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  1. The first tank through my 2 seat Turbo S went pretty quickly too. Running on stock tires at Sand Mountain Nev, which is about 4700 ft, I was surprised when it sucked it down in about 55 miles. The gas gauge is going to take some figuring out. With my old car, a 2014 XP1k 2 seater it burned a lot more fuel paddled up than with the stock stuff on it. I am hoping that the MPG improves a bit, some of our rides can touch on 100 miles. I guess I will be grabbing a Rotopax deal if it doesn't.
  2. I will take a stab at it. I like the transmission package in the Talon. Being an old fart, I like at least the option of shifting. Whether it is ready for prime time with big power is still a question unanswered...but I like that they have pushed the market with it. The R model has some handling issues IMHO...but for a first step into the game Honda did good...real good. I sold my 2014 XP1k recently, and after a LOT of pondering, test fitting at dealers til I think they were mad at me, I settled on a new ride...a 2019 Turbo S Dynamix 2 seater. I have had it opened up doing some wiring stuff for mods, and I see some improvement in quality and fit and finish. Is it perfect...no. But it is a big jump from the 1k. I like the Dynamix and ride command so far. I loved the way the Can Am XRS looked and felt once I had it on...I am 6-4 and about 280 so it is like putting on a pair of wranglers...and that was what kept me from buying. After riding in and driving a friends XDS I think that Can Am has a good machine. Putting it on and taking it off wasn't gonna work for me I haven't been close enough to any of the others to offer an opinion that is based on fact.
  3. We got the Dynamix...Fox Live Valve and the Ride Command. Reading the book on Ride Command, LOL.
  4. Well after spending several hours in a friend's garage, next to his new X3, and ding the get in get out dance, it became clear to me the Turbo S was going to be the easiest to live with. We ride, get out, explore, walk around, ride some more ,etc. So Turbo S it is. Or was. Brought one home yesterday. Concord Polaris has aggressive pricing, and if you are willing to drive for it you can save some bucks. I bought local and did well. I will leave it at that. Figure in a year or so I will get ahold of Ed and start with his spring package. I haul a lot of stuff around because of how far we get from camp, and I expect the PoPo springs will sag quickly.
  5. I was hoping for a different direction, a different engine and perhaps a move away from the CVT. I can't count the number of surveys I filled out for various survey companies (who never ID the mfg. seeking info) the past couple of years and always asked for more legroom, more power, a non cvt gearbox, and a quantum leap in quality control. Polaris new machine is loaded with electronic stuff that is nice to have and appeals to a lot of buyers. Being an old school guy, and old in general, I wish they had put the effort into the powertrain first, then added the goodies. This machine is approaching 1800 lbs. dry weight, and that is a lotta machine. It will be well over a ton when wet and loaded with two people, and ice chests, tools, spares, light bars, etc. I want a 72wide machine to replace my `14 XP1K2 seater. I suspect this car will get the Turbo S treatment in 2021. I also think the list price for that will be in in the 32k range. Count me out at that number. Not that I can't afford it...I just don't see the juice being worth the squeeze. I am right now deciding between a 19 Turbo S and a 19 X3 XRS Turbo R. I posted in that other thread soliciting thoughts. I am 6-4 and about 275, and have am disabled with major back issues. I need a machine that rides as best as possible. I know a visit to Ed Niemela with be required with either machine. He worked wonders on my current car. I hem and haw and need to step up and choose. Soon. Anyway...that is where I see this new ride. Cool, lotsa tech built in. I think they have pushed the twin a long way...I don't know how much more they can squeeze outta it.
  6. I am living this same quandry right now. Spent yesterday driving around to a couple of dealers down in the city. I have a 14 XP1K that is pretty nicely set up. I am the last non turbo guy in our group. I will be 61 in October and whatever I buy I want it to be the LAST one. I like the Turbo S but the seating position in the X3 is better for my back issues. I have a nice set of PRP custom seats in the XP and PRP says I can just buy a new base and they will fit in the Can Am. Can get pretty good deals right now on 2019 models of both machines. Polaris dealer will do me better on trade and let me pull a bunch of stuff to sell. Cost difference is negligible. I really like the looks of the new blue 2020 RR...but as I have gotten older I have also become a helluva lot cheaper and know the 172 machine will serve me just fine. Grant from Funco's opinion is a big one....what to do dammit?
  7. Read the entire thread, and found myself nodding and saying WTF to myself more than once, LOL. Sand Mountain,, Nevada has been our, "home dunes" for...crap 35 years. We built our first sand toys to run in an old hydraulic diggins area near here, then discovered "the Mountain, and all was lost. I remember being just as pissed at the release of Quads as some guys seem to be as the proliferation of the SXS today. We felt and said may of the same things being said here....too much easy money, too many idiots. And...it is a universal truth that BLM is completely worthless. They are so focused on the stuff that don''t matter that they can't deal with the stuff that does. Worthless. Ghost camping is even here now. They can't seem to find their ass with both hands and a mirror when it comes to this problem. It isn't that hard...(And this is coming from a guy who wore a badge and gun for 26 years) We spent a small fortune building what were, for the time, some of the fastest hillshooters around. Drug them clear to Glamis a couple of times, wound up coming back to camp once to find Larry Minor had camped next to us. Hearing our uncorked V-8's idle into camp he stuck his head out of the NHRA hauler he was using and said to his friends, """looks like we parked in the right place". We had a great weekend with him, he signed Tee shirts for my sons and had his drivers do the same and sent them to us in the mail. A great great guy. But...times change everywhere, folks. Everywhere. The big Weekend at Sand Mountain has always been Halloween. I won't even go anymore. We were there for the weekend before and it is crazy the people rolling in. Which brings me to my point. It ain't the machines, boys. It never has been . It is the people. Yes easy money has made it easier for people to get toys they ain't ready for, but idiots will be idiots, at home, on your freeways, and yes...in your sandbox. People. It is a reflection of what we as a society have come to tolerate. I am sure none of us here tolerate any ahole behavior from our group, and we demand our kids respect the land we ride on and each other, and pick up after ourselves. It doesn't take a lot of looking around to see that not everyone is following that lead. I think the best thing we can do when our teenage kids ask to bring a friend along...perhaps a friend who has no Dad or has no one to teach them about the outdoors is to make damn sure we do what we can to get the fundamentals drilled into their heads on that first trip...because odds are when we take that kid along we are creating another future duner. I am blessed to see my now grown sons teaching my grandchildren now. This is where the core is...this is how we keep the flow going....our children and grandchildren, and those we can have some influence on....taking it down the trail with them.
  8. I am looking forward to this. More competition is indeed good. Wife got her new kitchen and is doing new floors, we are on a "plan" to sell and leave California (rural NorCal) in 5 years and this put a new SXS out about 2 model years for me. I really hope the Honda turbo Talon is a player. Everything I have ever owned that was stamped Honda has been dead nut reliable and worked as advertised. At my age (60) the next one will probably be the last as I have a couple of long dormant hot rod projects that need to get in line before I check out.
  9. Just my opinion, but were I in the market for a new ride (won't be for another 18 months or so) this would not set well with me. Rubs me the wrong way. I understand what he is trying to do with the thing, but it just doesn't feel right. Next ride is going to be a turbo, so that would rule out the XX right now...but if I was shopping it wouldn't be on my list with this deal in place. I wonder how many other people will feel the same way?
  10. Agreed, Dunerat, and to think it wasn't that long ago we we had a choice of a Rhino. Period. I've been playing the off road game for about 40 years, first rail I built had a Pinto 2300 in it. Long time ago. I think the next year or two will see some serious game changing advancements, and look forward to seeing the manufacturers go to battle for my $$$
  11. I hear ya Dev. I bought the 2014 and with the $ I have poured into it it will serve us for another couple of years. Our riding style has changed a bit, we are doing a lot of exploration of the back country these days, sometimes our group finds ourselves over 100 miles from pavement...so I can wait. It is not like life will end if I don''t get a new one, we will still be out there doing our thing. And the current new one just doesn't twist me enough to make me think I gotta have it. Improved? Yes. Game changing. No. Mrs. FBT has waited a long time to do the kitchen, and it is part of the big plan to get ready to sell when she retires. I have other projects in the shop, two hot rods and a boat, I can fiddle along with them for now. And as you said...who knows what the future will bring in two model years...
  12. I guess I expected too much from what amounts to a 3rd run at refining the 2014. I got to try an S on for size and take a little ride in it a couple weeks ago. I can't count the number of surveys I filled out for Polaris on the Owners council deal and elsewhere. Legroom, fix the bucking suspension, and put some seats in the dang thing. They are pushing the power, they have done a lot...but it is time for a new design, I hope they know it. My issues with it. The legroom hasn't changed. My left knee still gets bruised from that wonderful pointy thing in the door jamb. Was no one over 5-10 on the initial interior team? The seats still remind me of the funky bar stools my parents had in the house I grew up in in the 60's and 70's. My Pound Sand tuned Walkers make me happy for now. The electronic suspension is a move in the right direction I am sure, but when, O when, will one of these companies put out a machine that actually does NOT need a customer supplied infusion of cash to "fix" the suspension? I hope everyone who buys one has a blast with it and that it turns out to be a problem free machine, but me...I am gonna wait. A new car from a clean sheet of paper, and turbo the 1000...and I will look again. Wife is getting a new kitchen, then I am getting a new something...so 2 years. We shall see what 2 years brings us.
  13. I want to thank you guys who suggested I look into the Aftershocks, I bought a set and splurged on a new set of Method 401's to mount them on. Went with 14x7 due to some of the places we go... Got the car out this past weekend and am very happy with the package. At 8 PSI the tires are really stable at speed and hook up on any surface we tried and we put down 180 miles up in northern Nevada, high desert flat ground and some very steep and deteriorated trails high elevation mountain trails...excellent bite and stability. When we got into the dunes I aired them down to 6.5 PSI and they took me anywhere the Bighorns would have. I am a happy camper, and don't see myself going back to the Bighorns anytime soon. More wheel time and less time plugging tires is always good. Thanks again..
  14. Wheels and tires on the way. We are heading out to try them out in a couple of weeks...thanks for the input guys.
  15. So I am going to go with the Aftershocks in 30x10-14. I understand the pros and cons of the various wheel offset options available. Right now I have my Bighorns on 4+4 front and 5+5 rear GMZ Venomous wheels that I had my paddles on...which are now on Beadlocks. I really like the stability of this set up but understand the load it puts on parts. I am going to buy new wheels and put the Aftershocks on them. I am looking at Method 401 Titanium's, and am leaning towards 14x8 on all four corners, 4+4. Is there any reason to not put them on 8 inch rims and go with the 7's in 4+3? Thanks in advance for your input. We don't ride in places where sticking to the narrower track is going to be an issue.

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