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Well first it was covid 19 then the Delta variant and now the new the Mu COVID-19 variant (also known as B.1.621) so there will be another vax or a booster. I believe this will never end until they have achieved the dna changing that they want.   

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3 hours ago, MWB said:

But you are. He has years of schooling, years of residency, years of private practice. Everything he has done up to this point is to train him to form an opinion as to what he feels is the best for each patient .  If you don't agree with him after a few internet articles and a pod cast. Maybe you should find another doctor. 

A good doctor should do his own due diligence in every Rx they write not what the Rx reps are pushing or what some catchy TV commercial is trying to get people to buy.  If you don't agree with your doctors research, then you should go doctor shopping. 

i will be shopping for a new dr. My best friend has access to some of the best dr's and info in the world, I trust what he says over a kid who is about 30 and a PA. He is the president of a huge company that deals in medical spine equipment, they have some major players from huge hospitals on their payroll.

I know 3 people who have taken iver.. and it cut their symptoms short. I was told about ivermectin back when covid first hit the us. at that time, it was being bought at tractor supply and being self dosed by some of my buddies. I have 2 that have stayed on the regimen with no issues, dosage based on body weight. That was a little out there for me, I'd take a rx, not sure about tractor supply lol.

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Kind of ironic that Biden is mandating the vax that about a year ago he said he wouldn't trust it because Trump was involved with the development of it.

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I pay through the butt for a PPO... my wife and family are on HMO.. that being said, my Dr. is a 'Sports Medicine' Doctor, who was raised anti-vax and ONLY takes CASH...

.. but I can get all the dope I want :rofl:

 

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1 hour ago, LegitDuner said:

I don't get why any freedom loving American can be for this. You might have personal views but this isn't "American"...if you think it is, you've lost touch 

 

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This is going to last another 2 or 3 years (or more)...unless 90% of the population gets vaccinated, period - end of story.  If you don't believe that by now you're not paying attention.  Pick your battle - argue for a variety of reasons to not get the vaccine and live with our current situation for another few years, or get the vaccine and feel like chit for 2 or 3 days.

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48 minutes ago, wesinls said:

This is going to last another 2 or 3 years (or more)...unless 90% of the population gets vaccinated, period - end of story.  If you don't believe that by now you're not paying attention.  Pick your battle - argue for a variety of reasons to not get the vaccine and live with our current situation for another few years, or get the vaccine and feel like chit for 2 or 3 days.

2-3 days??? you think that's all that's happening..... you my friend are wrong. I see patients everyday with covid vaccine related complications ranging from strokes, loss of active use of limbs (paralyzation), vision loss, blah blah blah. The point is as a proud American I will never "concede" as you have put it in order to get back to "normal". If that's what it takes to return to "normal" then count me out. Go live in China, North Korea, Cuba, they have similar trends they force on their people and now Australia.  FYI viruses never die. Ever. sooooo 🤔 please explain to me how abiding by this clowns "mandate" is doing anything but abusing power he doesnt have.

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18 hours ago, Mac said:

So the douchebag in chief is signing an executive order requiring private businesses that employ over 100 people to require all the employees to get the jab.

I seriously hate this administration.

My nieces husband is career coast guard. He is 10 years in and his senior chief has been hounding him to get vaccinated and finally last week issued a direct written order to get vaccinated. He has refused. He was inline for a commendation last thurs. which he chief tried to stop. He still got it, but after the ceremony he got pulled aside and was told by his senior chief that he is personally going to see to it that he is brought up on insubordination charges and dishonorably discharged. 

All this after a perfect 10 year start to what was supposed to be a career. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out. I told him to write gov abbot and ted cruise an appeal letter (they are in texas).

my wife works for the usps (15 years) she was gonna quit if they forced her to vax. Biden gave the post office an exemption....

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54 minutes ago, Sausage450r said:

my wife works for the usps (15 years) she was gonna quit if they forced her to vax. Biden gave the post office an exemption....

Yea, that completely blows my mind..

https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-exempts-postal-service-from-vaccine-mandate-comes-after-union-that-endorsed-him-objected

 

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55 minutes ago, Sausage450r said:

My nieces husband is career coast guard. He is 10 years in and his senior chief has been hounding him to get vaccinated and finally last week issued a direct written order to get vaccinated. He has refused. He was inline for a commendation last thurs. which he chief tried to stop. He still got it, but after the ceremony he got pulled aside and was told by his senior chief that he is personally going to see to it that he is brought up on insubordination charges and dishonorably discharged. 

All this after a perfect 10 year start to what was supposed to be a career. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out. I told him to write gov abbot and ted cruise an appeal letter (they are in texas).

my wife works for the usps (15 years) she was gonna quit if they forced her to vax. Biden gave the post office an exemption....

That’s a hell of a 2 weeks to flatten the curve.  

 

Seriously, whiskey tango foxtrot over.  

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So am I getting fired from my DoD job in 75 days, 99 days, or is it January 1st? Have heard all three. My supervisor has no idea so I figured I’d ask here where the knowledge base is. I mean a virus so deadly that they can mandate inoculations three months out instead of going door to door and ensuring each and every citizen prevents mankind being wiped out…

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If Trump had issued this mandate how many would abide?    

Going to be interesting to see how many people actually leave their good paying jobs over this.   I am guessing not as many as we think.   Where are they going to find a job that pays them similar money and does not have the same mandate?

We shall see how far the administration wants to push this and what legal suits ensue.   With the current supreme court maybe they go a different direction than the Supreme Court that held  mandatory small pox vaccines were allowed.  

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35 minutes ago, confyushus said:

Soooo, anyone know how to get one of the fake cards, asking for a friend....

Just make sure you don't get it from that lady that was arrested for having a fake card.  She could not spell Moderna correctly.   LOL!!!

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If every man woman and child got the shot tomorrow, COVID would still be here, people would still be spreading it and people would still be dying.  It is not going away ever.

The Government made a vaccine that could work better and who knows one day they might get it so it is better.

They made it free to get and easy to find a place to give it to you.  That should be the end of their involvement period.

They should continue to make it available and easy to get. 

What they shouldn't do is mandate that you get it, What I have no problem with them doing is continuing to protect you for the choice you made. No more government bailouts, Your insurance is going to have to cover you if you go into the hospital and if they want to raise your rates because of your vaccination status, well that is part of your decision making process isn't it.

 

Mandating the vaccine doesn't really do anything positive for anybody. Give people a choice, give them all the information they need to make an informed decision and leave it right there. 

 

 

 

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I think it’s funny that some people seem to think there is a master list of all people in the country and all we have to do is put a check next to everyone’s name. There is NO way to verify that every person in this country has gotten the vaccine.
 

Not sure when the goal was changed from flatten the curve to eradicate the virus from the face of the earth, but eradication will never happen. This is no longer about the virus, it’s about maintaining power and more importantly maintaining the newly acquired emergency powers.

 

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32 minutes ago, Sand Shark said:

If Trump had issued this mandate how many would abide?    

 

 More of his supporters would have trusted it. However the media and the left would 100% against it and demanding that we not let this tyrant force us to take this shot. We need way more science and years of research before taking i. 

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5 hours ago, wesinls said:

This is going to last another 2 or 3 years (or more)...unless 90% of the population gets vaccinated, period - end of story.  If you don't believe that by now you're not paying attention.  Pick your battle - argue for a variety of reasons to not get the vaccine and live with our current situation for another few years, or get the vaccine and feel like chit for 2 or 3 days.

You arent paying attention.

1 vaccine does not stop you from getting covid

2 vaccine does not stop you from spreading covid if you get it.

3 natural exposure is unanimously agreed to be the best thing to when it comes to exposure to other variants.

Yes. Vaccine nearly eliminates the possibility of dying or getting seriously ill from covid

covids nature and a habitually altering rhino virus means its NEVER going away. Thats why we still have the flu and common cold

its all bs. Open your eyes and maybe your mind.

its not about a vaccine its all a mental game to pit americans against each other

straight from the cdc’s website. Now you are informed if you paid attention

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There are several things about this directive that pisses me off, and I'm vaxed.

As most here know it's totally a political move, and Biden confirmed this by exempting the postal service due to pushback from their union. Also, there is no consideration given to those that have natural immunity from being exposed to the virus, which according to the "science" offers more protection over a longer period of time than the vax jab.

Biden's polling numbers are tanking across the board, including his handling of the pandemic. This is all about getting those numbers back up. 

And it will be interesting to see how the inevitable lawsuits work out. Maybe the carve outs the administration gave will bite them in the ass in court. I would bet the previous vax rulings by the SCOTUS did not have political carve outs. I may be simple minded, but I view a "mandate" as all or nothing?

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As the vaccinated attack the non-vaccinated and blame them for the vaccine not working, no one is looking at the hundreds of Americans being held hostage in Afghanistan. All thanks to the guy that says everyone needs to be vaxed.

Nothing will get better until we stand together. 

I'm old enough to remember when they said you would be protected from COVID if you got the juice. Just 14 days to flatten the curve. 

 

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20 minutes ago, badgas said:

 More of his supporters would have trusted it. However the media and the left would 100% against it and demanding that we not let this tyrant force us to take this shot. We need way more science and years of research before taking i. 

No I get the media would of jumped all over Trump if he issued a mandate.  He would say the sky is blue and the would say is was a liar.  LOL!   I am just curious if the people that are currently up in arms about the mandate would have a different view if Trump issued it.   

So the 20 plus years of them doing mRNA research is not enough? 

The vaccine is the product of Trump's operation warp speed and thanks to modern medicine they were able to get it done.   The rollout is the current administration and they have done a piss poor job on selling it to the public.   It takes years to completely eradicate a virus and Covid will be no different.  Small Pox, Measles, Polio and the others were not eradicated immediately after the vaccines were rolled out. 

 

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Wouldn’t take it if Jesus himself endorsed it. Trump or not I’ll be waiting to see how it pans out. Had the Vid twice now so according to Fauci I can’t give it to you and you can’t give it to me. So no, I will not be chipped.

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33 minutes ago, THD said:

There are several things about this directive that pisses me off, and I'm vaxed.

As most here know it's totally a political move, and Biden confirmed this by exempting the postal service due to pushback from their union. Also, there is no consideration given to those that have natural immunity from being exposed to the virus, which according to the "science" offers more protection over a longer period of time than the vax jab.

Biden's polling numbers are tanking across the board, including his handling of the pandemic. This is all about getting those numbers back up. 

And it will be interesting to see how the inevitable lawsuits work out. Maybe the carve outs the administration gave will bite them in the ass in court. I would bet the previous vax rulings by the SCOTUS did not have political carve outs. I may be simple minded, but I view a "mandate" as all or nothing?

The previous vaccine mandate for Small Pox SCOTUS ruled on had the important exceptions that the current one has - religious and medical reasons. Public health and safety  give the gov. broader powers as we have seen.   The current make up of the Supreme Court justices might interpret the constitutionality differently, but I do not see them venturing off unless there are some oddities they can attack.  

By the way the USPS employees are required to get the shot.     

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I tested COVID positive (vaccinated) last week, got it from another vaccinated coworker.

That being said, it was more of an annoyance, so the vaccine likely helped.  

Two of my friends early retired from Trader Joes because they were being forced to vaccine.  Stuck to their guns on it.

 

To me: personal choice.  Think the vaccine is more risk than covid?  Don't get it.  NMFP either way.  This chit is here to stay, vaccinated or not.

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25 minutes ago, Sand Shark said:

By the way the USPS employees are required to get the shot.     

Ya, I just read that. Apparently a Biden official said they were not subject to this order but they corrected that statement late last night.

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