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According to what I've read, L.A. teachers get full free medical. The 4 teachers I know, none pays more than a few hundred a month for their families medical. One of them was complaining a few years back because her district raised her portion on her medical costs to $75 per month. And they all have told me that they will be eligible for max retirement benefits after 30 yrs on the job. 

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15 hours ago, Romans9 said:

Here in Missouri they used the same tactic when passing casino  gambling, The part they failed to advertise was that for every funding dollar that came in the front  from gambling, a dollar of appropriations fell off the back and went back to the general fund, also know as a “slush” fund. Tax payers got zero relief.

 

Federal and state government has no business in education, it should be entirely local through the city and county.

”Education” is an industry and its primary goal is not to educate it is to fleece money from serfs. 

 

Edited to say: Teachers get caught in the middle.

We are missing the actual battle with squabbling about teachers.

 

In California nothing happens in education without the blessing of the teacher's union, they are THE problem.

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14 hours ago, mykeg11 said:

It’s unreal what they put up with. Im a teacher and remember when we went on strike about 15 years ago.  The media tried to vilify us as greedy for wanting a raise...bla  bla. What really stuck with me was that everyone who talks s***  are most likely just bitter that they aren’t in a union. I teach in a very difficult area, at a school where you have to beg parents to come to conferences. When they don’t show up we get reprimanded by admin as if its our fault. Its all good though- teaching is a great gig if you can focus on why you’re there. I like the comments on here though, I can see why kids are having the problems they have. 😉

 

Because their parents were victims of public education? Which profession wouldn't want the ability to decide how its success is measured? You're in the business of "creating good citizens" now right? 

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13 hours ago, mykeg11 said:

Let’s just stop blaiming teachers. They are caught in the middle. Being pulled in each direction is not a great feeling. But when you work hard you want to be compensated for it. Anyone can ask another person what thy do for a living and try to obliterate their worth.

example (which I do not believe myself, except for #5)

1. Cop- waste of money. “All they do is drive around, take their time getting to calls, and harrass minorities.”

2. Firemen- paid to workout, cook awesome meals, pass out stickers to school kids, sleep, and wait around for an occasional old person dying”

3. Anyone in UTV business- “grown men make toys for grown men!” 

4. Small business owner-( Didnt go to college)“Inherited it and hate it ,  fricken Unions!”

5. BLM-  a fool says, “Those idiots are picking on me and just want our tax dollars!” (Overseeing how many drunks haved crashed and  killed innocent riders and kids this season in Glamis ). 

Signed, 

An 80% Rep and 20% Dem. 😱

 

Over $220 million spent by the California Teacher's association on electing politicians and there's no blame? How exactly does the Teacher's #1 priority of preserving tenure status help students?

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11 minutes ago, BaBaBouy said:

Because their parents were victims of public education? Which profession wouldn't want the ability to decide how its success is measured? You're in the business of "creating good citizens" now right? 

 How are you a victim of public education?

How do I decide how my success is measured? 

And yes, 100% 

 

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13 hours ago, mykeg11 said:

Highly exaggerated response. 

You say we teachers should “Demand, Force, and Change,” but that’s not how the real world works. And it definitely doesn’t work in the private sector 🤐

Classroom teachers only get raises if and when the word strike comes up. And have to get a Masters degree to move up the pay scale. The strike is a last that they don’t want to do but finally have some support to back them on something.  Im curious to know what job you have and the education you earned for yourself that pays so little compared to your sister? I can help you plan a career change if you need. 

 

Once again, in the private sector we don't have the luxury of moving the goal posts. If we don't like the metric being used to quantify our efforts we can't just change our mandate. When graduation rates dropped and kids were graduating high school with a 5th and 6th grade comprehension of reading and writing  public education decided their mandate was to create "good citizens." When white students were doing better than their black / Hispanic counterparts success was declared by lowering the achievements of the whites to "narrow the gap."

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5 minutes ago, BaBaBouy said:

Over $220 million spent by the California Teacher's association on electing politicians and there's no blame? How exactly does the Teacher's #1 priority of preserving tenure status help students?

I dont speak for the Union just teachers. I do my job well so never have even thought of so called #1 Tenure status. Ive got a thousand other more important things. Tell you what, all you bitching on here pull your kids, grandkids etc out of school and do it yourselves and see how it turns out. Most here are so full of crap its sickening. Your facts are way off and you place yourselves on a pedestal as if what you do is so important to society. 

 

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2 minutes ago, mykeg11 said:

 How are you a victim of public education?

How do I decide how my success is measured? 

And yes, 100% 

 

I was fortunate enough to attend private school through 8th grade. I attended public high school. I did the 12th grade public school curriculum in private school 5th grade. Public school students that are graduated from high school lacking basic education are unprepared, victims.

The total failure of public education is evident, when the numbers got ugly the bar was lowered to graduate more students. When the numbers got uglier we were told that creating good citizens was the primary goal, self regulated success. 

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2 minutes ago, mykeg11 said:

I dont speak for the Union just teachers. I do my job well so never have even thought of so called #1 Tenure status. Ive got a thousand other more important things. Tell you what, all you bitching on here pull your kids, grandkids etc out of school and do it yourselves and see how it turns out. Most here are so full of crap its sickening. Your facts are way off and you place yourselves on a pedestal as if what you do is so important to society. 

 

I wouldn't want to address specifics either if I were you...

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2 minutes ago, mykeg11 said:

I dont speak for the Union just teachers. I do my job well so never have even thought of so called #1 Tenure status. Ive got a thousand other more important things. Tell you what, all you bitching on here pull your kids, grandkids etc out of school and do it yourselves and see how it turns out. Most here are so full of crap its sickening. Your facts are way off and you place yourselves on a pedestal as if what you do is so important to society. 

 

Try to temper your emotions and consider the question BBB presented to you. It’s a good question that helps to reveal some of the problems in government education. By your response you appear to be unreasonable and unwilling to contemplate that there is even a possibity of any problem.

 

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8 minutes ago, Romans9 said:

Try to temper your emotions and consider the question BBB presented to you. It’s a good question that helps to reveal some of the problems in government education. By your response you appear to be unreasonable and unwilling to contemplate that there is even a possibity of any problem.

 

 Extremely well said, thank you!

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5 minutes ago, Romans9 said:

Try to temper your emotions and consider the question BBB presented to you. It’s a good question that helps to reveal some of the problems in government education. By your response you appear to be unreasonable and unwilling to contemplate that there is even a possibity of any problem.

 

I'm having special feelings directed at you right now, very confusing.

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1 minute ago, Romans9 said:

Try to temper your emotions and consider the question BBB presented to you. It’s a good question that helps to reveal some of the problems in government education. By your response you appear to be unreasonable and unwilling to contemplate that there is even a possibity of any problem.

 

There are many problems in public education. But there many problems in private schools, Charters, home schooling..etc. I agree with you and have always been “emotional 😁”, saying what I feel has put me on the hot seat a few times. 

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2 minutes ago, mykeg11 said:

There are many problems in public education. But there many problems in private schools, Charters, home schooling..etc. I agree with you and have always been “emotional 😁”, saying what I feel has put me on the hot seat a few times. 

We're not forced to fund private schools, charters or home schooling. The issue here is LAUSD teachers demanding more compensation and feedback from those who'll be forced to fund it. The Teacher's Union special interest monopoly on public education borders on criminal. If a teacher is funding the union's political agenda through union dues that teacher is complicit.

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One question has come up that I have thought about for a long time.

How does one gauge the success of an individual teacher? Tests? Then we are told that teachers will just teach students how to take tests. 

So Keg11, I ask your professional opinion, how does one measure the success of the individual. 

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23 minutes ago, BaBaBouy said:

I'm having special feelings directed at you right now, very confusing.

 

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4 minutes ago, WLD-OTZ said:

One question has come up that I have thought about for a long time.

How does one gauge the success of an individual teacher? Tests? Then we are told that teachers will just teach students how to take tests. 

So Keg11, I ask your professional opinion, how does one measure the success of the individual. 

This is what I witnessed with my wife at a store.  This young lady comes up to her and thanked her for caring and pushing her to be a better person and student. This young lady was a at risk child from East Los Angeles so you can imagine.  My wife has a whole bunch more stories like this.   

 

On a side note my wife retired because the kids now are so out of control.  

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Just now, ROBERT L said:

This is what I witnessed with my wife at a store.  This young lady comes up to her and thanked her for caring and pushing her to be a better person and student. This young lady was a at risk child from East Los Angeles so you can imagine.  My wife has a whole bunch more stories like this.   

 

On a side note my wife retired because the kids now are so out of control.  

Mrs. Bouy was contacted by a former student, the student was finishing her master's degree. The student's thesis was based on the importance of teachers in kinder / 1st grade and how their efforts can shape lives. Mrs. Bouy was commented on / quoted in the student's paper, was really cool to have a former student 16 years later share her story  on what an impact a teacher had on her. 

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8 minutes ago, BaBaBouy said:

We're not forced to fund private schools, charters or home schooling. The issue here is LAUSD teachers demanding more compensation and feedback from those who'll be forced to fund it. The Teacher's Union special interest monopoly on public education borders on criminal. If a teacher is funding the union's political agenda through union dues that teacher is complicit.

LAUSD spends about $16k/student on average (K costs being lower than High School costs).  For a couple grrr more, I can send my kid to a prestigious private school known as a feeder for schools like Stanford.  That money is going somewhere, and it's not to the teachers/students, it's going to the union (and related politicians), council members, senior management, and current/former/future school board members who just happen to win all of the lucrative contracts...

3 minutes ago, WLD-OTZ said:

One question has come up that I have thought about for a long time.

How does one gauge the success of an individual teacher? Tests? Then we are told that teachers will just teach students how to take tests. 

So Keg11, I ask your professional opinion, how does one measure the success of the individual. 

Those damned tests and how we scored lower than other countries is what got us into this mess in the first place.  Our relatively free (as in freedom, not cost) education system was how we innovated and invented so much.  Rigorous and standardized tests just result in kids who follow railroad tracks of logic, never deviating or thinking outside the box to solve a problem.

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19 minutes ago, ROBERT L said:

This is what I witnessed with my wife at a store.  This young lady comes up to her and thanked her for caring and pushing her to be a better person and student. This young lady was a at risk child from East Los Angeles so you can imagine.  My wife has a whole bunch more stories like this.   

 

On a side note my wife retired because the kids now are so out of control.  

 And with all the teachers that showed that type of caring to our son,  my wife and myself have volunteered our time and money into those classrooms........  but once again in our experience more than 2/3 of the teachers were less than average.

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25 minutes ago, WLD-OTZ said:

One question has come up that I have thought about for a long time.

How does one gauge the success of an individual teacher? Tests? Then we are told that teachers will just teach students how to take tests. 

So Keg11, I ask your professional opinion, how does one measure the success of the individual. 

As a pilot...I had to requalify every year.  New systems, new tactics, new enemy...I had to get more training.  Training and updates are a way of life for a pilot.

This also applies to doctors, dentists, nurses, pretty much across the medical field. Other fields also require continued training to maintain your license and job.

So why aren't teachers under this model?  As mentioned...continued education should be even more important to stay up with new technology, new discoveries, new methods.

Again, what other job has tenure?  and what would be wrong with continued education to remain a teacher?  AND...how can we evaluate teachers to better promote, compensate and retain?  More importantly...how do we get teachers to get back to teaching?  I see teachers always saying...they raise the kids.  THAT'S NOT YOUR JOB! That's MY JOB!  Having teachers undo what I instill on my kids was a constant frustration.  

AND...stop sending kids home with flyers telling parents how to vote!  That's my vote...not yours.

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7 minutes ago, Mac said:

As a pilot...I had to requalify every year.  New systems, new tactics, new enemy...I had to get more training.  Training and updates are a way of life for a pilot.

This also applies to doctors, dentists, nurses, pretty much across the medical field. Other fields also require continued training to maintain your license and job.

So why aren't teachers under this model?  As mentioned...continued education should be even more important to stay up with new technology, new discoveries, new methods.

Again, what other job has tenure?  and what would be wrong with continued education to remain a teacher?  AND...how can we evaluate teachers to better promote, compensate and retain?  More importantly...how do we get teachers to get back to teaching?  I see teachers always saying...they raise the kids.  THAT'S NOT YOUR JOB! That's MY JOB!  Having teachers undo what I instill on my kids was a constant frustration.  

AND...stop sending kids home with flyers telling parents how to vote!  That's my vote...not yours.

I hate it when I agree with MAC....................................:rbj:

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4 minutes ago, Cookie said:

I hate it when I agree with MAC....................................:rbj:

It's like accepting shame and being so satisfied when you scratch it... :lol:

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I don't blame teachers at all for the student's results, in most cases it is the parents.  Watching my three kids go thru a school system that has low income Hispanic students and upper middle class white students, one common denominator for success is the parents.  The parents that instilled good habits early in their school life and were involved, have kids that succeed.  The parents that spent no time with their kids helping with homework or didn't set homework schedules in K-3 grade, their kids end up suffering the entire time.  We set the ground work early, and once middle school came around, we have never had to even ask about homework or push them to try harder, they were self motivated.

What happens as you get further in the Public school system, the top tier kids and the bottom tier kids get all the attention, and all the kids that are sitting with a C+ average get lost in the mix.  There is no incentive for teachers and the schools to get them to step up to the next level, which creates this "Average" student that doesn't succeed in anything.  Then that parent complains that the school's aren't doing their job, they are partially correct.  What gets lost is the parents never instilled discipline for them to succeed.  These kids have been taught by the parents and schools that being mediocre is ok, and then they graduate...........................

One other thing to consider, the top tier kids don't have classes with the lower tiered students anymore once they hit High School for the most part.  Most the top tier kids are in special programs to elevate them even higher (these teachers do care for the most part because they usually have good students), again while the lower tier kids get left behind.

 

Back to MAC's comments, if the teachers were rewarded in some way, and continued their education, we would see a shift in this culture.  #getridoftheunion

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11 minutes ago, Cookie said:

 

 

Back to MAC's comments, if the teachers were rewarded in some way, and continued their education, we would see a shift in this culture.  #getridoftheunion

Which leads back to my question, what yardstick are you willing to use to grant the award? 

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