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43 minutes ago, Orange_R said:

You really need to put the encyclopedia down and have a beer lol, I'll buy :cheers: 

I only picked it up because you clearly didn't understand what I was trying to share with you. :cheers:

The bigger issue is the gov't has done nothing to try and expand this technology to more states. As many have stated, the politicians have used this issue to raise taxes, but the reality is they aren't investing anything into new nuclear reactor designs, expanded incentives for rooftop solar systems with battery backup, etc. Their goal is to tax us, not fix the problem.

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Until a solution to nuclear waste gets sorted out I can't see where that would be an option any company would be willing to look into. 

Imo, nuke is the way to go, but sheet.....  figure some sheet out already... 

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2 hours ago, Bobalos said:

Until a solution to nuclear waste gets sorted out I can't see where that would be an option any company would be willing to look into. 

Imo, nuke is the way to go, but sheet.....  figure some sheet out already... 

LFTR reactors use radioactive waste as fuel. We can dig up all of that waste they buried right next to the Columbia River that is leaking into the river and actually make electricity from it, instead of contaminating the river. They are also not pressurized with steam, so they don't leak or explode. Current light water reactor designs are high pressure and can go super critical if not regulated properly or they lose cooling due to water loss or pump failure. LFTR reactors need to be fed, or they die down. If they lose power somehow, they just drain down into a lower chamber and turn into solid salt, since they cannot maintain the heat to remain liquid. So they would never melt down and explode like Chernobyl, Fukushima or 3 mile island.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor

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14 hours ago, Lord of the Dunes said:

I only picked it up because you clearly didn't understand what I was trying to share with you. :cheers:

The bigger issue is the gov't has done nothing to try and expand this technology to more states. As many have stated, the politicians have used this issue to raise taxes, but the reality is they aren't investing anything into new nuclear reactor designs, expanded incentives for rooftop solar systems with battery backup, etc. Their goal is to tax us, not fix the problem.

I "strongly agree" with all of that, kinda like one of those cs surveys haha

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19 hours ago, Bobalos said:

Until a solution to nuclear waste gets sorted out I can't see where that would be an option any company would be willing to look into. 

Imo, nuke is the way to go, but sheet.....  figure some sheet out already... 

One thing about nuke power though: it's the only consistent power generation where the waste is actually containable.  Everything else is just pumped into the sky.

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On 5/10/2022 at 10:33 PM, NOAZ longshot said:

PS.  we have thought about installing a small wind turbine to give some nigh time supplement.  Because we live on top of a mountain at just over 6000 feet we almost always have some wind.

 

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Beautiful house and scenery! I'm very jealous!

I would strongly recommend against wind power, unless you select very carefully. A friend of mine bought a 400w wind turbine that was very highly rated and it produced almost nothing, like less than 50 watts. We checked everything out and the bottom line was, even with a very stiff breeze the alternator was a poor design that would never produce much power.

I also saw a video of a guy who mounted a larger one on his truck so he could drive it around at whatever speed he wanted to test output at different speeds. That one only produced about 200w at like 65 mph. He ended up designing his own carbon fiber blades which were much better and mounting them on a very complex pitch control mechanism and he managed to get over 400w, but it just wasn't worth the trouble and expense. I've also heard that the huge multi-megawatt wind turbines don't ever produce the claimed power output.

There is a horizontal one that uses a squirrel cage design that's designed to be mounted on  the ridge of the roof. They claim it works even at lower wind speeds due to acceleration of the wind going up the roof before hitting it. It's also capable of catching wind from either side of the roof and working at higher wind speeds than other designs. It's advertised to be much better, but it's probably really expensive, even by wind turbine standards.

 

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On 5/11/2022 at 9:53 AM, Lord of the Dunes said:

I'm just trying to help here, so please don't take offense.

No offense taken.  Solar is a constant learning curve.  I appreciate the insight.  We bought the house 2 years ago and the seller installed new batteries before we closed.  The house was build it 2010 and I was sure the old batteries were the original and they were dead.

We did add 1400w of panels facing West with an additional controller to keep the power going until Sunset.

These 6v batteries are in two strings of 4 wired in series to make a 24v system, then the two strings are wired in parallel.  the old batteries were very similar in size but had three strings of four 6v.  According to the Solar Company I consulted with after we moved in, adding a third string was not recommended per the battery manufacturer.  The thought was to increase the storage capacity knowing that it would take longer to fully charge.

I do like the idea of using bus bars.  I will have to look into that.   Correct me if I am wrong, but I would only have the Two "Strings" of four wired into the bus bar.  Each string would still be series with the ends connected to the bus?

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On 5/11/2022 at 2:29 PM, Orange_R said:

You really need to put the encyclopedia down and have a beer lol, I'll buy :cheers: 

Where and when for the free beer?

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13 hours ago, Lord of the Dunes said:

Beautiful house and scenery! I'm very jealous!

Nothing to be jealous about.  Just 40 acres surrounded by 1280 acres of State Land, no neighbors and all the Snakes, Rabbit, Bobcat, Javalina, Mountain Lion, Deer and Elk you can eat.

 

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33 minutes ago, NOAZ longshot said:

No offense taken.  Solar is a constant learning curve.  I appreciate the insight.  We bought the house 2 years ago and the seller installed new batteries before we closed.  The house was build it 2010 and I was sure the old batteries were the original and they were dead.

We did add 1400w of panels facing West with an additional controller to keep the power going until Sunset.

These 6v batteries are in two strings of 4 wired in series to make a 24v system, then the two strings are wired in parallel.  the old batteries were very similar in size but had three strings of four 6v.  According to the Solar Company I consulted with after we moved in, adding a third string was not recommended per the battery manufacturer.  The thought was to increase the storage capacity knowing that it would take longer to fully charge.

I do like the idea of using bus bars.  I will have to look into that.   Correct me if I am wrong, but I would only have the Two "Strings" of four wired into the bus bar.  Each string would still be series with the ends connected to the bus?

I didn't notice it was a 24v battery bank. Yes, using bus bars, or just a common post connected to each string with equal length cables would work.

I'm really glad you're using 24v, much better than a 12v system for higher powered use like an entire house. What are you using for an inverter? If you haven't seen them yet, they have hybrid inverters now. The solar panels connect to this one unit, as well as the 24v battery bank, AC input and AC output. There's a big menu that you setup, pretty easy, to tell it which way the power flows. Solar to battery charging first, then if an AC load starts up, it puts out just enough to power it. If a 3,000 w load comes up, it puts as much solar as is available, then adds battery power if necessary. After the sun goes down, it automatically powers any AC loads from the battery. If you connect a generator, it charges the batteries first priority, if an AC load starts up, it passes the AC from the genny to the load. The beauty of it is, there is no switching between inputs and outputs. It all flows to or from the batteries to the AC loads seemlessly. As soon as the sun comes up, it automatically charges the batteries. It's a 60A MPPT solar controller, 80A AC battery charger and 3,000w inverter, all built into one unit. Instead of spending $3600 for a Victron inverter, or $2,000 for a Magnum inverter, these are only about $500-600 ea. I have 2 for each trailer, so they can provide 6,000w to the A/Cs and other AC loads in 240v split phase with an interface board. They have even larger ones that are 6500w per phase, but those are 48v inverters.

As for your solar panels, I'd recommend they all point to the south at the proper azimuth for your latitude. While the east facing panels catch more morning sun, the south panels also catch sun, almost as much, right at sunrise. By facing some to the east and west, they only catch optimal sun in the morning and afternoon. One large array pointing south would catch sun all day and optimal sun most of the day. Unless there's some reason like terrain that prevents a large array.

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47 minutes ago, NOAZ longshot said:

Nothing to be jealous about.  Just 40 acres surrounded by 1280 acres of State Land, no neighbors and all the Snakes, Rabbit, Bobcat, Javalina, Mountain Lion, Deer and Elk you can eat.

 

Now you're just rubbing it in!!  :lol:

Now I'm MEGA jealous!   LOL

I've thought about getting a 5 acre lot, plopping down a prefab house on it and covering the entire roof wit solar panels and putting in a 40Kwh battery bank to power the house and workshop/barn. The only problem is finding someplace that has water available, or a well and a septic system.

Other days I think about moving to Thailand and getting massages every day in a luxurious $600/mo. apartment.

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6 hours ago, NOAZ longshot said:

Nothing to be jealous about.  Just 40 acres surrounded by 1280 acres of State Land, no neighbors and all the Snakes, Rabbit, Bobcat, Javalina, Mountain Lion, Deer and Elk you can eat.

 

many would disagree with that... how expensive was it to build up here? Oh, and where's up there? :lol: 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I believe the TOPic says.....Let's Clear the Air. Well........Congrats, your place has done just that. Enjoy the Peace that place offers y'all. Peace

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1 hour ago, Orange_R said:

many would disagree with that... how expensive was it to build up here? Oh, and where's up there? :lol: 

Seligman, Arizona - Wikipedia

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20 hours ago, Orange_R said:

many would disagree with that... how expensive was it to build up here? Oh, and where's up there? :lol: 

Here is a place near us.  Seligman AZ.  On Interstate 40 at Route 66.  About 45 miles East of Kingman AZ and 45 miles West of Williams AZ.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/33867-W-Whiskey-River-Rd-Seligman-AZ-86337/60121641_zpid/

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This is vacant land at the base of our mountain,  Good for well drilling.  There are a few lots out here that already have wells and they flow very well. (pun intended)

LOT-243C N Chosen Few Rd, Seligman, AZ 86337 | MLS #1047151 | Zillow

$1600 an acre.  I have seen as low as $500 an acre, but not for a few years now.

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On 5/13/2022 at 12:43 AM, Lord of the Dunes said:

As for your solar panels, I'd recommend they all point to the south at the proper azimuth for your latitude. While the east facing panels catch more morning sun, the south panels also catch sun, almost as much, right at sunrise. By facing some to the east and west, they only catch optimal sun in the morning and afternoon. One large array pointing south would catch sun all day and optimal sun most of the day. Unless there's some reason like terrain that prevents a large array.

The large "original panel array is on the south side of the house.  Actually about 190 degrees, so it misses the first light in the Summer.  Then after about 3:00PM the Sun no longer hits them directly.  By putting in the West panels, we get Sun until the horizon.

It's an Outback system; yes, it does switch from solar, to generator.  When the Battery Tender tells me we are low, I start the Generator and plug it in.  Not much else to it.  The batteries are charged and the A/C load in the house is covered too.  I takes about 20 minutes of generator time to meet the "Charged" parameters; a little longer in the winter, (cold batteries)

We added a second Controller to the wall about where the orange air hose is hung.  The inverter (between the two grey breaker panels) is an A/C110v.  There is room to add a second inverter to the rack below the first to get A/C220v, but nothing in the house is 220v, so that is not needed.  This is an old picture, you can see the corrosion on the dead batteries, they were DRT, Dead Right There!

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Back to LA and irrigation water....

20 some years ago, I had an interesting conversation w/a guy that worked for the city of Tucson.  We spoke about NG fueled 454s (running at a low rpm, 1,200, or 1,800 on wells (which is sucking Ag water out of the ground and ruining industry).  Back on track....every city park, golf course (and water hazards),  every city lake, (some cover many acres) every city building, is watered with reclaimed sewer plant water.  They have water left over.  What do we do with it?  Put in the dry Santa Cruz river?  (which would be good for the river and Riparian area as it would return it closer to what it was before Turcson came along).  No, that would affect the environment and putting poop-water (which is Potable) in the river might draw negatives.  That won't work.....thinking caps are put on.  Lets put it back in the ground (in the aquafer and then drink it).

The 1st part makes a lot of sense (not the stealing ag water part), but not so sure about the last.  If we ate going to drink it anyways, why put it in the ground...OHHHHH, never mind.

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