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250 pages are coming fast, I see 300 before the first car is delivered..........

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38 minutes ago, ANGRYBUTTCRACK said:

Spoke to a friend who is Diablo #2289 and his friend is El Jeffe, around #1000, both are really frustrated on the delays, doing other off-road projects and are considering selling their spots. They still believe it will be a great product, but are tired of 'losing seasons, etc.'

RG got really really unlucky with the overall supply chain issues that are happening globally. That easily added a year IMO. 

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And we’re not out of the woods yet with the problems in the world from last year and the year before and what still coming down the pipe they should just sell their spot and move on with life buy something else Probably make some money on their spot to top it off

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25 minutes ago, Cookie said:

250 pages are coming fast, I see 300 before the first car is delivered..........

The site will crash again and start over before the first car is delivered

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41 minutes ago, Lord of the Dunes said:

Now THIS sounds like bashing.

Nope.  Dude did nothing to you and you're calling him an illiterate child.  

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1 hour ago, ANGRYBUTTCRACK said:

Spoke to a friend who is Diablo #2289 and his friend is El Jeffe, around #1000, both are really frustrated on the delays, doing other off-road projects and are considering selling their spots. They still believe it will be a great product, but are tired of 'losing seasons, etc.'

RG got really really unlucky with the overall supply chain issues that are happening globally. That easily added a year IMO. 

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Honest question ABC. I assume your friends are desert people and this is not their first ever desert toy? If not then where did their current toys go? Why can’t they continue to use what they have, not losing a desert season and when the new car comes, then sell the current vehicles? 
 

I don’t get the people who say I’m losing another desert season if they are currently desert people? Or because they don’t have that much money tied up into the Speed car, maybe try to buy something else to tie them over? It does not have to be fancy to use until the Speed is available?  The one guys number is way out there, so how was clearly a later buyer. 

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4 minutes ago, NIKAL said:

Honest question ABC. I assume your friends are desert people and this is not their first ever desert toy? If not then where did their current toys go? Why can’t they continue to use what they have, not losing a desert season and when the new car comes, then sell the current vehicles? 
 

I don’t get the people who say I’m losing another desert season if they are currently desert people? Or because they don’t have that much money tied up into the Speed car, maybe try to buy something else to tie them over? It does not have to be fancy to use until the Speed is available?  The one guys number is way out there, so how was clearly a later buyer. 

I assume people believed Robby when he said 2020 delivery or whatever and sold their existing toys.  The high number could be getting back into the sport and picked the Speed UTV to be his chariot. Whether agree with these tactics, it's not hard to see how people end up in this situation.  

Not everyone will want to buy an overpriced toy in this market to make up for someone else's missed deadline, especially a used one that may be worth half its current price if TSHTF financially.

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16 hours ago, Lord of the Dunes said:

I'm already a Speed owners group member, plus the other Speed group that is open to the public. I didn't see a bunch of posts from disgruntled people.

You're the one who made the claim. It's up to you to prove it, not me. Are you seriously that computer illiterate? Can you get the little kid who showed you how to get on FB to cut n paste it for you?

 

13 minutes ago, Rockwood said:

Nope.  Dude did nothing to you and you're calling him an illiterate child.  

Where did this happen? Did it get deleted?

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10 minutes ago, DTA said:

Where did this happen? Did it get deleted?

Please.  Close enough.  Again, dude did nothing to him.  He's not "suggesting someone help him" like posted, he's saying the only reason he's on a computer is because a little kid is walking him through it, then tried to walk it back as not insulting and rude and he's just here to help.  Gimme a break.

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1 minute ago, Rockwood said:

Please.  Close enough.  Again, dude did nothing to him.  He's not "suggesting someone help him" like posted, he's saying the only reason he's on a computer is because a little kid is walking him through it, then tried to walk it back as not insulting and rude like he's some sort of saint.  

Well, close only counts in...well you know.

What he stated may have been tongue in cheek or an implication, but he didn't name call anybody.

You can accuse me of that and I'll admit it because it actually happened. 

On top of that, these are typed words. Its not the end of the world. Let the dude defend himself if he wants. 

 

In the end, it really isn't tough to post a screenshot or a link to something somebody is claiming.

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It's one thing to "Go back and forth" with a fellow member you have a little history of discussing topics with.

It's another thing (Douchebag move IMHO) when you clearly mock the intelligence or "Computer Savoy" of a newer member trying to be part of the discussion.

Thank God that certain EXTREMLY Knowledgeable Off-Road Community folks are comfortable and can handle their own on a Community Forum like GD, because there are folks out there that we are missing out on what they know...

Because certain folks cant see when they are just being unwelcoming. 

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5 minutes ago, DTA said:

Well, close only counts in...well you know.

What he stated may have been tongue in cheek or an implication, but he didn't name call anybody.

You can accuse me of that and I'll admit it because it actually happened. 

On top of that, these are typed words. Its not the end of the world. Let the dude defend himself if he wants. 

 

In the end, it really isn't tough to post a screenshot or a link to something somebody is claiming.

Right.  And if it was tongue in cheek and all in fun, he had a chance to let him know he was only kidding when it was obvious the other party wasn't fine with it.  I'll let @Weekend camper's words (and LOTD's reaction) sum it up:

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Not the first time this has happened.  Despite the name change, the behavior continues. 

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2 minutes ago, Rockwood said:

Right.  And if it was tongue in cheek and all in fun, he had a chance to let him know he was only kidding when it was obvious the other party wasn't fine with it.  I'll let @Weekend camper's words (and LOTD's reaction) sum it up:

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Not the first time this has happened.  Despite the name change, the behavior continues. 

His lack of knowledge in how to use a computer is the very definition of computer illiterate. Before that post, I tried to give him step by step instructions on how to copy a url. That's more than you or anyone else on here tried to do to help him. 

Notice how you completely ignored his name calling. Nothing new there.

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1 hour ago, funco4lizzle said:

The site will crash again and start over before the first car is delivered

Well, I'm not stealing Buff's name next time it crashes... Maybe Latin Lover or Angry Butt Crack.....

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32 minutes ago, Rockwood said:

I assume people believed Robby when he said 2020 delivery or whatever and sold their existing toys.  The high number could be getting back into the sport and picked the Speed UTV to be his chariot. Whether agree with these tactics, it's not hard to see how people end up in this situation.  

Not everyone will want to buy an overpriced toy in this market to make up for someone else's missed deadline, especially a used one that may be worth half its current price if TSHTF financially.

If this was the toy getting back into the sport it’s more understandable. But again only the first 500 we’re expected around Thanksgiving of 2020, and that was a completely different car. People need to drop the Estimated 2020 delivery date if they were not in the first 500. ABC’s one buddy is 2289, and a Diablo, so not even close! The other guy is 1000. So that means he put his deposit in around May 2020? Again way past the 500 mark. 
 

I just struggle to understand or feel sorry for someone who sold their toys, when the vehicle they are “ordering” is in development and it’s not hidden as to where & what they are doing as they have weekly updates in some format. Now if they got a personal phone call to arrange financing, and we’re given a date, then it did not deliver. I would then have more sympathy. 
 

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It really is a shame how people feel the need to post such argumentative comments, against such off-topic posts. It happens on every form of public forum and social media, which is a reason I ditched Facebook years ago, and simply use picture based media and ignore the comment sections. 

What should be a thread that has useable information about the topic at hand, get's turned into a meaningless, immature bickering match, that quickly covers up good, useful information to other readers looking for that useful information to the topic at hand.

If you guys want to throw your personal opinions at one another, you should meet up at the next off-road event and have at it in person, I'll officiate (based purely on entertainment factor for the crowd, rather than fairness and truthfulness). 

That is my opinion. Take it or leave it.

Here is my useful post to the thread topic:

If only I was smart enough before hand, I would have removed the cover from the Speed UTV gearbox I had in the back of the truck all weekend and displayed it in our Sand Show booth for all to see how stout they are compared to everything else. I am sure Robby would have forgiven me. Missed opportunities. 

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7 minutes ago, NIKAL said:

Now if they got a personal phone call to arrange financing, and we’re given a date, then it did not deliver. I would then have more sympathy. 
 

Agreed. 

By the way for those who don't know. Loans have been written for about 50 of the first orders.

And I may be mistaken, but cars need to be in their hands in a certain amount of time or those loans are null and void which would cause a huge issue with Speed and the bank. I think it's 60 or 90 days after the loan is signed.

Meaning, those first customers should be receiving their cars in the next month or 2. Whether that happens is anyone's guess.

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Hey, when the best guys in the industry say the parts are top notch....I'll take that.... Although I haven't seen them post any URLs....lately?????????????

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1 minute ago, NIKAL said:

If this was the toy getting back into the sport it’s more understandable. But again only the first 500 we’re expected around Thanksgiving of 2020, and that was a completely different car. People need to drop the Estimated 2020 delivery date if they were not in the first 500. ABC’s one buddy is 2289, and a Diablo, so not even close! The other guy is 1000. So that means he put his deposit in around May 2020? Again way past the 500 mark. 
 

I just struggle to understand or feel sorry for someone who sold their toys, when the vehicle they are “ordering” is in development and it’s not hidden as to where & what they are doing as they have weekly updates in some format. Now if they got a personal phone call to arrange financing, and we’re given a date, then it did not deliver. I would then have more sympathy. 

For you, yep, but you're in the industry.  For others, they see the "finalizing production!" posts and think they're close.  I wouldn't make the same decision, but I can see how someone would end up there.  

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12 minutes ago, DTA said:

Agreed. 

By the way for those who don't know. Loans have been written for about 50 of the first orders.

And I may be mistaken, but cars need to be in their hands in a certain amount of time or those loans are null and void which would cause a huge issue with Speed and the bank. I think it's 60 or 90 days after the loan is signed.

Meaning, those first customers should be receiving their cars in the next month or 2. Whether that happens is anyone's guess.

I know in the "Tool world", ALL product must be delivered at the time of signing a contract... With that being said, I would never sign anything until the car was in front of me. Doing a loan to a customer without furnishing the product at the time of signing said loan is bad business and just plain stupid for the customer.

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24 minutes ago, Sean@Weddle said:

It really is a shame how people feel the need to post such argumentative comments, against such off-topic posts. It happens on every form of public forum and social media, which is a reason I ditched Facebook years ago, and simply use picture based media and ignore the comment sections. 

What should be a thread that has useable information about the topic at hand, get's turned into a meaningless, immature bickering match, that quickly covers up good, useful information to other readers looking for that useful information to the topic at hand.

If you guys want to throw your personal opinions at one another, you should meet up at the next off-road event and have at it in person, I'll officiate (based purely on entertainment factor for the crowd, rather than fairness and truthfulness). 

That is my opinion. Take it or leave it.

Here is my useful post to the thread topic:

If only I was smart enough before hand, I would have removed the cover from the Speed UTV gearbox I had in the back of the truck all weekend and displayed it in our Sand Show booth for all to see how stout they are compared to everything else. I am sure Robby would have forgiven me. Missed opportunities. 

What’s a Face book? I’ve never read it. 😂 Well you’re more than welcomed with arms wide open in the Speed tech thread. 👍

Oh, and you can share your gear box pictures there too if you like!!

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23 minutes ago, KING OF GLAMIS said:

I know in the "Tool world", ALL product must be delivered at the time of signing a contract... With that being said, I would never sign anything until the car was in front of me. Doing a loan to a customer without furnishing the product at the time of signing said loan is bad business and just plain stupid for the customer.

I think they are more of approvals than anything. I think final loan docs are signed on delivery.

But I know in the real estate world and assuming here as well, the bank will only lock the rate and terms for a certain amount of time. 

If that expires, you could worse rate or terms, a second pull on credit, etc etc.

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