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20 minutes ago, Crusty said:

I hate Politics.

I wish the Government and our Healthcare could address this pandemic without the Politics.

Too many people pushing their agendas for their own personal gains.

 

 

A lot of personal gain here. Fauci made $2 million during this pandemic. Over and above his ridiculous salary. Good for him? Peace

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On 1/17/2022 at 8:13 AM, Mac said:

Imagine what would be let out in the open if we bombed it?   NOW the is scary.

 

incendiary devices would definitely need to be used...  

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2 hours ago, HTElectrical said:

You can believe all they hype if you want, I know covid exists... I also know it was manufactured. Additionally there is proof that the drug co has a patent(can be found on the patent website) on the virus which proves it's man made vs being natural. I have seen panel after panel of Dr's and lecturers state how bad these so called vaccines are so I'll take my chances. I lived though CV19 in Feb 2020 before it was "the thing to have" and doctors didn't even know what the hell it was. My body is effed up enough from the experimental drugs/vax's we got in 91 & 92 when I was enlisted. I'm not doing that crap again. I just find it amazing that until now, there hasn't been a case of the common cold or flu, everything has been attributed to covid. 

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1 hour ago, Crusty said:

I hate Politics.

I wish the Government and our Healthcare could address this pandemic without the Politics.

Too many people pushing their agendas for their own personal gains.

 

I totally agree with you!!  You can not trust the doctors, Big Pharma, Govt.  etc....  They are all a bunch of lying crooks!!!

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Rest your minds.  The USPS is here to save you.  Free tests sent to you home..

https://special.usps.com/testkits

 

LET'S GET THOSE NUMBER BACK UP!!!!

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On 1/11/2022 at 7:40 AM, Sausage450r said:

My wife was sent home from her job yesterday with the usps. She has been with them for 15 years. Received star employee award. An award only given to a handfull of employees for exceptional service every year. Worked through all of covid. Double the load half the help. Today thanks to our bhole piece of chit president and every motherEffing democrat that supports him and his mandates. My wife loses her career and our family is out her meager income and now is  an addition 1600$/month in the hole for our systems worthless healthcare

 

truly, deeply Eff YOU JOE BIDEN

 

3 minutes ago, Kraut_n_Rice said:

Rest your minds.  The USPS is here to save you.  Free tests sent to you home..

https://special.usps.com/testkits

 

LET'S GET THOSE NUMBER BACK UP!!!!

 

Which make this even more strange.  They have enough for 4 per household, but none for the employees?

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47 minutes ago, Kraut_n_Rice said:

Rest your minds.  The USPS is here to save you.  Free tests sent to you home..

https://special.usps.com/testkits

 

LET'S GET THOSE NUMBER BACK UP!!!!

Oh our number are up. Basically in AZ we are double out highest we have ever had.  BUT... hospitalization rates are not.. Still, wife ordered our 4.  Even though it just went through if family like wildfire.  I think it was delta though. We should be good for a while...

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9 hours ago, EmpirE231 said:

Previously you had said, you are okay with employer vaccine mandates. I know the healthcare worker mandate was upheld... and obviously some people in healthcare are losing / leaving their jobs.... which contributes to the staff shortages. 

 I said that I support PRIVATE employers having the right to set rules for their business. You're a Christian baker and you don't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding? That should be your choice. You're gay and don't want to bake for a Christian. straight wedding? Your choice. You own a hardware store and don't want your cashier wearing a burka? You set the dress code. Lets say hypothetically speaking, a guy that builds engines, has 6 employees, and his wife is at home fighting cancer and would pretty much be sure to die if she got sick. He feels that although he is a card carrying good ole boy that doesn't believe in mandates, votes conservative, has a sick collection of guns, etc. that even if its a miniscule chance that getting vaxed, and that telling his employees that as much as he hates to do it, they need to get vaxed because HE thinks it might be best for his situation, I believe he should have that right. His employees can either go along or sadly look for another job. Its not that I support anyone losing their jobs, its just think that its a slippery slope when the Government or courts can interfere with a voluntary contract between a employer and employee. I've owned my own business for over 30 years now, and I would never mandate that the people I work with get vaxed, but if I wanted to, I should have that right or they can work for someone else. BTW, most hospitals, including the one my wife works at, have mandated the common flu shot, or wearing a mask for a long time. 

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1 hour ago, Surf and Dune said:

 I said that I support PRIVATE employers having the right to set rules for their business. You're a Christian baker and you don't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding? That should be your choice. You're gay and don't want to bake for a Christian. straight wedding? Your choice. You own a hardware store and don't want your cashier wearing a burka? You set the dress code. Lets say hypothetically speaking, a guy that builds engines, has 6 employees, and his wife is at home fighting cancer and would pretty much be sure to die if she got sick. He feels that although he is a card carrying good ole boy that doesn't believe in mandates, votes conservative, has a sick collection of guns, etc. that even if its a miniscule chance that getting vaxed, and that telling his employees that as much as he hates to do it, they need to get vaxed because HE thinks it might be best for his situation, I believe he should have that right. His employees can either go along or sadly look for another job. 

Comparing painting a rainbow/wearing a scarf to experimental injections?

"Ain't even the same mutahfuking sport!"

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2 hours ago, Surf and Dune said:

 I said that I support PRIVATE employers having the right to set rules for their business. You're a Christian baker and you don't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding? That should be your choice. You're gay and don't want to bake for a Christian. straight wedding? Your choice. You own a hardware store and don't want your cashier wearing a burka? You set the dress code. Lets say hypothetically speaking, a guy that builds engines, has 6 employees, and his wife is at home fighting cancer and would pretty much be sure to die if she got sick. He feels that although he is a card carrying good ole boy that doesn't believe in mandates, votes conservative, has a sick collection of guns, etc. that even if its a miniscule chance that getting vaxed, and that telling his employees that as much as he hates to do it, they need to get vaxed because HE thinks it might be best for his situation, I believe he should have that right. His employees can either go along or sadly look for another job. Its not that I support anyone losing their jobs, its just think that its a slippery slope when the Government or courts can interfere with a voluntary contract between a employer and employee. I've owned my own business for over 30 years now, and I would never mandate that the people I work with get vaxed, but if I wanted to, I should have that right or they can work for someone else. BTW, most hospitals, including the one my wife works at, have mandated the common flu shot, or wearing a mask for a long time. 

So you're saying that the gov't doesn't have the right to force someone to get vaccinated, but a private citizen does?

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7 hours ago, Kraut_n_Rice said:

 

 

Which make this even more strange.  They have enough for 4 per household, but none for the employees?

So the mandate is off now. She is back at work, now with an official letter of reprimand and warning that she must mask while in the office (another thing we are completely against)

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27 minutes ago, Lord of the Dunes said:

So you're saying that the gov't doesn't have the right to force someone to get vaccinated, but a private citizen does?

 Please explain to me how a private citizen can "force" someone to get vaccinated? I was always under the impression that private business owners and employees engaged in a mutually agreed contract ? I guess that's where we differ. You feel that working for a privately owned business is a right. That's a very Progressive position....

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1 hour ago, Bansh88 said:

Comparing painting a rainbow/wearing a scarf to experimental injections?

"Ain't even the same mutahfuking sport!"

   Really? That's what you got out of that those examples? 

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48 minutes ago, Surf and Dune said:

 Please explain to me how a private citizen can "force" someone to get vaccinated? I was always under the impression that private business owners and employees engaged in a mutually agreed contract ? I guess that's where we differ. You feel that working for a privately owned business is a right. That's a very Progressive position....

Yes. Mutually agreed contract.

Then one of them UNILATERALLY decides that the other one must get vaccinated in order to keep his job, feed his family. He changed the terms of employment, AFTER hiring the employee for the job.

What if the shoe was on the other foot? What if the employee's wife was the one with cancer and he decided to force everyone else at work to get vaccinated?

Does that work the same way?

Does it occur to you that the underlying principle for the SCOTUS decision is that everyone has control of their own bodies, their own medical procedures. An employer doesn't have the right to mandate that an employee must undergo a medical procedure in order to keep their job. The gov't doesn't have that power and neither does a private employer.

As an employer, can you tell one of your employees to get an abortion? I think you're smart enough to see where this is going. Vaccination is also a medical procedure and no employer has that power, regardless of the excuse given to try and demand it.

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What we’ve learned in the past 10 years....

An employer can/can’t...

you can force a healthy person to wear a mask

you cannot say a muslim cannot wear a bee keeper uniform

you cannot tell a dood to dress like a man

you cannot in some states refuse to bake a cake

You cannot express a conservative opinion

you cannot disagree with a leftist opinion

you can require id to buy a gun and a vaccine passport to do anything

requiring an id to vote is racist

You cannot check for criminal history when searching for job applicant

you cannot say, that guy was a real pos when a company calls to check a former employees history. You can only say he worked there

drug addicts are just homeless people held down by racist white capitalists

Federalizing elections, and making it so any juan ricardo or hidalgo can vote regardless of citizenship is “voter rights”  and not a monarchy of the majority. 

You cannot tell the truth if it polls bad with democrats

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56 minutes ago, Lord of the Dunes said:

Yes. Mutually agreed contract.

Then one of them UNILATERALLY decides that the other one must get vaccinated in order to keep his job, feed his family. He changed the terms of employment, AFTER hiring the employee for the job.

What if the shoe was on the other foot? What if the employee's wife was the one with cancer and he decided to force everyone else at work to get vaccinated?

Does that work the same way?

Does it occur to you that the underlying principle for the SCOTUS decision is that everyone has control of their own bodies, their own medical procedures. An employer doesn't have the right to mandate that an employee must undergo a medical procedure in order to keep their job. The gov't doesn't have that power and neither does a private employer.

As an employer, can you tell one of your employees to get an abortion? I think you're smart enough to see where this is going. Vaccination is also a medical procedure and no employer has that power, regardless of the excuse given to try and demand it.

 The SCOTUS opinion had to do with the Feds mandating vaccinations for companies with over 100 employees, which I have agreed with from day one. I don't thinks the Feds should have that power over private business's. I don't think there is a perfect answer to the issue. You and I could both give solid examples to back our points of view that the other would have a hard time arguing against. I am not even saying that I agree that its good policy for any private company to require their employees to get vaxed. My point is that nobody has the RIGHT to a job. You take that job willingly, and if you don't like the conditions, then leave and start your own business, or go to another company that has an atmosphere that suits you. 

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7 minutes ago, Surf and Dune said:

 The SCOTUS opinion had to do with the Feds mandating vaccinations for companies with over 100 employees, which I have agreed with from day one. I don't thinks the Feds should have that power over private business's. I don't think there is a perfect answer to the issue. You and I could both give solid examples to back our points of view that the other would have a hard time arguing against. I am not even saying that I agree that its good policy for any private company to require their employees to get vaxed. My point is that nobody has the RIGHT to a job. You take that job willingly, and if you don't like the conditions, then leave and start your own business, or go to another company that has an atmosphere that suits you. 

As all of the experts are pointing out, this is the "Mass Resignation" of the employee. At no other point in history have so many Americans quit their jobs, for various reasons. Many companies are desperate to fill their positions and employees are now being very choosey about which jobs they take. Now is probably not the best time for an employer to demand people get vaccinated.

Back to jobs and vaccine mandates. True, no one has a right to a job, but more importantly, the Constitution prohibits the gov't from mandating that people get vaccinated against their will. 

If the gov't doesn't have the authority to demand that people get vaccinated to keep their jobs, what kind of logic says that one private citizen has the right to mandate that another private citizen must get vaccinated to keep their job?

The last I heard, employees got paid to go to work, that's it. The employer doesn't have any say about their private life or the right to even ask if they're gay, much less fire them for being gay. When it comes to a person's medical status or medical record, that is also private, which includes their vaccination status.

I know a guy who is a county employee whose boss told him to get vaccinated and to report to work dealing with the public. His doctor has written numerous letters to the guy's dept. head explaining that due to his compromised immune system, he will not allow his patient to be vaccinated nor forced to work with the public. The dept. is using a county provided attorney to force the issue and the county provided an attorney to the employee. So far they've had something like 3 hearings and in all 3 hearings the employee's attorney has been winning based on constitutional grounds. So far, it's been a huge waste of county money and it's not over yet. In this guy's case, according to his doctor either getting vaxxed or catching covid would be a death sentence.

The point is, they're not arguing over this based on who he works for - his attorney has so far successfully argued it's a violation of his constitutional rights and his doctor claims it's sure death.

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13 hours ago, Surf and Dune said:

 I said that I support PRIVATE employers having the right to set rules for their business. You're a Christian baker and you don't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding? That should be your choice. You're gay and don't want to bake for a Christian. straight wedding? Your choice. You own a hardware store and don't want your cashier wearing a burka? You set the dress code. Lets say hypothetically speaking, a guy that builds engines, has 6 employees, and his wife is at home fighting cancer and would pretty much be sure to die if she got sick. He feels that although he is a card carrying good ole boy that doesn't believe in mandates, votes conservative, has a sick collection of guns, etc. that even if its a miniscule chance that getting vaxed, and that telling his employees that as much as he hates to do it, they need to get vaxed because HE thinks it might be best for his situation, I believe he should have that right. His employees can either go along or sadly look for another job. Its not that I support anyone losing their jobs, its just think that its a slippery slope when the Government or courts can interfere with a voluntary contract between a employer and employee. I've owned my own business for over 30 years now, and I would never mandate that the people I work with get vaxed, but if I wanted to, I should have that right or they can work for someone else. BTW, most hospitals, including the one my wife works at, have mandated the common flu shot, or wearing a mask for a long time. 

As much as I hate some of the rules, you're right... can't have it both ways.(well, we can't anyway :lol: )

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Well, Well...

The CDC now announces the natural immunity is better than the jabs. Who'da thunk it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/natural-immunity-gives-better-protection-212744441.html

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well what about NYC requiring kid to be vaccinated to go to school, restaurant , public parks. you cant do anything in NYC without a vaccine passport. even thou the fed cant mandate the local govt is

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If your kid is 12 in California he can decide to get the shot himself if it passes. Imagine the peer pressure that will ensue. 

I would seriously lose my chit if my kid did it.

 

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article257567123.html

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