Smallest toy hauler that would still fit a Funco Gen4.

And talking to a couple of different guys that used to work for us and did all of our diesel work. After getting all the info from them I'm going to stay away from a Chevy and buy a Dodge. Stick with the 6.7. just have to be careful of the aluminum injector pump on the 2019 and 2020 trucks. Probably go with a 3500 single rear wheel. Would like to find the exact weight ratings on the ww le3505. I am assuming I will be fine to hook that up to a srw late model Dodge truck 3500.
 
So I found some info on the weekend warrior le3505. So let's say I load this thing to the gills at 16,000 lb gross weight. Who knows what the pin weight would be. Could I get away with a newer Dodge or Ford diesel 3500 single rear wheel or would I be better to go to a dual rear wheel. Everything I'm reading seems like that is right at about the breaking point. I've read a lot of guys towing with single but a lot of them say they've done dual and it tows so much better and is safer. One of our guys that used to work for us I was talking to him tonight and he said the newer Ford trucks especially 2018 and 2019 are really good. They are a little priceier but yet I would have a higher budget buying an older weekend warrior.
 

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Buy the Ford dually and don't look back. It's the best truck on the market. The WW 3505 is a great trailer but heavy as shit. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
 
Getting closer to figuring this out. Found my trailer. WW CR3905. 4 feet longer than the LE3505 and 1350 lbs heavier. This link from JD power says this trailer is 11,600 lbs dry. I can't seem to find anywhere the carrying capacity and hope it is 6000 lbs like the LE3505. What a neat trailer. optional up to 2 slides. They are small though. One for the couch and one for the bedroom closet area. But I think would make all the difference in the world. 16' to the slide so perfect for the Funco with 1'3" to spare. Going in the morning to drive a new 3500 Chevy Duramax dually. I like it has a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty on it. LT more of a base model is 74k plus tax and fees. I see several nice cr3905s with 2 slides for $25-32k. This would keep me under my $125k budget. Only thing I am wondering is if I could buy another diesel pusher with a light aluminum enclosed box trailer for my wifes little Audi TT with that same budget. I am guessing an all aluminum box trailer 20' would be 25k. That leaves 100k for a used pusher. If we were traveling and stopping at campsites it seems like it would be a PITA with a trailer and pulling a car in and out. Just need to think about this a little more and research.
 

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Just talked with my wife and a moho and trailer will not be an option. We have some really cool electric off road bikes and need to be able to throw them in the truck and go explore. Bought her a Bakcou mule 2025 series. It is the number one electric bike sold to hunters the last two years running. I bought a Pedego electric elevate.
 
Pedego decided to get out of the mountain bikes and are currently having a closeout on the Elevate model. Great components and blowout pricing so good I could not say no.
 
Hondajimz said:
Buy the Ford dually and don't look back. It's the best truck on the market. The WW 3505 is a great trailer but heavy as shit. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
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I'm a diehard GM guy, but..

The company I work for builds industrial equipment on the F550. These trucks are amazing.

Not sure I'd drive a dodge truck if someone just gave it to me. Dash would probably fall off and break my knee cap...
 
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Getting closer to figuring this out. Found my trailer. WW CR3905. 4 feet longer than the LE3505 and 1350 lbs heavier. This link from JD power says this trailer is 11,600 lbs dry. I can't seem to find anywhere the carrying capacity and hope it is 6000 lbs like the LE3505. What a neat trailer. optional up to 2 slides. They are small though. One for the couch and one for the bedroom closet area. But I think would make all the difference in the world. 16' to the slide so perfect for the Funco with 1'3" to spare.
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Don't forget that published weights from WW back in those days were optimistic at best. Going from a 'basic' LE series to a typically more heavily optioned CR is going to take away from the carrying capacity since almost all the 5ers of that timeframe were 16k GVWR (partly because most pickups in that era couldn't "legally" carry trailers much larger than 16k). Best bet is going to be a trip to the scale with whatever trailer you're looking at to get hard numbers. With a dually tow rig, you can essentially pull anything in this segment.

Here's a chart from the old website showing '09 models for reference:
Take note of the disclaimer at the bottom
 
onanysunday said:
Getting closer to figuring this out. Found my trailer. WW CR3905. 4 feet longer than the LE3505 and 1350 lbs heavier. This link from JD power says this trailer is 11,600 lbs dry. I can't seem to find anywhere the carrying capacity and hope it is 6000 lbs like the LE3505. What a neat trailer. optional up to 2 slides. They are small though. One for the couch and one for the bedroom closet area. But I think would make all the difference in the world. 16' to the slide so perfect for the Funco with 1'3" to spare. Going in the morning to drive a new 3500 Chevy Duramax dually. I like it has a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty on it. LT more of a base model is 74k plus tax and fees. I see several nice cr3905s with 2 slides for $25-32k. This would keep me under my $125k budget. Only thing I am wondering is if I could buy another diesel pusher with a light aluminum enclosed box trailer for my wifes little Audi TT with that same budget. I am guessing an all aluminum box trailer 20' would be 25k. That leaves 100k for a used pusher. If we were traveling and stopping at campsites it seems like it would be a PITA with a trailer and pulling a car in and out. Just need to think about this a little more and research.
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I had a 2007 WW 3905 (single slide in the bedroom) before I purchased my Genesis, great setup and that floor plan set the precedence that most of today's 5th wheels utilize. Great storage inside and out and plenty of cargo space. Just know that you will need to maintain it, these rigs are getting old and although built well they are all wood construction and mileage beats up everything.
If you can find a 2008 that was the best year for these rigs, the roof design was better than the 2007's......2009 was the last year for WW so you have to wonder at what point that year did the workers know the end was near and when and where did they start to cut corners or be disgruntle!!!
 
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Don't forget that published weights from WW back in those days were optimistic at best. Going from a 'basic' LE series to a typically more heavily optioned CR is going to take away from the carrying capacity since almost all the 5ers of that timeframe were 16k GVWR (partly because most pickups in that era couldn't "legally" carry trailers much larger than 16k). Best bet is going to be a trip to the scale with whatever trailer you're looking at to get hard numbers. With a dually tow rig, you can essentially pull anything in this segment.

Here's a chart from the old website showing '09 models for reference:
Take note of the disclaimer at the bottom
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Thanks for this. Just what I was worried about. Payload is only 4,400 lb. Whereas payload for the 3505 is 5750. So the 3905 won't work.
 
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I remember reading and hearing about the sagging wall problems with these trailers. Never really knew how or what was going on. Just watched this and looks to be the correct way to fix the issues. But damn that's a lot of work. I would have no problem tackling this project myself but not something you're doing in a day for sure. Can anything ever be easy?
 
Or just find something like this where the roof and wall sagging has all been addressed. Make life easier. I would assume there are different levels of competency in the wall sag repairs done on some of these trailers. Now I know how to inspect it. https://www.facebook.com/share/15Asad2XouC/ so is this a warranty issue that ww was repairing. Or was it just aftermarket people doing it? Certainly seems like there's lots of info to research on it.
 
Something else I am thinking about. I run flex fuel in my buggy and there are not a lot of stations that carry it. The Chevron that is the closest to my house does not have access for me to pull a truck and trailer of this size in and fill a fuel station in the trailer. So I was wondering using the Chevy truck as an example if I could squeeze an 80 gallon tank into the bed of the truck.
 

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Whole lot of questions that would need to be answered. I know I would want an 80 to 100 gallon tank. A toolbox would be nice as well. Then obviously the fifth wheel hitch. And maybe this makes a difference on what size bed you get to squeeze it all in there.
 
I have no loyalty to any brand of vehicle. It's not like they are paying me or giving me big discounts so whatever fits the bill when I want/need it...that's what I get. With that said...The only thing that comes close to making me a fan boy is our Mercedes. I have never come close to "loving" a car, but man I like driving this thing and can't see myself owning a different daily driver now.

For trucks, I've owned a Nissan (first truck). It was a POS...😂 I got back from desert Storm in '91 and needed a vehicle. They were selling them for $3500 new. Boom. Done. I drove the wheels off it. I got rid of it 9 years later with 300K on it. Other than routine maintenance, a few clutches and timing belts, it never gave me any problems. Then I got a Ford F150 4x4. LOVED it. Great truck, very comfortable, loved the color and it drove nice. I only had that 6 years because I needed a 3/4 ton to tow a bigger trailer. Then I got a POS Dodge 2500 diesel 4x4. The biggest POS ever built. Fucking hated everything about it except for the Cummins. The only reason I bought it was it was the only 3/4 ton that would fit in my garage due to my HOA. The Dodge did its job in being a tow beast but I always described it as the "Yugo" of trucks. After it hit 100K, shit just started falling apart and it was $1500 or more every time. With that said, I had it 14 years and when I got rid of it, was at 300K. I was so over it, I listed it for $10K...I didn't get one look at it. To me, that was fair. People commenting..."Something's wrong with this truck...why so low?" So...I took the add down. A week later I listed it for $20K. Everyone wanted to buy it then. Just fucking stupid. Got asking price. Then I bough my Chevy 2500HD diesel 4x4 LTZ. I really like it. First time I got everything and more I wanted my truck. It drives great, lots of power, comfortable. Then we moved to Havasu 6 months later and I only ever use it now to launch and recover my boat. It really just sits in the garage. I'll probably have it 20 plus years and sell it with under 50K on it. 😂

Lastly, We bough a new Super C. It's built on a Ford F600 diesel 4x4 chassis. It's on a lift and mud tires. Thing is seriously a beast. Tons of power, drives almost like a car. It gets decent gas mileage for a moho (10-14 mpg). With that said, I'm not a fan of the cab layout and quality. Maybe that's just due to a "commercial" type, mass produced platform. This was not designed for luxury or comfort, but for a work truck. It still has the Ford entertain package and isn't "bad", just nowhere near what my Chevy is.

With all that said and in my less than valuable opinion, I'd probably go with a Ford F450 if I was looking for more power/beef for towing. The one thing I can say about Ford, they don't take government money to bail them out and always come back strong. They are a good truck and plan on building trucks a long time. I have heard "rumors" that chevy might reduce their truck line. Not sure why, but I can never see Ford doing that.
 
I think on that year you still have to worry about the troublesome CP4 pump.
 
You have to worry about high pressure pump failure on the L5P also but at least on the Ford you can install a bypass kit or upgrade the pump to a DCR. I don't think that's possible on the Chevy
 
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