Midair Collision - DC - American Airlines and Blackhawk

I heard it was a green and white dignitary bird; and no reason at all it should be flying through the landing pattern. Some high level govt persons just got wacked
 
I heard it was a green and white dignitary bird; and no reason at all it should be flying through the landing pattern. Some high level govt persons just got wacked
The news I'm watching said the Blackhawk had three soldiers including the pilots on board and it was a training flight.
 
The news I'm watching said the Blackhawk had three soldiers including the pilots on board and it was a training flight.
Looks like a regular flight crew, pilot, copilot and crew chief on a training flight, bummer.
 
Crazy something like this can happen in this day and age. Very sad situation.
 
Crazy something like this can happen in this day and age. Very sad situation.

It really is crazy with all the modern day collision avoidance etc?


A B1 bomber crashed as well?

WTF?
 
First off, ATC should of had a choke chain on both of the aircraft 1/2 mile from end of runway.

A/A jet had atleast 5 strokes and was probable lite up and blinking like a christmas tree. The J hawk probably only had 1 red steady maker light on and probably could not be scene from a front view.

A/A jet was flying an approved approch from what I can see on NAV chart and probably on a ILS approch.

The video of the impact looked like the A/A jet was lined up on runway (you can see both landing lights) and J hawk flew in from the left side of screen.

All speculation, but ATC is the main target of investigation in my option.

Just should of never happened...................

What do you say @Mac
 
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Somebody who saw the entire video said there was 38 seconds of time that they were in each other's path.. something really weird here
 
ATC...definitely screwed up, but they were calling out.

Having flown military aircraft, the H-60 specially (same helicopter), depending on the life of the aircraft and condition, radios can be really bad and hard to hear. It is reported the helicopter was on goggles. Kind of crazy to me being on goggles in a densely populated area. Lots of distractions and plumming. Let's not forget, you only have 9-11 degrees field of view with googles. An aircraft at your "90" would be hard to see. Also, what was the currency of the crew, quals, etc... Things that are rarely discussed, were any of the crew involved in personal issues, crew issues, etc. These are HUGE. I've done investigations were the crew were fighting...and lost situational awareness and crashed. It happens.

I don't have a lot of blame for the airliner. They were on final and focused on the landing, as they should have been. Not sure if they had collision avoidance gear or not. Not all military aircraft have collision avoidance due to budget, age of aircraft, etc...

I'm sticking with helicopter crew human factors on this one with a supporting factor of ATC involvement and awareness. In the end, it was people that got other people killed.
 
Somebody who saw the entire video said there was 38 seconds of time that they were in each other's path.. something really weird here
That video is very poor and lacks depth. You can't tell much other than "it happened." The video is only going to serve to feed conspiracy theorists...."Trump ordered a hit!"

The left was already saying Mayorkas was on a flight into DCA and that he could have been targeted. SMH
 
Just scary really, if you ever listen to the air craft frequencies...it's crazy that more don't crash...Again just sad all around.
 
ATC...definitely screwed up, but they were calling out.



Not sure if they had collision avoidance gear or not.

I'm sticking with helicopter crew human factors on this one with a supporting factor of ATC involvement and awareness. In the end, it was people that got other people killed.
Local talk radio had a pilot on who fly's that model AA plane and said they do have collision avoidance on that plane, It just doesn't work the same below 1000'as it does above, accident happened at 400' .

Latest theory is when Helo had responded they had visual on the AA flight he was looking at something else.
 
The news indicated the "ATC" support for the "DC" airport was 19 people down,
and the one person was directing Helo on one channel, and jet on another.
They both could not hear the other channels.
There's talk about the DEI hiring fiasco. They overlooked White ATC certified
controllers because they were over qualified. WTF?"
 
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