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Finally updated the styling.  Thoughts? Anyone seen one yet?

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Looks like fun, but I wish they would keep the electronics and fancy gadgetry out of these things.   Just keeps driving up the cost.   They're an off road machine, not an eff*ing Mercedes.  

*I see auto correct doesn't allow swearing.  

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I like it and there is some well thought out design features.    I like that it has 3 trim levels from base, middle with ride command and the fully loaded model.

 

Watch this video as it provides good insight into the features and design

 

 

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31 minutes ago, evantwheeler said:

Looks like fun, but I wish they would keep the electronics and fancy gadgetry out of these things.   Just keeps driving up the cost.   They're an off road machine, not an eff*ing Mercedes.  

*I see auto correct doesn't allow swearing.  

If you don't want the fancy electronics the base trim is there at $22,500ish.   No Ride Command or electronically controlled shocks.    The Ride Command is pretty nice with the built in GPS and the other features.   

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I bet the 4 seat version comes out before the 4XX.  Looks like a nice machine.

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I bet the Regular XP 1000 are gonna drop pretty low. Well, I guess the 2019 ones.

 

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From what I have watched & read, they improved many areas, I mean took ideas from Can Am & Arctic Cat and put them on the RZR. Like Longer wheel base, full tubbed chassis, removable bed liner to full access the engine. Better clutch cover, Better cockpit ergonomics, Better seat adjustment.  

A few take aways, nothing seems to be improved with the actual suspension or geometry.  Standard XP brakes, same front dif/trans. Nothing specially noted about cooling system, except for a coolant line from the new head to overflow tank. 

New retractable seatbelts look like a waste of time and still need to be trashed. New Seats? Im betting most still replace them.  Cool idea is the telescoping steering wheel. Big props for that! 

12 gal fuel tank is a huge plus! It’s about time! I’d love to see 15 gal though. But that’s just me. 

New role cage is now 2 inch but same thin wall thickness. No diagonal or triangulation at all. With the rake of the A pillar I suspect it will fold back & collapses in a good roll over. 

Surprised they hyped up the room for a 30 inch spare tire on the bed rail, when everyone is going bigger to 32 & 33 inches. 

And my biggest issue with Polaris is the constant manipulation of the facts & specs. In my opinion it’s almost fraud. They claim  wheel travel #’s as “Usable Travel” which is not real wheel travel. It’s a made up # to make it sound better then the competition. If you read the fine print they will tell you the real wheel travel to keep them from being fraudulent. 

Example is the XP1000 they claim 20/20 inches of Usable Travel, but in the specs they will say 16/18 of Wheel travel. That’s not close to 20! The new Pro they claim 22 inches. 

How Polaris measures wheel travel is the car at full droop, bottom of skid plate to the ground. Pretty much a lie! 

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51 minutes ago, Kat-A-Tonic said:

I bet the 4 seat version comes out before the 4XX.  Looks like a nice machine.

That is a given.  LOL!

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15 minutes ago, NIKAL said:

From what I have watched & read, they improved many areas, I mean took ideas from Can Am & Arctic Cat and put them on the RZR. Like Longer wheel base, full tubbed chassis, removable bed liner to full access the engine. Better clutch cover, Better cockpit ergonomics, Better seat adjustment.  

A few take aways, nothing seems to be improved with the actual suspension or geometry.  Standard XP brakes, same front dif/trans. Nothing specially noted about cooling system, except for a coolant line from the new head to overflow tank. 

New retractable seatbelts look like a waste of time and still need to be trashed. New Seats? Im betting most still replace them.  Cool idea is the telescoping steering wheel. Big props for that! 

12 gal fuel tank is a huge plus! It’s about time! I’d love to see 15 gal though. But that’s just me. 

New role cage is now 2 inch but same thin wall thickness. No diagonal or triangulation at all. With the rake of the A pillar I suspect it will fold back & collapses in a good roll over. 

Surprised they hyped up the room for a 30 inch spare tire on the bed rail, when everyone is going bigger to 32 & 33 inches. 

And my biggest issue with Polaris is the constant manipulation of the facts & specs. In my opinion it’s almost fraud. They claim  wheel travel #’s as “Usable Travel” which is not real wheel travel. It’s a made up # to make it sound better then the competition. If you read the fine print they will tell you the real wheel travel to keep them from being fraudulent. 

Example is the XP1000 they claim 20/20 inches of Usable Travel, but in the specs they will say 16/18 of Wheel travel. That’s not close to 20! The new Pro they claim 22 inches. 

How Polaris measures wheel travel is the car at full droop, bottom of skid plate to the ground. Pretty much a lie! 

There are a lot of improvements on this model over the others.  The turbo is now liquid cooled.  Upgraded clutching and clutch efficiency.   The clutch is now fully rebuildable, like the Can Am clutches.   The cage has one continuous tube from the A-Pillar to the very rear attachment point, which I think is a plus.  The overall look of the cage is much better than the other models.  Whether it is any stronger, who knows.   

The brakes on the XP models are excellent so no need to improve them. 

The wider cab space was needed and the longer wheelbase will make it way more stable.  I suspect the 4 seat version will have a 123" wheelbase. 

The "usable" wheel travel numbers is there sales gimmick that includes tire squish as part of the suspension equation.  They explained it when they released the Turbo S.   Can Am can't claim tire squish because the rear skid plate hits before you use up the alleged 24" anyway.  LOL!

I am also disappointed they did not make the bed rail fit up to a 32" tire.   

I like that it comes in 3 trim packages so it hit multiple price points.  Polaris is clearly going after the Can Am X3 64" buyers. 

I would think this 2nd gen platform will come in a non-turbo model and 72" model in the next few years.  Polaris will probably phase out the old platform.  

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Check around 19 minutes / 6 expansion slots for accessories that Sandpsycho likes soo much....MUCH cleaner connectore and ease of wiring. I wouldn't be surprised if he already has one of these babies poolside in Norco dreaming of HIDs and whips to buy at the sand show.

He is gonna have a great year...I know it!

 

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31 minutes ago, Sand Shark said:

There are a lot of improvements on this model over the others.  The turbo is now liquid cooled.  Upgraded clutching and clutch efficiency.   The clutch is now fully rebuildable, like the Can Am clutches.   The cage has one continuous tube from the A-Pillar to the very rear attachment point, which I think is a plus.  The overall look of the cage is much better than the other models.  Whether it is any stronger, who knows.   

The brakes on the XP models are excellent so no need to improve them. 

The wider cab space was needed and the longer wheelbase will make it way more stable.  I suspect the 4 seat version will have a 123" wheelbase. 

The "usable" wheel travel numbers is there sales gimmick that includes tire squish as part of the suspension equation.  They explained it when they released the Turbo S.   Can Am can't claim tire squish because the rear skid plate hits before you use up the alleged 24" anyway.  LOL!

I am also disappointed they did not make the bed rail fit up to a 32" tire.   

I like that it comes in 3 trim packages so it hit multiple price points.  Polaris is clearly going after the Can Am X3 64" buyers. 

I would think this 2nd gen platform will come in a non-turbo model and 72" model in the next few years.  Polaris will probably phase out the old platform.  

I agree the brakes are good on the XP, but when the S came out, they noted the better improved braking for the bigger tires & wheels. So I was expecting to read that they upgraded the brakes. Plus I was hoping to see them try to fix some of the geometry issues the RZR has. 

Yes the rebuildable clutches and to be able to shim them for alignment was cool. 

Overall id give the improvements a B grade. I’m sure the look of it will grow on me. I’m still disappointed that Arctic Cat has chosen to not release (for the time being) the XX4. That was something I was looking forward to seeing and could have been my next purchase. 

Still have the new Kawi in October, so more options are coming! 

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I like the changes they made.    I love the red 'oh chit' button on the steering wheel that puts the shocks to full hard if you hit a g-out.  I like that Polaris is focusing on driver position/ergonomics/visibility.  Personally, I cannot stand the seating position of the X3.

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47 minutes ago, NIKAL said:

I agree the brakes are good on the XP, but when the S came out, they noted the better improved braking for the bigger tires & wheels. So I was expecting to read that they upgraded the brakes. Plus I was hoping to see them try to fix some of the geometry issues the RZR has. 

Yes the rebuildable clutches and to be able to shim them for alignment was cool. 

Overall id give the improvements a B grade. I’m sure the look of it will grow on me. I’m still disappointed that Arctic Cat has chosen to not release (for the time being) the XX4. That was something I was looking forward to seeing and could have been my next purchase. 

Still have the new Kawi in October, so more options are coming! 

I am sure it would of got the Turbo S brakes if they used a 15" wheel.   

The won't fix the geometry issues because that only effects 10% of the users, which would be the racers.   90% of the people hop in and drive it not knowing any different. 

Don't get to excited about the Kawi.  What I was told is it will be in line with Talon and YXZ as far as HP numbers.  

I don't know why people keep hope alive for the Textron Wildcat XX or XX4.   They are hanging on by a thread and the only reason is because Robby Gordon's name is still attached to the Wildcat XX.  Once that relationship ends I suspect Textron will sell it off.   They have the golden egg in overall design and zero ability to do anything with it.  Amazing how a billion dollar corporation can be this inept.  

I just got back from a Baja trip and there was a Wildcat XX with us and a YXZ.  So weird how basically the same motor sounds so different between the two.   

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After watching the video I'm really curious why it took 12 model years for some of this common sense stuff to be applied? Competition is always good but a lot of these things could have been done long before now.

Think I'll still be waiting on the 4 seat Talon. Tired of dealing with the belt and clutches.

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i thought the turbo s had the geometry issues, but the 64" models did not? anyone notice the weight on it? :(

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Gotta love they let the rep wear his flip flops!😀

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2 hours ago, Sand Shark said:

I am sure it would of got the Turbo S brakes if they used a 15" wheel.   

The won't fix the geometry issues because that only effects 10% of the users, which would be the racers.   90% of the people hop in and drive it not knowing any different. 

Don't get to excited about the Kawi.  What I was told is it will be in line with Talon and YXZ as far as HP numbers.  

I don't know why people keep hope alive for the Textron Wildcat XX or XX4.   They are hanging on by a thread and the only reason is because Robby Gordon's name is still attached to the Wildcat XX.  Once that relationship ends I suspect Textron will sell it off.   They have the golden egg in overall design and zero ability to do anything with it.  Amazing how a billion dollar corporation can be this inept.  

I just got back from a Baja trip and there was a Wildcat XX with us and a YXZ.  So weird how basically the same motor sounds so different between the two.   

The main reason I’ve kept hopes alive for the WildcatXX is the fact I was told that Textron cleaned house with upper management, brought in a new Pres & VP to get things back on track. Part of that process was to hold off on releasing any more models, drop models that are not selling or are duplicates of what they already have. Remember Textron bought Arctic Cat, Bad Boy EZ GO & Cushman. Then rolled them into Textron Specialty Vehicles. Then I was told they were having to fix the dealer network as most dealers were stuck with old units they could not give away and losing money. And while the Bass Pro deal was strong for Textron, it did not help the independent dealers. 

Then Todd Romano told me he was still hopeful as Textrons new management wants to be in the recreational market, and sees the XX as a strong vehicle, and with the XX4 and other versions of the XX already designed & developed. But they need to get the organization restructured first. 

Then right next door to Arctic Cat is Digi Key, whom is a electronic component distributor. They carry a few product lines that the company I work for makes. Two of our engineer & sales guys were visiting Digi Key and had a quick meet & great with some engineers at Arctic Cat. (We developed and sell a part to BRP & Polaris for the Electric start system on the snow sleds.) Now Arctic Cat is interested in designing their version of the same system. So it sounds like the green light to start new product development and production is in the future.  My guys did not get the impression that Arctic Cat was on the ropes or in process of liquidating. They even showed them the XX, as neither guys had seen one before. 

Trust me I told them about how Textron does not know how to run Arctic Cat and has an awesome machine, but does not know how to sell it.

I could see Textron trying to split with RG as I believe his deal hurts Arctic Cat & the XX with his strangle hold. But his contract has to be coming to and end? Did you notice his name is no longer on the new XX models? 

Also a guy I met last year is a specialist on the Weber engine, which Textron owns. He helped with getting the Weber engine in the Arctic Cat Havoc. In a round about way he commented on the fact that’s its perfect replacement engine for the XX once the Yamaha contract is up. And it makes sense that Textron would want to put their own brand engine in their flagship cars. The Havoc engine is very detuned and could be a good engine. He said there is another engine that was in development, that could be reduced to 1000cc, add a turbo and it would be an awesome engine for a UTV. Lots of power & torque. It was developed for marine use, so it was designed for hash environments. 

So these are reasons I’m hopeful they will get back on track and release new models. But who knows I could be waiting for a Ghost machine!! 

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I love that people talk crap about the rzr wheel travel. Yes it may only have 16/18 inches of travel but Alumicrafts original sand cars all had the same wheel travel and worked awesome! If set up properly, it's all you need.

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48 minutes ago, big_daddy_jp said:

I love that people talk crap about the rzr wheel travel. Yes it may only have 16/18 inches of travel but Alumicrafts original sand cars all had the same wheel travel and worked awesome! If set up properly, it's all you need.

I don’t know anyone talking crap that it only has 16/18 inches of travel, but I agree too many people get all caught up in travel #’s. And that’s why Polaris feels they need to make up some bulls#it way to measure wheel travel that gives them bigger #’s.  Their measurements would give a Trophy Truck 50+ inches  and my 1600 car 24 inches! 

I’d rather have good geometry & a tuned 18 inches of travel then 22 inches that does not work and beats you up. 

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Textron's quarterly earnings were garbage, but I feel the SxS are small compared to aircraft. Just got back from dunefest in oregon (which was amazing this year) and I saw about 40% polaris, 30% X3's and 25% YxZ.  Only one Textron was there and maybe 5 talon's (out of thousands of SxS's.  In 2015 it was like 97% polaris.........

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13 hours ago, NIKAL said:

I don’t know anyone talking crap that it only has 16/18 inches of travel, but I agree too many people get all caught up in travel #’s. And that’s why Polaris feels they need to make up some bulls#it way to measure wheel travel that gives them bigger #’s.  Their measurements would give a Trophy Truck 50+ inches  and my 1600 car 24 inches! 

I’d rather have good geometry & a tuned 18 inches of travel then 22 inches that does not work and beats you up. 

Actually the XP Pro has 17" of actual suspension up front and 20" in the rear.   I agree  I rather have proper working suspension versus a number that is meaningless.  I can tell you my Can Am X3 only has 24" of rear travel when it is on a lift.  Rear world probably get somewhere around 20-22" before you smack the rear skid plate in most cases before you bottom out the shock.   

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15 hours ago, NIKAL said:

The main reason I’ve kept hopes alive for the WildcatXX is the fact I was told that Textron cleaned house with upper management, brought in a new Pres & VP to get things back on track. Part of that process was to hold off on releasing any more models, drop models that are not selling or are duplicates of what they already have. Remember Textron bought Arctic Cat, Bad Boy EZ GO & Cushman. Then rolled them into Textron Specialty Vehicles. Then I was told they were having to fix the dealer network as most dealers were stuck with old units they could not give away and losing money. And while the Bass Pro deal was strong for Textron, it did not help the independent dealers. 

Then Todd Romano told me he was still hopeful as Textrons new management wants to be in the recreational market, and sees the XX as a strong vehicle, and with the XX4 and other versions of the XX already designed & developed. But they need to get the organization restructured first. 

Then right next door to Arctic Cat is Digi Key, whom is a electronic component distributor. They carry a few product lines that the company I work for makes. Two of our engineer & sales guys were visiting Digi Key and had a quick meet & great with some engineers at Arctic Cat. (We developed and sell a part to BRP & Polaris for the Electric start system on the snow sleds.) Now Arctic Cat is interested in designing their version of the same system. So it sounds like the green light to start new product development and production is in the future.  My guys did not get the impression that Arctic Cat was on the ropes or in process of liquidating. They even showed them the XX, as neither guys had seen one before. 

Trust me I told them about how Textron does not know how to run Arctic Cat and has an awesome machine, but does not know how to sell it.

I could see Textron trying to split with RG as I believe his deal hurts Arctic Cat & the XX with his strangle hold. But his contract has to be coming to and end? Did you notice his name is no longer on the new XX models? 

Also a guy I met last year is a specialist on the Weber engine, which Textron owns. He helped with getting the Weber engine in the Arctic Cat Havoc. In a round about way he commented on the fact that’s its perfect replacement engine for the XX once the Yamaha contract is up. And it makes sense that Textron would want to put their own brand engine in their flagship cars. The Havoc engine is very detuned and could be a good engine. He said there is another engine that was in development, that could be reduced to 1000cc, add a turbo and it would be an awesome engine for a UTV. Lots of power & torque. It was developed for marine use, so it was designed for hash environments. 

So these are reasons I’m hopeful they will get back on track and release new models. But who knows I could be waiting for a Ghost machine!! 

Textron throwing a new motor in would be a disaster.  People are already tainted by the engine problems AC had with their 1000cc motor.   Using the Yamaha motor at least gives the buyer some hope of reliability.   

The RG deal with Textron should be coming close to an end.  Problem is RG and company hold patents, which Textron will have to pay him a nice fee to release.   I suspect this will happen and then Textron might let other aftermarket companies build stuff, assuming the aftermarket wants to spend the time doing so.

Polaris and now Can Am are very good at keeping the aftermarket companies busy.  Even Honda and Yamaha know the importance of having good aftermarket support for their powersports.  

Polaris and Can Am give new units to several aftermarket companies before they are released so they can get a head start.   I doubt anyone say the Wildcat XX prior to the release. 

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I saw and drove one late last year,  but I signed an NDA and am not supposed to talk about it.  I will say, that even the base model with the walker evens shocks out performed other version sxs's in the same class.  Is it a game changer?  I would say no.  There are already other sxs's out that beat these in several ways, but it's always nice to see another option come to light.  I really like the seats and telescoping steering wheel in this unit though,  it really made for a better driver experience.

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It looks like they took the RS1 and put another seat in it.

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23 hours ago, NIKAL said:

From what I have watched & read, they improved many areas, I mean took ideas from Can Am & Arctic Cat and put them on the RZR. Like Longer wheel base, full tubbed chassis, removable bed liner to full access the engine. Better clutch cover, Better cockpit ergonomics, Better seat adjustment.  

A few take aways, nothing seems to be improved with the actual suspension or geometry.  Standard XP brakes, same front dif/trans. Nothing specially noted about cooling system, except for a coolant line from the new head to overflow tank. 

New retractable seatbelts look like a waste of time and still need to be trashed. New Seats? Im betting most still replace them.  Cool idea is the telescoping steering wheel. Big props for that! 

12 gal fuel tank is a huge plus! It’s about time! I’d love to see 15 gal though. But that’s just me. 

New role cage is now 2 inch but same thin wall thickness. No diagonal or triangulation at all. With the rake of the A pillar I suspect it will fold back & collapses in a good roll over. 

Surprised they hyped up the room for a 30 inch spare tire on the bed rail, when everyone is going bigger to 32 & 33 inches. 

And my biggest issue with Polaris is the constant manipulation of the facts & specs. In my opinion it’s almost fraud. They claim  wheel travel #’s as “Usable Travel” which is not real wheel travel. It’s a made up # to make it sound better then the competition. If you read the fine print they will tell you the real wheel travel to keep them from being fraudulent. 

Example is the XP1000 they claim 20/20 inches of Usable Travel, but in the specs they will say 16/18 of Wheel travel. That’s not close to 20! The new Pro they claim 22 inches. 

How Polaris measures wheel travel is the car at full droop, bottom of skid plate to the ground. Pretty much a lie! 

Tubing diameter increases without increasing wall thickness is exponential.  10% increase is a 20% increase in safety factor.  20% in extra diameter is 50% in safety factor.  Wall thickness increase is approximately linear.  So you get a lot more bang for your buck in tubing diameter vs wall thickness.  

That being said, it's still pretty sad.  Big ass opening in the middle, not much to protect the bends from folding like a camp chair...

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