Forum Moderator SandTrap Posted December 26, 2021 Member ID: 7 Group: Forum Moderator Followers: 1 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 2,611 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 1,072 Achievement Points: 19,853 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/30/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: Wednesday at 09:50 PM Birthday: 05/09/1971 Device: Windows Forum Moderator Share Posted December 26, 2021 Damn I just dont Have the words man.. Sorry Buddy.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickc313 Posted December 26, 2021 Member ID: 528 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 48 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 71 Achievement Points: 361 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/06/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 10 Device: iPhone Share Posted December 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Grease Monkey said: John didn't open it up this time. Just checked it out. It's a special block that Gary originally built with custom o ringed heads. I've got it cleaned out and running with no coolant. Couple of oil changes so it's clean inside. It's running great. Just an internal coolant issue right now. Gotchya, hopefully y'all can get it figured out quick. You are sooooo close to the finish line man. It's always something... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjZ06 Posted December 27, 2021 Member ID: 1,109 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 907 Content Per Day: 0.87 Reputation: 1,064 Achievement Points: 6,467 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/09/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted December 27, 2021 Ffffuuuuuu that's a bummer man. Can't say I haven't been in a very similar situation. -TJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt86m Posted December 27, 2021 Member ID: 335 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 63 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 990 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 1,179 Achievement Points: 7,696 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 16 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted December 27, 2021 I have no words GM! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasingSand Posted December 27, 2021 Member ID: 219 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 74 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 823 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 404 Achievement Points: 5,966 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 1 hour ago Birthday: 04/17/1985 Device: iPhone Share Posted December 27, 2021 Sorry to see that!! Always on the 5 yard line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Moderator John@Outfront Posted December 27, 2021 Member ID: 8 Group: Forum Moderator Followers: 3 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 1,239 Content Per Day: 1.14 Reputation: 1,593 Achievement Points: 10,932 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 04/30/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 7 hours ago Birthday: 02/19/1962 Device: Windows Forum Moderator Share Posted December 27, 2021 Going to check it out asap. Rain forecast isn’t helping. We are working it out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Grease Monkey Posted December 27, 2021 Member ID: 5 Group: Administrators Followers: 3 Topic Count: 469 Topics Per Day: 0.43 Content Count: 1,932 Content Per Day: 1.78 Reputation: 2,888 Achievement Points: 19,963 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 20 Joined: 04/29/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 01/21/1972 Device: Android Author Administrators Share Posted December 27, 2021 The inspiration for the GM52 2 years ago today I took this picture. Blend both cars into one dream. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage42 Posted December 27, 2021 Member ID: 387 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 125 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 142 Achievement Points: 1,032 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/06/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Device: iPhone Share Posted December 27, 2021 Hot damn, looks awesome!! Very well done!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Moderator SandTrap Posted December 28, 2021 Member ID: 7 Group: Forum Moderator Followers: 1 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 2,611 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 1,072 Achievement Points: 19,853 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/30/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: Wednesday at 09:50 PM Birthday: 05/09/1971 Device: Windows Forum Moderator Share Posted December 28, 2021 Any Update from John Yet on what is wrong?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Sponsor Fullthrottleguy Posted December 28, 2021 Member ID: 188 Group: Site Sponsor Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,029 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 1,353 Achievement Points: 9,298 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 1 hour ago Birthday: 11/01/1968 Device: Macintosh Site Sponsor Share Posted December 28, 2021 What doesn't kill ya makes you stronger - I guess ... - It still sucks, but a Grease Monkey knows as well as anyone that if its mechanical it will break. Just sometimes timing blows -sorry man... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Grease Monkey Posted December 28, 2021 Member ID: 5 Group: Administrators Followers: 3 Topic Count: 469 Topics Per Day: 0.43 Content Count: 1,932 Content Per Day: 1.78 Reputation: 2,888 Achievement Points: 19,963 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 20 Joined: 04/29/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 01/21/1972 Device: Android Author Administrators Share Posted December 28, 2021 We're guessing it's a head gasket. Won't know more until we can get together. Our schedules are busy that's for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjZ06 Posted December 28, 2021 Member ID: 1,109 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 907 Content Per Day: 0.87 Reputation: 1,064 Achievement Points: 6,467 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/09/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted December 28, 2021 Once upon a time I got a motor back from a fresh rebuild. We had upped the compression and a few other things, and it made great power. But, within a day I got a ticking/knocking and back to the builder it went. Cracked sleeve. I can't really blame the builder, because I had brought them that block (sleeved LS2 block out at like 4.185") which had already been through hell. That said, the cylinder walls were supposedly sonic checked for thickness and of course also checked for cracking. It's hard to even remember all the rebuilds, but I believe it was directly after that when I sprung for that builder's new fancy block (rebranded RHS) and had them rebuild it once again that it started huffing white smoke within one trip. Back it went, and supposedly everything checked out... no blown head gaskets, cylinder walls all good, I thought maybe it was a crack in a head since the head castings themselves had lived through a good half a dozen iterations of that motor. But in the end, I was told one of the decks wasn't square. Still not sure how much I believe that, since a) it was a brand new block, wouldn't it have gone out for machine work including ensuring the decks were square b) if that was the cause, why did they say there were no signs of a blown head gasket or coolant making it from water jack to combustion chamber? Of course, I have no better theory, other than maybe somebody forgot to make the last pass torqueing one of the heads or something. Anyway, been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. I'm sure John will get it worked out, but total bummer when it ruins a trip you've been waiting for so long. -TJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Moderator John@Outfront Posted December 28, 2021 Member ID: 8 Group: Forum Moderator Followers: 3 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 1,239 Content Per Day: 1.14 Reputation: 1,593 Achievement Points: 10,932 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 04/30/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 7 hours ago Birthday: 02/19/1962 Device: Windows Forum Moderator Share Posted December 28, 2021 3 hours ago, tjZ06 said: Once upon a time I got a motor back from a fresh rebuild. We had upped the compression and a few other things, and it made great power. But, within a day I got a ticking/knocking and back to the builder it went. Cracked sleeve. I can't really blame the builder, because I had brought them that block (sleeved LS2 block out at like 4.185") which had already been through hell. That said, the cylinder walls were supposedly sonic checked for thickness and of course also checked for cracking. It's hard to even remember all the rebuilds, but I believe it was directly after that when I sprung for that builder's new fancy block (rebranded RHS) and had them rebuild it once again that it started huffing white smoke within one trip. Back it went, and supposedly everything checked out... no blown head gaskets, cylinder walls all good, I thought maybe it was a crack in a head since the head castings themselves had lived through a good half a dozen iterations of that motor. But in the end, I was told one of the decks wasn't square. Still not sure how much I believe that, since a) it was a brand new block, wouldn't it have gone out for machine work including ensuring the decks were square b) if that was the cause, why did they say there were no signs of a blown head gasket or coolant making it from water jack to combustion chamber? Of course, I have no better theory, other than maybe somebody forgot to make the last pass torqueing one of the heads or something. Anyway, been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. I'm sure John will get it worked out, but total bummer when it ruins a trip you've been waiting for so long. -TJ yep i hear you. this motor had no internal work done to it from us. it was all cosmetic and prepping for a new ecu, etc a single cam was replaced because our ecu requires factory sensors and this was a motor and ecu from another builder and they made their own sensor and trigger on the factory cam. oil pan was removed for inspection inside and the timing cover and that's it. heads, head studs and all of the lower end are from the motor build in 2019. it got here and we are working on it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjZ06 Posted December 28, 2021 Member ID: 1,109 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 907 Content Per Day: 0.87 Reputation: 1,064 Achievement Points: 6,467 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/09/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted December 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, John@Outfront said: yep i hear you. this motor had no internal work done to it from us. it was all cosmetic and prepping for a new ecu, etc a single cam was replaced because our ecu requires factory sensors and this was a motor and ecu from another builder and they made their own sensor and trigger on the factory cam. oil pan was removed for inspection inside and the timing cover and that's it. heads, head studs and all of the lower end are from the motor build in 2019. it got here and we are working on it To be clear, I wasn't trying to put it on you. I was just saying I can relate to GM's situation, not that my situation was identical (in my case, internal work *was* done before I got the motor back both times). -TJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Grease Monkey Posted December 30, 2021 Member ID: 5 Group: Administrators Followers: 3 Topic Count: 469 Topics Per Day: 0.43 Content Count: 1,932 Content Per Day: 1.78 Reputation: 2,888 Achievement Points: 19,963 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 20 Joined: 04/29/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 01/21/1972 Device: Android Author Administrators Share Posted December 30, 2021 Ok, John figured out what side to start on. Compression test showed the center cylinder at 130 psi against all the others at 180psi. This was good news to me this morning. Lower compression not lost compression can be a good thing with the symptoms it had. John got the head off this afternoon and there it was. Blown head gasket. The block and copper fire deck ring appear to be fine. Now we pull the drivers side head and give it a look. Going to upgrade the head studs one more level from what they are. This will allow them to torque the heads down a tad more. Nothing wrong with more clamping force. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Moderator ROBERT L Posted December 30, 2021 Member ID: 31 Group: Board Moderator Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 4,075 Content Per Day: 3.76 Reputation: 3,151 Achievement Points: 26,886 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 16 Joined: 05/01/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Device: iPhone Board Moderator Share Posted December 30, 2021 Glad it wasn’t a major catastrophe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Grease Monkey Posted January 3, 2022 Member ID: 5 Group: Administrators Followers: 3 Topic Count: 469 Topics Per Day: 0.43 Content Count: 1,932 Content Per Day: 1.78 Reputation: 2,888 Achievement Points: 19,963 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 20 Joined: 04/29/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 01/21/1972 Device: Android Author Administrators Share Posted January 3, 2022 Opposite side of the engine was close to letting go as well. Glad it's getting done and less to worry about for the rest of the season. Looking forward to starting our season. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Sponsor Kraut_n_Rice Posted January 3, 2022 Member ID: 751 Group: Site Sponsor Followers: 2 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,243 Content Per Day: 2.09 Reputation: 1,728 Achievement Points: 14,618 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 2 Joined: 05/09/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 09/10/1978 Device: Windows Site Sponsor Share Posted January 3, 2022 Deck the heads and fresh gaskets? Or was the block damaged too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Grease Monkey Posted January 3, 2022 Member ID: 5 Group: Administrators Followers: 3 Topic Count: 469 Topics Per Day: 0.43 Content Count: 1,932 Content Per Day: 1.78 Reputation: 2,888 Achievement Points: 19,963 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 20 Joined: 04/29/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 01/21/1972 Device: Android Author Administrators Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Kraut_n_Rice said: Deck the heads and fresh gaskets? Or was the block damaged too? Block has been o ringed. Copper wire inlay into the block at the top of each cylinder. Block look good. Heads appear good and will be checked. Hoping for just head gaskets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjZ06 Posted January 3, 2022 Member ID: 1,109 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 907 Content Per Day: 0.87 Reputation: 1,064 Achievement Points: 6,467 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/09/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Grease Monkey said: Block has been o ringed. Copper wire inlay into the block at the top of each cylinder. Block look good. Heads appear good and will be checked. Hoping for just head gaskets. Well, at least that's pretty good news. -TJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Sponsor Fullthrottleguy Posted January 4, 2022 Member ID: 188 Group: Site Sponsor Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,029 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 1,353 Achievement Points: 9,298 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 1 hour ago Birthday: 11/01/1968 Device: Macintosh Site Sponsor Share Posted January 4, 2022 11 hours ago, Grease Monkey said: Block has been o ringed. Copper wire inlay into the block at the top of each cylinder. Block look good. Heads appear good and will be checked. Hoping for just head gaskets. If everything is "square" that will be good news - fast fix - I hope you are using new copper wire - been down the path on Blown Big Blocks, I wish they had a few more head bolts... Always ran either and MLS gasket or dead soft copper head gasket with o rings (and lots of water sealer - the down side of copper gaskets) but its worth it to "push" the boost - I hope its done soon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Moderator SandTrap Posted January 8, 2022 Member ID: 7 Group: Forum Moderator Followers: 1 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 2,611 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 1,072 Achievement Points: 19,853 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/30/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: Wednesday at 09:50 PM Birthday: 05/09/1971 Device: Windows Forum Moderator Share Posted January 8, 2022 Hope its going back together for some sand time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Grease Monkey Posted January 8, 2022 Member ID: 5 Group: Administrators Followers: 3 Topic Count: 469 Topics Per Day: 0.43 Content Count: 1,932 Content Per Day: 1.78 Reputation: 2,888 Achievement Points: 19,963 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 20 Joined: 04/29/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 01/21/1972 Device: Android Author Administrators Share Posted January 8, 2022 John's on it. Monday running is the plan. Heads back on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Sponsor Fullthrottleguy Posted January 8, 2022 Member ID: 188 Group: Site Sponsor Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,029 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 1,353 Achievement Points: 9,298 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 1 hour ago Birthday: 11/01/1968 Device: Macintosh Site Sponsor Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Grease Monkey said: John's on it. Monday running is the plan. Heads back on. Glad John is doing that timing chain setup and not me 😀 Are those engines VVT? Like the WRX STI? If so do you use that to adjust timing under boost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Grease Monkey Posted January 8, 2022 Member ID: 5 Group: Administrators Followers: 3 Topic Count: 469 Topics Per Day: 0.43 Content Count: 1,932 Content Per Day: 1.78 Reputation: 2,888 Achievement Points: 19,963 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 20 Joined: 04/29/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 01/21/1972 Device: Android Author Administrators Share Posted January 8, 2022 It has VVT, I don't remember if we worked that into the tune. John and I talked about it a long time ago. We replaced one broken VVT sensor but not sure if that was being used for timing reference or the actual VVT system. If I recall correctly, it's a minor boost in performance. Most wouldn't even know it was there in the sand. John has set these up for a few other owners that wanted it but again, it's not a game changer so I'm told. @John@Outfront your input please. Thanks. And I don't mean to be ignorant on my own stuff. Guess I have a lot of trust in John and well its basically "race car" attitude. I am busy with business and life and so is John. Just wanting some Glamis life release. I trust John. Others have done me wrong. My glamis time is a release like I've said before. John IMO has the same experience. It's nice to work with like minded duners in this business. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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