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12 hours ago, Lord of the Dunes said:

Are you serious?

He sure has gone to a lot of trouble to design a whole lot of stuff and specify everything down to the exact type of nuts and bolts he's using (far superior to what the competition uses) just to pull off some kind of Ponzi scheme. He'd have to be an idiot to pull off the lowest profit, highest effort Ponzi scheme in history.

It's obvious you're a hater and nothing he could show you would ever change your mind. He apparently recognized that immediately and chose not to indulge you. He doesn't have to show you squat, despite what you *think* you're entitled to.

I can understand being skeptical if we all bought $800 pellet grills from an online seller for $99 who closed his account, but this is quite different.

Robby Gordon is a household name in off road racing and he strikes me as the type who doesn't quit, even if the going gets tough. I'm positive he has the knowledge to design these, I've seen the videos of the CAD drawings, the completed vehicles, the engine dyno testing and many of the production parts.

I have no idea who you are, besides someone who has an internet connection.

So lord of the dunes, I have known Robby and followed this career from the early days, I know who exactly who he is. 
I sure love to read posts where Robby defenders will protect him to no end and call anyone who brings up a valid point to call them haters, I’m far from it. 
A lot of you are sheep, follow Robby no matter what. Enough of the weekly videos and what kind of bolts he’s using, that is seriously your argument?? 
Let’s see a production facility, real dates that they can make?

Where are the 10 pre production units? I noticed you pass on the tough questions and then call me a hater. As I said, I truly hope he pulls this off, they look awesome and would buy one, I along with thousands of others are wanting some real answers. If it’s going to another year, say so, I wouldn’t  be surprised if real production doesn’t start until 2022. This is a huge project and will take years to make happen.

So LOD, I’m not a hater, a potential buyer, I would like to see a production facility, currently, I could care less what kind of bolts he’s using. I hope the love you have for Robby works out. 
I don’t know who you are either but someone with an internet connection and a love of Robby. 😁

 

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53 minutes ago, Rampage42 said:

So lord of the dunes, I have known Robby and followed this career from the early days, I know who exactly who he is. 
I sure love to read posts where Robby defenders will protect him to no end and call anyone who brings up a valid point to call them haters, I’m far from it. 
A lot of you are sheep, follow Robby no matter what. Enough of the weekly videos and what kind of bolts he’s using, that is seriously your argument?? 
Let’s see a production facility, real dates that they can make?

Where are the 10 pre production units? I noticed you pass on the tough questions and then call me a hater. As I said, I truly hope he pulls this off, they look awesome and would buy one, I along with thousands of others are wanting some real answers. If it’s going to another year, say so, I wouldn’t  be surprised if real production doesn’t start until 2022. This is a huge project and will take years to make happen.

So LOD, I’m not a hater, a potential buyer, I would like to see a production facility, currently, I could care less what kind of bolts he’s using. I hope the love you have for Robby works out. 
I don’t know who you are either but someone with an internet connection and a love of Robby. 😁

 

So you went from calling it a Ponzi scheme to claiming you're a potential buyer.

I don't know whether that's progress, or you can't keep your stories straight. At any rate, I don't have any more answers for you than Robby does. I'm not in any big hurry, I have toys to drive and I figure the longer it takes him to go into production, the more little details he'll try to perfect.

If you're really a potential buyer, I'd recommend buying someone else's spot they're selling, because prices are already going up. 

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First off I don't have a dog in this, just a casual outside observer.

Second,  I Don't think for a second that Robby ever went into this with the intention to defraud anybody I still think he wouldn't intentionally rip off one person. That being said I do think he is arrogant enough to think he is still going to pull this off and be a hero.

Now if it starts to walk like a duck, quacks like a duck it's a pretty good chance it's going to be a duck. This is starting to look and sound like a duck. I don't think it is, It's just starting to look and sound like one

 If this was any other business venture or any other start up most of the people who had put up money would start to get that feeling of some sort of either a scam or it was going to fail before it even started. 

 

He needs to get in front of this and give a little more assurance sooner than later. A picture of a empty assembly line waiting to start up would be a good start.  A big empty assembly plant waiting on machines and workers will not invoke confidence.  If he is not showing pictures of the plant the question would be why? 

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Anyone tell me in the short what the last video detailed and where we stand on deliveries or 1st 10 productions. Either way I am in, but thought it was interesting someone got 15K for their spot.

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1 hour ago, Lord of the Dunes said:

So you went from calling it a Ponzi scheme to claiming you're a potential buyer.

I don't know whether that's progress, or you can't keep your stories straight. At any rate, I don't have any more answers for you than Robby does. I'm not in any big hurry, I have toys to drive and I figure the longer it takes him to go into production, the more little details he'll try to perfect.

If you're really a potential buyer, I'd recommend buying someone else's spot they're selling, because prices are already going up. 

I’m not buying a spot, I’ll wait to see them running if it ever happens. I just have my suspicions. I'm same as you, have my Funco and a SXS to rip around, don’t need another toy. 

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16 minutes ago, URCLEVER said:

Anyone tell me in the short what the last video detailed and where we stand on deliveries or 1st 10 productions. Either way I am in, but thought it was interesting someone got 15K for their spot.

Last week he showed the change in the turbo manifold set up and a few other things.  No mention of delivery dates or the talk of the the 10 pre-production cars. 

If someone got 15K for one of their spots good for them. 

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So just how many orders roughly have been taken? When does a dealership get their cars? What is the expected timeframe of when an average person can walk into a dealer and get one?

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1 hour ago, IFLY said:

So just how many orders roughly have been taken? When does a dealership get their cars? What is the expected timeframe of when an average person can walk into a dealer and get one?

The number I heard thrown around was 12,000 deposits have been made.   Not sure of the first 250 cars how many are allocated to dealers versus individuals.

If you look on Craiglist some of the dealers are advertising already.  Best guess is some point next year the average person should be able to walk into a dealer and pick one up.  Dealer mark up is going to be interesting. 

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@IFLY based on my bad memory.... I recall direct pre-orders in the 3200 range but the dealers are another #. In one of the early videos Todd was explaining the commitment level of a dealer in the 10-50 units each and how they had to aquire floor space financing

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I couldn’t even fit any of these models in my TH… happy to stick with Polaris.. at least I know what I’m getting..

Put probably $7k in my TH.

So easy… way too much work to ‘change teams’… maybe in 2-4 years.

We’ll see .. just want to ride with them…

I can tell you with the 32” tires.. huge clearance and short wheel base, I was eating $100k JKs for breakfast…with my Turbo S.

… all day..

 

 

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I hope that RG works out the problems and gets his cars to market.  I think having a innovative high end utv in the market place will force all the other mfgrs to improve their cars.  However there are rumors, patent applications and sightings of prototypes that RG’s competition are working on.  In addition to improved suspension the prototypes all have transmissions instead of CVT belts.                                                                                                     I have a YXZ and I love being able to cruise at high speeds at relatively low rpm.  I ride with a guy with a Wildcat XX and I really like his car except for the belt.  His car is really noisy as the motor is always turning high rpm.  Of course the belt is better for rock crawling.  My YXZ has the 2019 gears along with LT setup and I don’t have any problems on Black diamond jeep trails.  I’ve seen the patent applications from Yamaha for a long travel extended wheel base YXZ.  I think that will be my next sxs if they have a three pedal version.

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On 7/12/2021 at 5:55 PM, greevesqub said:

I hope that RG works out the problems and gets his cars to market.  I think having a innovative high end utv in the market place will force all the other mfgrs to improve their cars.  However there are rumors, patent applications and sightings of prototypes that RG’s competition are working on.  In addition to improved suspension the prototypes all have transmissions instead of CVT belts.                                                                                                     I have a YXZ and I love being able to cruise at high speeds at relatively low rpm.  I ride with a guy with a Wildcat XX and I really like his car except for the belt.  His car is really noisy as the motor is always turning high rpm.  Of course the belt is better for rock crawling.  My YXZ has the 2019 gears along with LT setup and I don’t have any problems on Black diamond jeep trails.  I’ve seen the patent applications from Yamaha for a long travel extended wheel base YXZ.  I think that will be my next sxs if they have a three pedal version.

A trailing arm version of the YXZ would be really nice.  Johnny Greaves built one he was running at King of the Hammers this year.  

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Okay Speed UTV diehards what is the latest?  I have not seen much social media post from RG and company. 

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I just started a crypto currency called Speedy Coin.  You "mine" it by spending time in the dunes.  Can I use it for a deposit?

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9 minutes ago, Kat-A-Tonic said:

I just started a crypto currency called Speedy Coin.  You "mine" it by spending time in the dunes.  Can I use it for a deposit?

Careful!  RG will file for Trademark/Patent infringement.

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So will the Speed UTV be available before the new Vanderhall electric UTV?  Vanderhall wants $100 deposit. 

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1 hour ago, Sand Shark said:

A trailing arm version of the YXZ would be really nice.  Johnny Greaves built one he was running at King of the Hammers this year.  

 Yeah,  I think I saw that car at KOH and it was doing well.  I think they crashed and DNFed.  If Yamaha does carry over the  Greeves car suspension to production I hope they keep it lite.  Some of the new sxs cars are getting really heavy.

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1 minute ago, greevesqub said:

 Yeah,  I think I saw that car at KOH and it was doing well.  I think they crashed and DNFed.  If Yamaha does carry over the  Greeves car suspension to production I hope they keep it lite.  Some of the new sxs cars are getting really heavy.

 

The Yamaha needs help in the suspension department.  My friend is selling his YXZ because the suspension is brutal and he is getting beat up trying to keep up with turbo cars in the group. 

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11 minutes ago, Sand Shark said:

 

The Yamaha needs help in the suspension department.  My friend is selling his YXZ because the suspension is brutal and he is getting beat up trying to keep up with turbo cars in the group. 

That’s the problem with the pre 2019 YXZs.  Mine is a 16 that I bought new and the suspension would really beat you up.  Now I have the Fireball LT that adds 7” width and 3.5” length and it really improves the ride/ handling.  

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1 hour ago, 1HasBeen said:

Careful!  RG will file for Trademark/Patent infringement.

That is why it is not called Speed Coin.

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1 hour ago, greevesqub said:

That’s the problem with the pre 2019 YXZs.  Mine is a 16 that I bought new and the suspension would really beat you up.  Now I have the Fireball LT that adds 7” width and 3.5” length and it really improves the ride/ handling.  

My friend does not want to sink a bunch of money into his YXZ.  He would want a turbo on it as well. 

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5 hours ago, Sand Shark said:

So will the Speed UTV be available before the new Vanderhall electric UTV?  Vanderhall wants $100 deposit. 

Brawley my be the winner

6 hours ago, Sand Shark said:

Okay Speed UTV diehards what is the latest?  I have not seen much social media post from RG and company. 

Still playing with there nuts

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Watched last night's episode. I certainly understand how long it takes to take on such an undertaking, and I said immediately after their announcement at SSSS that there was no way they could meet such a timeline, even without Covid. Optimistic doesn't even begin to describe what was promised. I find it amusing that RG gets so butthurt defensive about folks talking about "delay", when he himself is who set the ridiculous timeline.

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I watched the show last night.  Todd explained everything quite well.  Just figuring out the production line process seems like a headache.  Then when they make a change on a part to help the process it really throws things back farther.   Then add in having to get multiple vendor sources for parts and make sure they meet your expectations.   Sounds like maybe the end of the year there might be cars to the customers.   

They might have some pre-production cars at the Sand Show. 

Glad to hear the Bandit will be 100" wheelbase car.  RG said he would discuss that more next week.

The price hikes we all knew were coming and those that got in early should be real happy with the pricing they locked in.   The Speed UTV after August will be pricy.  

 

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23 hours ago, Sand Shark said:

 

The Yamaha needs help in the suspension department.  My friend is selling his YXZ because the suspension is brutal and he is getting beat up trying to keep up with turbo cars in the group. 

Sold mine for the same reason, That and I just kept killing the no belt drive line trying to keep up with the drive lines with the belts. Sure they broke a lot more belts then I broke drive lines but I think I spent more money fixing my drive line in the 3 times I broke it than the rest of the group did replacing belts and clutches.

 

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