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15 minutes ago, SANDPSYCHO said:

Please you all elected McCain and that nut job Ferguson before the mass migration even began. You had photo radar on your freeways and smogging diesel trucks years before Commifornia.  We still don't have that radar BS. You should be begging conservatives to move there because you're only a few years from being the next California with shity weather. 

Can you please clarify who Ferguson is?  I don't recall any major politician in AZ named Ferguson.

I think what all of us in CA and AZ are experiencing is population growth.  The things you described in your prior post about traffic lights and taking 45 minutes to go 7 miles are happening in Phoenix in some locations.  I live in a distant suburb, and I DREAD having to do an errand in central Phoenix, which is approx. 35 miles away.  The extreme density of people and cars in Phoenix is much worse than is was 20 years ago.

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4 minutes ago, Phoenix7 said:

Can you please clarify who Ferguson is?  I don't recall any major politician in AZ named Ferguson.

I think what all of us in CA and AZ are experiencing is population growth.  The things you described in your prior post about traffic lights and taking 45 minutes to go 7 miles are happening in Phoenix in some locations.  I live in a distant suburb, and I DREAD having to do an errand in central Phoenix, which is approx. 35 miles away.  The extreme density of people and cars in Phoenix is much worse that is was 20 years ago.

I probably have her name wrong but she is the libtard anti 2A that was shot and didn't die. 

Phoenix is a major metropolitan city there is not a good one in the country. The state as a whole is at a tipping point and from what I have seen it's only a matter of a little time and it will go libtard.

Democrats are a cancer they destroy everything and move to other areas and start over. It's just sad.

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Oh you mean Gabby Giffords.  Well now her astronaut husband Mark Kelly is running for the US Senate, and gun control is his top priority.  I believe he will lose with his overzealous focus on gun control.  Arizonians like their guns, including me :)

 

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3 hours ago, Bite Me said:

Please don't encourage them to move here, Arizonans have enough of a fight on our hands now with the ones who are already here.

 What kind of fight do Arizonans have on their hands? I'm not fighting with anyone, now or ever.  I'm oblivious to what goes on in our states capitol, could care less. I go to work, make a bunch of money and when I come home and close my garage door it becomes my world. I don't care how many people move here, there's several million here now so what's a few hundred thousand more going to hurt. The construction of new homes and retail centers is good for the economy. There are so few workers to fill the available jobs right now it's unbelievable. I work for a GM dealer and we can't find any more techs if our lives depended on it. 

So can you elaborate what kind of fight we have here?  I'm not interested in picking a fight, I'm just curious what's on your mind here. :cheers:

 

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11 hours ago, Phoenix7 said:

I agree with all your excellent points.  That Santa Monica sign is even worse than the stupid sign at my Planet Fitness gym.

 

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I would go in there with a two gallon jug just the say EFF-U to their stupid rules.

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Leaving this AM & am going to check out Prescott again.. Cannot exit fast enough. My daughter being a junior in HS is the only thing keeping me here right now. When we leave, I WILL miss all the great weather, scenery , locations, and variety of different destinations available within a few hours drive, but the downhill decline of all the aforementioned topics in this state is just too much.. This is no longer America, and I need to cash out, and get out while I still can. 

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What kind of fight do Arizonans have on their hands? I'm not fighting with anyone, now or ever.  I'm oblivious to what goes on in our states capitol, could care less. I go to work, make a bunch of money and when I come home and close my garage door it becomes my world. I don't care how many people move here, there's several million here now so what's a few hundred thousand more going to hurt. The construction of new homes and retail centers is good for the economy. There are so few workers to fill the available jobs right now it's unbelievable. I work for a GM dealer and we can't find any more techs if our lives depended on it. 

So can you elaborate what kind of fight we have here?  I'm not interested in picking a fight, I'm just curious what's on your mind here. :cheers:

And what people don't see, or care to see is that construction doesn't last forever, but the thousands of low wage workers will, they will have kids and flood the schools, which will require higher taxes to pay for, then they will demand more entitlements, which will require more taxes....and then the roads will get worse...which will require more taxes to fix...and Arizona now has the same leadership that CA had 30 years ago....progressives that see the conservative voters as the "problem".....they will fix it for them....and AZ will become CA East.

It is likely too late for AZ....enjoy the next year, as it will likely be the best it's ever going to be in AZ.  As with the states that don't get it, the best days are behind them.

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10 minutes ago, realbadlarry said:

And what people don't see, or care to see is that construction doesn't last forever, but the thousands of low wage workers will, they will have kids and flood the schools, which will require higher taxes to pay for, then they will demand more entitlements, which will require more taxes....and then the roads will get worse...which will require more taxes to fix...and Arizona now has the same leadership that CA had 30 years ago....progressives that see the conservative voters as the "problem".....they will fix it for them....and AZ will become CA East.

It is likely too late for AZ....enjoy the next year, as it will likely be the best it's ever going to be in AZ.  As with the states that don't get it, the best days are behind them.

I hear a lot of people say that Arizona and Texas are next to turn because of the California migration. So where to?  What state will be the last to fall?  I hear good things about Tennessee. What about Utah? Will the LDS community keep Utah at bay?  Since this is a national problem, perhaps there is a better country? 

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On 3/1/2019 at 9:53 AM, Phoenix7 said:

This reply is for Larry, the other Norco guys, and everyone who doesn't like California.

I admit that my positive comments last night were maybe wishful thinking and looking back at the old days and the good times I had in SoCal.  I also admit that I haven't been west of Brawley in 8 years.  I hear things have changed on the freeways.  I also admit that every time I've looked for a job over there, the salaries for my level don't match the real estate.  I know that people who invested in real estate in SoCal can cash out and move to AZ and buy a mansion.  I'm in the opposite situation.  Jeez even Brawley has high real estate prices.

I replied to Larry's comment because I'm intrigued by the "collapse" comment.  If this is a real fear that Southern Californian's have, I'd like to know more about it and hear some people's versions of what the collapse may entail?

Regarding Arizona, a great state, I was thinking this morning about the famous Acres Of Diamonds In Your Own Back Yard story, and how I may want to remember that and find happiness in Arizona.

In a nut shell, at some point you run out of other people's assets. I say "assets" because there is a tendency to gloss over the issue referring to "other people's money."  This issue is apparent in New York's socialist governor recently pointing out how reliant the state is on taxes derived from the top 3% of wage earners. Rich people tend to be more mobile and have no problem leaving town with their assets.

In California the coming issue will be the "new rich" and how they'll react to being designated to fund the lifestyles of others. The "new rich" will be government employees and retirees from government jobs. Currently the government employees support the Democrat agenda in redistributing money, of course the money being confiscated and spread around has never been "their" money. When "the rich" become a household of two teachers with a family income of $201,000 and the citizens of California vote to implement "special" taxes on them there'll be a war between union labor and the politicians that union labor put in to office. The California government will be put in a position where they'll either have to eat their own or have MASSIVE cuts to social programs. The backlash against the "new rich" government employees will ignite a taxation civil war and they'll be no organized entity (Republican conservative) entity to step up and do what's needed to turn things around. My guess is that California will move in to some kind of conservatorship after being labeled "too big to fail."

California Democrats believe that government is the problem / solution, the problem  being not enough government. This mindset has been tried throughout history with varying degrees of failure only the governments that tried it in the past had sugar daddies in the form of other countries that propped up the failed experiment because it was in their self interest. 

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11 hours ago, fortyfour said:

 What kind of fight do Arizonans have on their hands? I'm not fighting with anyone, now or ever.  I'm oblivious to what goes on in our states capitol, could care less. I go to work, make a bunch of money and when I come home and close my garage door it becomes my world. I don't care how many people move here, there's several million here now so what's a few hundred thousand more going to hurt. The construction of new homes and retail centers is good for the economy. There are so few workers to fill the available jobs right now it's unbelievable. I work for a GM dealer and we can't find any more techs if our lives depended on it. 

So can you elaborate what kind of fight we have here?  I'm not interested in picking a fight, I'm just curious what's on your mind here. :cheers:

 

Hopefully your "garage door" will shield you from people wanting what you have in the garage because you've been deemed to have "too much."

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^^^Good points Larry, however I'd still rather be here than in California. The ideal place to live is all relative, I've not found it yet. Some places are better than others you just have to pick your poison.

Right there with ya Brother....I'm looking for that promised land every vacation for the last 3 yrs has been "scouting".....

 

I think Utah will be one of the last holdouts....

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13 hours ago, Phoenix7 said:

Can you please clarify who Ferguson is?  I don't recall any major politician in AZ named Ferguson.

I think what all of us in CA and AZ are experiencing is population growth.  The things you described in your prior post about traffic lights and taking 45 minutes to go 7 miles are happening in Phoenix in some locations.  I live in a distant suburb, and I DREAD having to do an errand in central Phoenix, which is approx. 35 miles away.  The extreme density of people and cars in Phoenix is much worse than is was 20 years ago.

I don't think CA is experiencing population growth. There are just as many fleeing the state as entering, possibly more. The way to tell is to talk to the rental places like Uhaul and Hertz. They have to hire drivers to drive their excess vehicles back from where ever they went. They used to have to drive them from CA back to some snowbound state, but now they're driving them from TX, TN, AZ, AL, NV back to other states where they came from. People bailed from a snow covered state, arrived in CA, then more CA people took those to the states mentioned above. The net result is slightly more people are leaving CA than entering (legally.)

The real problem is LACK OF PLANNING. The CA civil engineers and planners are the stupidest in the world. At least 2 fwys here in SD were started from both ends and they left the middle unfinished for yrs. These were billions of dollars in fwy left empty for yrs because they started at the ends and ran out of, or diverted funding to something else. They also built a 25 mi fwy that was 3 lanes for about 15 or 16 mi, but it narrowed down to 2 lanes for the last 3 or 4 mi on each end. The result was massive traffic jams for hours in the mornings and evenings. It took them something like 12 yrs to finally widen it up with that last lane at both ends and the traffic jams lessened quite a bit.

The other basic problem is CA spends over $20 Billion per yr on illegal aliens. That is a HUGE sum of taxpayer money wasted on illegals. Imagine what we could do with that money if it was spent on building fwys BEFORE new neighborhoods clogged them up with traffic?

We're always suffering droughts, but when it rains, officials have to drain the poorly designed, too small reservoirs. Then right after heavy rains, we're right back in a drought again. Hello???? How about we design a system that captures more of the rain and then we'd have more water to use? Is that too difficult??

I've met cockroaches in HI and FL that were far smarter than the current crop of CA "planners" and "engineers."

Don't even get me started on all of the bankrupt cities and school district pension funds. Sometime soon, in the next few yrs, they're gonna start REALLY start putting on the screws to the taxpayers because the retirement fund managers foolishly lost most of it in the 2008 bank collapse, someone idiotically promised WAY too high of a retirement benefit to cops, CHP, Sheriff's Deputies, teachers, state employees and add that debt on top of the crazy high salaries some of these small town mayors and lifeguards and lots of other city, county and state employees make. These aren't nationwide news stories, but they've been making the local news and the number of school districts and counties borrowing more money is astounding. Based on our insane taxes, there should be TRILLIONS in surplus. If it weren't for corrupt politicians...

I could go on for a week. Sure, there are corrupt politicians in every town and county across America, but not quite this level of corrupt stupidity and this many problems.

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1 hour ago, realbadlarry said:

And what people don't see, or care to see is that construction doesn't last forever, but the thousands of low wage workers will, they will have kids and flood the schools, which will require higher taxes to pay for, then they will demand more entitlements, which will require more taxes....and then the roads will get worse...which will require more taxes to fix...and Arizona now has the same leadership that CA had 30 years ago....progressives that see the conservative voters as the "problem".....they will fix it for them....and AZ will become CA East.

It is likely too late for AZ....enjoy the next year, as it will likely be the best it's ever going to be in AZ.  As with the states that don't get it, the best days are behind them.

Good points Larry, I'd still rather be here than in Ca. The ideal place to live is all relative, I haven't found it yet. 

 

37 minutes ago, BaBaBouy said:

Hopefully your "garage door" will shield you from people wanting what you have in the garage because you've been deemed to have "too much."

Yes that is always a concern with anything of value. It hasn't been a problem in my neighborhood  "yet".

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I don't hate California at all, it is just too crowded for me now, especially now that I have lived somewhere else that is not. And I couldn't afford a house anywhere in Ca. I have 18,000sqft on a cludesac now, boat is under shelter in the back, 40' moho is under shelter behind gates, pool and still huge yard,  we overpaid for it in 2006 but has been worth every dime. Couldn't touch that in Ca. except in some remote place for a lot more. If I/we had that kind of dough it might be a possibility but that's not the case. 

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1 hour ago, badgas said:

I hear a lot of people say that Arizona and Texas are next to turn because of the California migration. So where to?  What state will be the last to fall?  I hear good things about Tennessee. What about Utah? Will the LDS community keep Utah at bay?  Since this is a national problem, perhaps there is a better country? 

Australia or New Zealand. The only drawback to Australia is virtually every plant or animal there is venomous and can kill you. Other than that, the Aussie love Yanks!

The Philippines is another option, if you like the women. You can live very comfortably there on probably $500-700/mo. You could live like a king on $1,000/mo. An old Navy buddy lives there with his Filipina wife and they have a large house, a housekeeper and a maid/cook. The housekeeper irons all of his custom made white cotton shirts and takes care of all of his other needs when his wife doesn't feel like it.

Very low cost of living, lots of available women and night life. 

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8 minutes ago, socaldmax said:

Australia or New Zealand. The only drawback to Australia is virtually every plant or animal there is venomous and can kill you. Other than that, the Aussie love Yanks!

SOME yanks. Why do you think they refer to us as "Seppos"?

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13 minutes ago, fortyfour said:

Good points Larry, I'd still rather be here than in Ca. The ideal place to live is all relative, I haven't found it yet. 

 

Yes that is always a concern with anything of value. It hasn't been a problem in my neighborhood  "yet".

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I don't hate California at all, it is just too crowded for me now, especially now that I have lived somewhere else that is not.

The issue isn't someone breaking in to your garage although that's a problem. What I was speaking of is vehicle registration fees, luxury taxes, sales taxes aimed at items that aren't considered "necessary."  When your closed garage door is penetrated by politicians looking for money from those deemed to have "excess income" the problem will officially be brought home.

I understand your feelings regarding a "live and let live" style of life. People that don't have children could give a rat's azz if students in one district are suddenly redistricted to another poorer performing public school. People that don't have pets could care less if a city council suddenly decides that two pets are enough for a single dwelling. People that live in rental homes aren't concerned with regulations imposing new landscape requirements or approved colors for painting homes. People making $99K a year aren't concerned with add on taxes for public schools affecting those making $100K a year...problems don't arise until the new rules apply to you.

 

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Another problem is that California's are just now realizing the impact of the tax changes.  I give it two years before CA sees a decent exodus (people have to do life planning and many cannot move immediately).  When that happens and property values fall, it is going to be ugly.  Curious to see how the stock market route of 2018 affects california's budget.  Stock market capital gains from the top 1% make up a lot of their tax revenue.  California is the 5th largest economy in the world and has the power to drag the US into recession.

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1 minute ago, BaBaBouy said:

The issue isn't someone breaking in to your garage although that's a problem. What I was speaking of is vehicle registration fees, luxury taxes, sales taxes aimed at items that aren't considered "necessary."  When your closed garage door is penetrated by politicians looking for money from those deemed to have "excess income" the problem will officially be brought home.

 

That's here already. The first year registration on the pusher was almost $3600 now down to about $2000, the vette was $800ish, the sand rail...$25. We are fortunate to still have failrly low property taxes of about $1600 a year.

I think we all can agree this has been a very good discussion. 

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12 hours ago, fortyfour said:

 What kind of fight do Arizonans have on their hands? I'm not fighting with anyone, now or ever.  I'm oblivious to what goes on in our states capitol, could care less. I go to work, make a bunch of money and when I come home and close my garage door it becomes my world. I don't care how many people move here, there's several million here now so what's a few hundred thousand more going to hurt. The construction of new homes and retail centers is good for the economy. There are so few workers to fill the available jobs right now it's unbelievable. I work for a GM dealer and we can't find any more techs if our lives depended on it. 

So can you elaborate what kind of fight we have here?  I'm not interested in picking a fight, I'm just curious what's on your mind here. :cheers:

 

This makes you part of the problem.

I'm talking about the CA & OR and any libtards moving here and doing just what the cockroaches from the south are doing, leaving their country instead of fighting to make a change. When they talk about packing up and leaving instead of fighting to make the changes they are just transposing their problems to a new area and the process begins again. 

As far as jobs in your particular field there should be plenty of qualified techs coming out of places like AAI unless the dealers don't want to pay a professional wage. I know many (not all) construction related jobs don't pay a decent wage anymore and so they hire the non English speakers who work cheap and bring down wages. Many industries here do the same with lower wages.

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7 minutes ago, fortyfour said:

That's here already. The first year registration on the pusher was almost $3600 now down to about $2000, the vette was $800ish, the sand rail...$25. We are fortunate to still have failrly low property taxes of about $1600 a year.

I think we all can agree this has been a very good discussion. 

Agreed, refreshing to have an exchange of ideas that don't include terms like "racist, orange gorilla, xenophobe, moron, Hillary...California is an awesome place, I would have loved to have stayed. For those that are staying, if it makes sense for you, more power to you!

 

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4 minutes ago, Bite Me said:

This makes you part of the problem.

I'm talking about the CA & OR and any libtards moving here and doing just what the cockroaches from the south are doing, leaving their country instead of fighting to make a change. When they talk about packing up and leaving instead of fighting to make the changes they are just transposing their problems to a new area and the process begins again. 

As far as jobs in your particular field there should be plenty of qualified techs coming out of places like AAI unless the dealers don't want to pay a professional wage. I know many (not all) construction related jobs don't pay a decent wage anymore and so they hire the non English speakers who work cheap and bring down wages. Many industries here do the same with lower wages.

 The problem is being oblivious to what's actually going on, not being informed and leaving to choose your own battlefield. I "fought" for 30 years then packed up my shiat, declared victory and moved on. I can assure you that on my watch local government here will not be infected by union boss parasites wanting to legislate tax payer subsidized lack of accountability.

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1 minute ago, BaBaBouy said:

 The problem is being oblivious to what's actually going on, not being informed and leaving to choose your own battlefield. I "fought" for 30 years then packed up my shiat, declared victory and moved on. I can assure you that on my watch local government here will not be infected by union boss parasites wanting to legislate tax payer subsidized lack of accountability.

This is my battlefield, I was born here and will die here!

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Just now, Bite Me said:

This is my battlefield, I was born here and will die here!

As I said earlier, if it makes sense for you to stay I support you 100%. I cashed out and bought another life which I'm very happy with, doesn't mean I question the decisions of others...

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3 minutes ago, Bite Me said:

This makes you part of the problem.

I'm talking about the CA & OR and any libtards moving here and doing just what the cockroaches from the south are doing, leaving their country instead of fighting to make a change. When they talk about packing up and leaving instead of fighting to make the changes they are just transposing their problems to a new area and the process begins again. 

As far as jobs in your particular field there should be plenty of qualified techs coming out of places like AAI unless the dealers don't want to pay a professional wage. I know many (not all) construction related jobs don't pay a decent wage anymore and so they hire the non English speakers who work cheap and bring down wages. Many industries here do the same with lower wages.

Me part of the problem?  Um no I will disagree with you there. I will park my moho across all of the lanes on the 10 in Quartzite to block the freeway if that's what you think I should be doing. Or do you want me to picket out in front of the state capitol?  

These problems that everyone says Az has are out of my control so I just don't worry about it. You cannot stop people from coming to Az no matter how hard you try. You may as well accept it. 

And yes we have a huge technician shortage in the automotive industry.  There is a 2 to 3 day backup with cars at our dealer just to get them into the shop to be looked at, I routinely work past 6 just to stay on top of things. These qualified techs you speak of that are coming out of AAI and UTI can't hardly put in a spark plug without crossthreading it and couldn't accurately diagnose anything on a modern vehicle not even half of the time. The network of GM dealers in the Phoenix area are paying wages that are among the highest in the country right now, a good tech with enough experience to fix cars correctly can make a flat rate in the $30's, a master tech high $30's. I'm the lead tech/forman at my dealer so I know my facts are accurate. Again not wanting to enter into a debate, there are a lot of misconceptions that go around that are just not true. 

 

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