pipe and other mods to go faster.  

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5 hours ago, DTA said:

RG has designed at least 3 trophy trucks and built at least 6.

He helped design a Dakar CL1 and built at least 2 of them.

He designed a Dakar Gordini and built 1 possibly 2 of them.

He has designed the SST and built I would guess at least 20 of them.

He designed a monster truck and a few were built, the numbers are unclear on how many were built.

Then on top of that, the many prerunner buggies and trucks over the years, many built and designed in house. My favorite being the silver Chevy with the 2BAJA license plate. Loved that truck.

 

He has built and designed many things and you cant take that away from him.

I would say his real world experience is as much as Mason and Geiser, close to Jimco. Just in different levels of length of time and number of builds.

 

How many people as of today have actually been burned by this endeavor? The answer currently is 0. This could of course change. I gambled $12k on this deal and I get burned it would be for a fraction of what I have been burned before in this industry.

 

It will come in time. Most people who have preordered have patience and understand the undertaking involved.

 

Others simply dont, and for those they have many other UTVs to choose from and that is perfectly fine.

Lol! Robby is a smart dude and cannot get out of the way from his own ego! This will end up just like his previous ventures.

 

The reason why LOTD cant see the forest thru the trees is, he has no business sense and is only caught up in the hype of a possible "GAME CHANGER" and the engineering. Why do you think Polaris, Can Am, Honda ect dont design a UTV to this level? It just doesn't pencil!

 

I sure hope all of you either get your car or your $$ back.....Just don't be a sheep!

 

Are we allowed to go past 200?! 

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1 hour ago, BUFF said:

Lol! Robby is a smart dude and cannot get out of the way from his own ego! This will end up just like his previous ventures.

 

The reason why LOTD cant see the forest thru the trees is, he has no business sense and is only caught up in the hype of a possible "GAME CHANGER" and the engineering. Why do you think Polaris, Can Am, Honda ect dont design a UTV to this level? It just doesn't pencil!

 

I sure hope all of you either get your car or your $$ back.....Just don't be a sheep!

 

Are we allowed to go past 200?! 

200+ let’s make it happen.  Lol

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3 hours ago, BUFF said:

This will end up just like his previous ventures.

Care to share an example?

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1 hour ago, michael.gonzalez said:

Let's not forget about the Taj Mahal.

 

Wait what?

In reality, not BUFF's fantasy world. The only venture I can recall which Robby "failed" at, or didn't come to fruition was:

The MI7 Utah race which RG had a hand in. He didn't control it but was a part of it. MI7 failed big time. I was going to race that race and was the first TT signed up to race, however the entire thing was a clusterEff from beginning to end. 

Not so much Robby's fault, more so MI7 and their pipe dreams.

But that is really all that I can recall that RG actually failed. 

Life comes with failures and you learn from them. He obviously learned from that one with the way that SST is going.

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16 hours ago, BUFF said:

 Why do you think Polaris, Can Am, Honda ect dont design a UTV to this level? 

Because Robby has the patents on all of the best designs and he has good attorneys. That's the obvious answer. The other one that comes to mind is they hire all of their "engineers" from ITT Tech. Looking at past designs, I'm leaning towards #2 for up to now, and #1 for future models.

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14 minutes ago, Banshee2001 said:

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Looks like massive failure on the horizon.

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19 minutes ago, Banshee2001 said:

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LOTD just got his playboy centerfold picture.  LMAO!!!!

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That's way cool. Hope this week's show has more about what has been done. Going to Coyne in El Centro to check out the 4 seater tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing a Diablo soon hopefully in person.

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43 minutes ago, Banshee2001 said:

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Well this should shut up allot of haters today. 
 

Been a rough week for the haters in this world. Musk buys Twitter, now we are seeing Speed cars. 

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