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Not trying to start a debate on this or that, nor turn this into a political discussion just trying to do my own reading/research.

As someone still on the fence of whether or not to get "The Shot" I would like to do some real reading on the shots. Where are some good places to read up on them and their pluses and minuses that are just bias shout chambers. What sources have you guys used to base your decisions to get it or not. Not looking for "my sister's brother's friend told me".

 

If they would give FDA approval to the vaccine it would make the choice a whole lot easier. I really don't like that the manufactures can not be held liable.

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I literally just got off the phone with my doctor to review my latest blood test and she was mentioning that doctors are being censored and that she cannot post anything on social media or other places regarding what she is seeing in the field.

this Physician is young and healthy and was also raised by anti-VAXers. I believe she actually has no vaccinations whatsoever.

that being said she still prefers that her at risk patients get the vaccine and other than that she believes it is a personal choice but I got the impression that if you were relatively young and in good health she probably would discourage it, although again I felt like she was not comfortable expressing her medical opinion generally.

my ex-wife has severe food allergies, very strange ones and her physician specifically told her she should not get the vaccine.

my decision was based on my health, age and desire to travel. I highly doubt that the Covid vaccine is what he’s going to kill me.

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My wife works at a Dr office, one of the Dr's and her husband  that have both been vaxed got covid last week. Not sure how they are doing because  today  was our first day back to work since she found out.

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There is no way to do the research without Politics in the equation. 86% of Democrats are vaccinated, 42% of Republicans are vaccinated.  The election made this about politics, sad in so many ways...................If you find good reliable resources, let me know.

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Your going to get some pretty extreme viewpoints around here that is for sure.

The way I looked at it was this. 

I have made lots of choices that I know are not good for my health, I use to smoke, I use to party pretty hard as well. I eat bad, my blood pressure is probably high my blood has the consistency of maple syrup and I am sure there are 1000 things I have done that will cause cancer.

What will the vaccine do to me that I have not done to myself?  I don't think the chances of me having any offspring are very high so what is the worst that happens?  At this point in my life if I get any disease that kills me who is to say it was from getting a shot and not something I did 30 years ago. 

 

If I get the dam thing then I don't need to worry about possibly getting the crap and if I do it won't be nearly as bad. Last night I watched the Suns game in a pretty crowded bar for the first time. It did enter my mind that somebody in there could have it.  But I did what I could do to not worry about it by getting a couple of shots. 

 

Then there is the thing  not being able to breath is my darkest fear of dying. Had Bronchitis once and that scared the crap out of me. I hate needles but not being able to breath just flat out terrify's me.  

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It will be tough to find non-political stuff about the vaccine on-line.    Lots of anti-vaccine organizations online that make it look like they are a medical website.   You can try some of the legit medical journal websites.   Best to talk to doctors you trust and ask them.  

 

 

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 - same... on the fence..

 

One of my big questions is whether or not they are actively updating the vaccines as new research moves forward, OR are they still shooting people up with the same formulation as December? I am having trouble finding any information at all.

 

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23 minutes ago, 1slomofo said:

 - same... on the fence..

 

One of my big questions is whether or not they are actively updating the vaccines as new research moves forward, OR are they still shooting people up with the same formulation as December? I am having trouble finding any information at all.

 

Same vaccine as anything different would have to be approved by the FDA, even on an emergency basis.  

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I was a strong hold out till more info came out.

Then a good talk with a Dr. friend of mine...he and his wife (a Nurse) both in the trenches of this crap...he said look if you get the vaccine or don't get he doesn't care.

BUT...if I were to get Covid and have very low or almost no symptoms at all and then were to be around my mom who has a very weak immune system and she got it...it could be very very bad he said!

So, plain and simple, I got the shot to protect my mom or at least help. She also got the shot, the Maderna one.

I got the J&J shot...arm hurt for about an hour...other than that, nothing!

Even my brother was telling me when he went in the marines 30 years ago, he got shot up with all sorts of crap and this he wasn't worried about either.

Our family is strong conservative/republican by the way...just to be part of the politics side of this :lmao:

Oh...and I don't get the Flu shot either, still won't!

:dbart:

PS, added before the shot and after the shot pics! :bag:

see, nothing to worry about!

 

 

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Should probably mention that once the FDA grants full approvals for the vaccines, they will become mandated . . .

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1 minute ago, South Bay said:

Should probably mention that once the FDA grants full approvals for the vaccines, they will become mandated . . .

You can't say Mandated! That will be mandatory...Oh wait, can't say that either probably!

:lmao:

One of those terms they are going to change even though it's not gender specific. Clown World we live in!

 

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The Vaccine doesn't protect against COVID.

My wife's doctor said yesterday, that 50-66% of the people getting the Delta Variant have been vaxed.  I know several people that were vaxed and got it.  One of em, it screwed up his lungs.

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A few thoughts.

 

1). If it were really saving lives it would COST.  Are cancer treatments free? Are they giving away free raffle tickets for vacations if you get your cancer treatments? 

2). Dr's are being censored. Why?

3). Why did George Soros and Bill gates just purchase a Covid test making company? 

4).  There have been 40+ thousand deaths from the vaccine to date. 

Does the government and those who support this shot really care about others lives? That's what this is all about right? "HEY PUT YOUR MASK ON YOU MIGHT KILL SOMEONE!!". Right?  What about all of the policies and laws that have been implemented that promote suicide, crime, homelessness, etc. etc. etc...... 

The virus is real. It does kill people. But in no way is it as dangerous as THEY would have you believe. You are more than 50% times likely to die in a car accident than from Covid. In fact  95% of all "Covid" deaths are accompanied with at least 4 comorbidities. Are they asking us to stop driving because we might kills someone?  

If you get Covid you have a 99% chance of survival. if you get the vaccine you can still get Covid and you STILL have a 99% chance of survival.

This is global warming, global cooling, holy ozone, climate change, polar caps melting, seas rising but now it's connected to YOU!  This is a machine producing huge profits and political control.  I don't even believe that THEY in power know what they are doing but in the end the goal is for all of us to bow down to the government in fear for our lives and hand over our God given inalienable rights.

"Give me liberty or give me death"  - Patrick Henry

"Oh please save us dear government - take whatever you want. And PLEASE don't silence or shame me" - Today's society.

WAKE UP PEOPLE. 

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10 minutes ago, SPODE said:

A few thoughts.

 

1). If it were really saving lives it would COST.  Are cancer treatments free? Are they giving away free raffle tickets for vacations if you get your cancer treatments? 

2). Dr's are being censored. Why?

3). Why did George Soros and Bill gates just purchase a Covid test making company? 

4).  There have been 40+ thousand deaths from the vaccine to date. 

Does the government and those who support this shot really care about others lives? That's what this is all about right? "HEY PUT YOUR MASK ON YOU MIGHT KILL SOMEONE!!". Right?  What about all of the policies and laws that have been implemented that promote suicide, crime, homelessness, etc. etc. etc...... 

The virus is real. It does kill people. But in no way is it as dangerous as THEY would have you believe. You are more than 50% times likely to die in a car accident than from Covid. In fact  95% of all "Covid" deaths are accompanied with at least 4 comorbidities. Are they asking us to stop driving because we might kills someone?  

If you get Covid you have a 99% chance of survival. if you get the vaccine you can still get Covid and you STILL have a 99% chance of survival.

This is global warming, global cooling, holy ozone, climate change, polar caps melting, seas rising but now it's connected to YOU!  This is a machine producing huge profits and political control.  I don't even believe that THEY in power know what they are doing but in the end the goal is for all of us to bow down to the government in fear for our lives and hand over our God given inalienable rights.

"Give me liberty or give me death"  - Patrick Henry

"Oh please save us dear government - take whatever you want. And PLEASE don't silence or shame me" - Today's society.

WAKE UP PEOPLE. 

It does cost.  It was funded by congress/EO under the Covid bills.  Check out Pfizer/Moderna/J&J stock since March-ish.

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I think I had Covid January 2020.  Fever and cough for 3 days.  No-one else in my family or anyone I had contact with got sick.  

I know 2nd hand, 2 people who were hospitalized with "covid" in 1 1/2 years.  No one I know or work with "quarantined" at any point.  I continued working through all of this and was in constant contact with co-workers, the public, vendors and contractors.

My friends and family never skipped a beat with gatherings, parties, handshakes and hugs. 

This pandemic literally only exists, for me, in the media.

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18 minutes ago, Rockwood said:

It does cost.  It was funded by congress/EO under the Covid bills.  Check out Pfizer/Moderna/J&J stock since March-ish.

Yup, you are correct. I am aware of that information thank you. My point is that because it IS government funded they are holding your hand walking you into "We know what's best for YOU - come along let US help you".. 

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1 minute ago, SPODE said:

Yup, you are correct. I am aware of that information thank you. My point is that because it IS government funded TAX PAYER FUNDED they are holding your hand walking you into "We know what's best for YOU - come along let US help you".. 

Fixed it for you.

We need to get away form this "government funded". It's ALL TAX PAYER FUNDED!  These f*ckers just spend, spend, spend our money with not a care or control in the world.

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I got it in Feb 2020. 3 out of our 4 family members did as well. My ten year old barely showed any symptoms. My 18 year old was mildly sick for 2 days. My wife (50) did not get it. She however is on  Hydroxychloroquine as she has Lupus. 

My son in law's family also got it from myself. His wife and child both got it. He however did not. He was also taking  Hydroxychloroquine as he has a mild case of Raynauds .

 

This all happened before the Anti-Hydroxy propaganda. THEY want you sick. THEY want you dependent. Yes, we have gotten to this stage.

I struggle with all of the cray cray conspirator theorists over the last couple years. But when China, Venezuela, Big Tech, huge foreign money,  and our Libs all work together coupled with the most dumbed down population this country has ever seen I simply can not deny it any more. 

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32 minutes ago, Mac said:

Fixed it for you.

We need to get away form this "government funded". It's ALL TAX PAYER FUNDED!  These f*ckers just spend, spend, spend our money with not a care or control in the world.

Ayep.  Just because there isn't an obvious cost, doesn't mean you didn't pay for it.  

Which is fine, so long as We, The People, continue to have a say.  Those days are getting numbered or are already dead.

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I had it in Feb 2021.  Nasal headache for 2 days.  Wife lost smell and taste for about 10 days.  My 3 kids whom I was on hanging out on the couch with 10 min before my positive results never got it.  I am on the fence because I have yet to find a study which states my natural resistance from already having it will be improved by the vaccine.  That being said, if the FDA approved it tomorrow I would probably just get it over with but the lack of liability has me second guessing.  I can just see the TV commercials now.... Did you receive the emergency Covid 19 vaccine and live.  You are eligible for jack sh!t.

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3 hours ago, SPODE said:

I got it in Feb 2020. 3 out of our 4 family members did as well. My ten year old barely showed any symptoms. My 18 year old was mildly sick for 2 days. My wife (50) did not get it. She however is on  Hydroxychloroquine as she has Lupus. 

My son in law's family also got it from myself. His wife and child both got it. He however did not. He was also taking  Hydroxychloroquine as he has a mild case of Raynauds .

 

This all happened before the Anti-Hydroxy propaganda. THEY want you sick. THEY want you dependent. Yes, we have gotten to this stage.

I struggle with all of the cray cray conspirator theorists over the last couple years. But when China, Venezuela, Big Tech, huge foreign money,  and our Libs all work together coupled with the most dumbed down population this country has ever seen I simply can not deny it any more. 

My wife has Lupus too and was taking Plaquenil (hydroxychloroquine) for years when she was younger, thankfully her Lupus seems to be mostly in remission now. (she got stung by a bee in the 90's and the Lupus symptoms lessened significantly, but that's another story)

The way the media and the Gov officials portrayed hydroxychloroquine was nothing short of extremely dishonest and immoral. The risk they played up, cardiac issues and retina damage are miniscule. My wife was on high doses of Plaquenil for years with no side effects. And so have many other Lupus patients and others with rheumatoid arthritis. In most of the world this drug is available otc!

So the same people that lied about Hydroxychloroquine can't understand why people are hesitant to get the vaccine? There has been too much dis-information/politicization in the last year  around Covid for people to feel confident about getting vaccinated. And I don't blame them for being skeptical.

BTW, I am vaccinated, J&J shot. There are reasons why I did, but I support anyone to do what is right for them and not what others want them to do.

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