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Weren't you at the Sand Show? Who were the only two people displaying those two cars and what were they promoting for that car? Wellllll ....they were there, soooo....what's your point? I thought that you did not understand above what I was talking about? Again...you ask me what I'm talking...

Can't remember where I saw it and I could be wrong yet someone posted long range photos of this car sitting next to some other CF models. One was in a parking lott and the other was out in the boonies somewhere next to some other models.

Joe said no way. https://www.barrons.com/news/biden-rules-out-intervening-in-looming-dockworkers-strike-881af2ac

More like 5 days at $3+ to $4+ billion per day per some accounts. Amen. Try the guys in my sig pic if you are interested in simple truths, some humor and salvation. The Larry Bowles episodes are my favorites.

There is no integrity in today's college or pro sports. I quit watching college when they wouldn't let the FBI on to college campuses in the fall of 2001 and the pros after even more overt national disrespect plus the advent of nation-wide gambling. Nothing there for our kids to emulate and...

....or wait for CFMOTO to very likely bring something to the table in the premier category (do a search) which leap frogs both as they just did with the Z10. Choices are good.

The easiest way to shut someone up over any claim of a 'contract' somehow being in force is to prod them to produce same in a court of law. To my knowledge, no one is putting their money where their mouth is in this regard. Case closed.

It's hard for me to believe that I would pick that car even half ass race ready over all others simply for the DCT. I might change my mind if I ever experienced a race ready car yet I've never ran across anything that beats it on paper in a SxS let alone what fun one would expect to have ripping it.

If you're only using vendors to show them off...and the vendors to date have been limited to a speaker(?) and one mirror....how does that show stand up to the SSSS in terms of vendors? I'm still waiting for the question in post #36 to be addressed regarding comparative patent submissions. How...

Read the fine or not so much fine print (actually larger than life) on that (cough) 'contract': No refunds. At that point...wait for it...you are taking someone's word that they can indeed deliver...or you do not obviously invest due to your appetite for risk. I'm starting to not even feel...

To compare Bernie Madoff to Robbie Gordon is...not worth replying to.

Yeah, most reading this would come to both conclusions themselves This is the 'Big Boy' world of investing. Anyone can say anything that they please and this fantasy of "taking someone's word for it" is just that. Would Kickstarter have ever launched all those products if there were...

I believe that would be 'Buffy' and 'Biff' demanding these refunds.

Did too..I would take a N/A car (Honda was obviously smart going that route in these races) with 'less' power any day of the week. Most would admit the sane privately as they frankly don't have or cannot afford a car that would ever hold up (safely) at a fraction of what that Honda is capable of...

I have yet to witness anyone simply man up regarding the deposit let alone the accessories and have probably missed someone else on the net suggest both. My bad. Again, I am at fault here. I come from a generation of self responsible risk takers. We do not throw good money after bad knowing...

If I could pick a car that had been modified *at no expense spared* at this point in time...the above would be high on the list.

I have never promised my wife a car on the condition that she might not ever see it nor her deposit let alone additional accessory money due to a non-refundable deposit clause. That would be on me or her also if she was so in love that losing all that money did not matter.

...now again (to get back on topic)...if SPEED had been allowing conflicting information (bogus information already forwarded to them well before the show began) to be spread at the Sand Show? Why would anyone with a deposit down be expecting absolutely anything let alone a car in the end? This...

Yeah I'd like to know who they told to simply "mention" the all important/critical delivery date ...but to not necessarily "confirm" same in their "mentioning". Now you know why I don't worry about that $500 given how this was apparently being played at really the 1st opportunity for us all to...

Again, you're saying that Big Brother (or whoever) wasn't standing right there beside all these guys, holding their hands, saying: "Uhhhhh, 'dude'....you haven't even got the car that they did not promise you given their no refund policy ...why in the heck are you now going 'all in' buying...