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That was my point. You're coming back with the premise that you know full well (for a fact) that CFMOTO will have Z10s on showroom floors before the first of the year. I am saying that I willingly risked $500 on a deposit given the fact that somebody is apparently telling both you and I...

They had brochures with pricing but a few days after the invitation only release and I believe currently on their website as well. What I am more interested in is where you have been definitively told that Z10s will be in dealer's hands by the end of the year. If this is so, a whole bunch of...

I debated mentioning the Talon's racing success yet I am just not a believer in these race cars resembling anything that is advertised nor which the public receives. That horse left the barn years ago involving racing of all types with tech inspections at literally all levels of our own sport...

So what is the difference between CFMOTO today (conversely a long established manufacturer) trying to sell accessories for the Z10 well before an order can even be placed for the car by a dealer or a firm delivery date announced to customers for 6+ months before even that? Do I take...

My decision years ago came down to enjoying the experience 'side by side' rather than alone or one-up. Comfort was a close second and effortlessness third. I said the same and lusted after everything 'but' (see the first Honda Rincon) before they pretty much perfected the drive and I started...

Until someone comes out and is willing to state publicly that they received a full refund from SPEED at what pre-order date, on what serial number car and for what given reason by SPEED on paper then what are current owners/depositers expected to believe? Why would I be tearing my hair out for...

Is there a comparable patent picture showing the Z10's frame which would put the above question to rest or are the two frames near identical for each patent submitted?

Yeah I'm not getting what the fuss is all about concerning Speed having watched this from afar for years. The proposition was (hopefully) a cool new car for the price of a non-refundable deposit. After this acceptance, you are basically a very willing, very long term, no turning back investor in...

I caught the above as well; thanks for posting. (At the 9 minute mark above): Interesting to me how he compares the current top tier machines to those (necessarily) left behind in terms of updated features. Also where the 2025 market is in terms of feature rich 2nd tier choices for the minority...

...for anyone who is counting or cares; that's a 2/3 boost in HP for the next(?) CF model as speculated on in post #33. My own current interest in the Z10 concerning HP: 143 HP supported by sufficient suspension is plenty of power for most anyone and I don't care where you ride when I say...

What I see above for many possibly waiting for the other shoe to drop (future first time customers, competitors and folks such as EVP) is not a whole new engine(?) but the gain of significant ponies (fun) and a whole new car (wider/better suspended?) for what might likely be the same cost or...

...with the above said(?) It is pretty disconcerting when Nikal is told one story from those supposedly in the know..I tell everyone up here another completely opposite from what little that I do..and nobody else either knows the truth, cares to or is interested enough to put down a deposit...

About all we can say at this point is that no other seasoned and/or legitimate manufacturer has ever attempted to release a potentially ground breaking SxS (or many) using this present hold off on all orders/who knows if you'll ever get one (or if so when) release strategy. And it just may work.

No argument here yet I have always had trouble simply waiting to have more fun while others were already out there having it. Your example of the bargain AC XX in '23 kind of hurts. I always figured that I would be more than satisfied with that car since the day that I saw a guy roll it down a...

"...MSRP and what a dealer chooses to charge or added dealer fees are two different things and up to that dealer. If you feel a dealer is marking up or charging more then you like, check around. Some dealers won’t play the BS game, as they know volume is more important long term then instant...

...what I contacted the factory regarding was any idea as to what destination charges should be running as charged to the dealers geographically. It would also be nice to know what setup entails as some/many? Dealers will obviously be trying to squeeze all that they can out of those foolishly...

Yeah it was a bit disconcerting to hear the same story (delayed December order taking date for everyone/spring delivery) from multiple dealers contacted during the first 24 hours or so at launch. Even more so when we laid our money down anyways to supposedly be first and still couldn't get a...

Keep in mind also that CFMOTO has had to take on a whole lot of distributors here in the U.S. who were previously marginally or not at all 110% concentrated on power sports sales. These dealer's present and future 'deserved' allocation expectations from CF for both past and current product...

"...Have you been introduced to the Speed SXS yet?.....LOL" Appreciate the humor yet not apples to apples. Too many of us have been first in line adaptors over the years and never believe that we will ever get the first of anything (exciting) from a dealer let alone their 2nd or 3rd delivery...

Put yourself in the position of a dealer loyal to CFMOTO for years now: The very best product that you have ever offered for sale at the very highest price point is killing your business with a budding major manufacturer as no one will put a (necessarily) non-refundable deposit down due to a...