DZRTRUN Posted January 9 Member ID: 230 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 104 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 100 Achievement Points: 750 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 8 hours ago Device: iPhone Share Posted January 9 I have the 2d out of my Gen 4 for service and I brought home a S4 mock up from McMullen out here in Phoenix. This Gen 4 is an original V8 2d 930 car and I wanted to see if the S would fit. Here is a photo of why it doesn’t fit basically the back tube would have to be cut out of the car. I am not sure what the difference between this car and an original S4 car is but they are different. If that tube wasn’t there. The S would literally bolt into the car. Hopefully someone finds this helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Moderator Squatcher Posted January 9 Member ID: 28 Group: Forum Moderator Followers: 1 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 503 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 407 Achievement Points: 3,896 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/01/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: Yesterday at 04:58 AM Birthday: 02/01/1970 Device: Android Forum Moderator Share Posted January 9 so Kevin does fab work get that S4 installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZRTRUN Posted January 9 Member ID: 230 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 104 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 100 Achievement Points: 750 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 8 hours ago Device: iPhone Author Share Posted January 9 Just now, Squatcher said: so Kevin does fab work get that S4 installed. I know, but cutting up this basically perfect car is just not something I am willing to do. It would be cool to make it more perfect but there comes a point that you sell it and buy a S4 car if that’s what you want. This car has 3 hard seasons on it and the 2d just started growling at me. I just know this question comes up a lot so I figured I would put the answer here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Grease Monkey Posted January 9 Member ID: 5 Group: Administrators Followers: 3 Topic Count: 473 Topics Per Day: 0.43 Content Count: 1,952 Content Per Day: 1.78 Reputation: 2,916 Achievement Points: 20,141 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 20 Joined: 04/29/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 01/21/1972 Device: Android Administrators Share Posted January 9 I feel like @onanysunday has been down this road before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard h Posted January 9 Member ID: 185 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,293 Content Per Day: 1.19 Reputation: 1,116 Achievement Points: 12,144 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 08/08/1953 Device: Windows Share Posted January 9 16 minutes ago, Grease Monkey said: I feel like @onanysunday has been down this road before. Yes he did this. I got his 2d when he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.R.S. Posted January 9 Member ID: 109 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,498 Content Per Day: 1.37 Reputation: 2,010 Achievement Points: 10,943 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 6 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 03/31/1972 Device: Android Share Posted January 9 Do it and sell Balin that busted azz 2d. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjZ06 Posted January 9 Member ID: 1,109 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 931 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 1,089 Achievement Points: 6,664 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/09/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 4 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted January 9 48 minutes ago, DZRTRUN said: I know, but cutting up this basically perfect car is just not something I am willing to do. It would be cool to make it more perfect but there comes a point that you sell it and buy a S4 car if that’s what you want. This car has 3 hard seasons on it and the 2d just started growling at me. I just know this question comes up a lot so I figured I would put the answer here. Stop trying to be helpful! -TJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Sponsor Poule43 Posted January 10 Member ID: 41 Group: Site Sponsor Followers: 3 Topic Count: 173 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 2,353 Content Per Day: 2.15 Reputation: 2,649 Achievement Points: 19,817 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 05/02/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 11/10/1876 Device: Windows Site Sponsor Share Posted January 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, L.R.S. said: Do it and sell Balin that busted azz 2d. I will pay you ABSOLUTE TOP DOLLAR for that 2D ! Bill, That looks like not that much more work considering where you are at right now........ a little snip and some mask off and touch up with some white paint & some automotive 2 part clear and you have an S4. Jeff @L.R.S. already comitted and said he would buy the 2D for Balin for ABSOLUTE TOP $$$$ to you soo IMHO.....you can't lose. All joking aside...........My 2cents............you love the car......you said its a perfect car......why not just do the small modification a / touch it up perfect (like we all know you will) and have the peace of mind of the S4 !!!! Something to consider!...(way easier than buying and selling for a new one) Edited January 10 by Poule43 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onanysunday Posted January 10 Member ID: 605 Group: Members Followers: 3 Topic Count: 214 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 2,892 Content Per Day: 2.65 Reputation: 2,524 Achievement Points: 20,774 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 2 Joined: 05/07/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 4 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, DZRTRUN said: I have the 2d out of my Gen 4 for service and I brought home a S4 mock up from McMullen out here in Phoenix. This Gen 4 is an original V8 2d 930 car and I wanted to see if the S would fit. Here is a photo of why it doesn’t fit basically the back tube would have to be cut out of the car. I am not sure what the difference between this car and an original S4 car is but they are different. If that tube wasn’t there. The S would literally bolt into the car. Hopefully someone finds this helpful. I had a full build thread that got lost in the crash. It is a huge job. A lot more to it than just cutting out a bar. I still have all those pics if you wanted them posted here with some explanation. Worth every hour it took. Completely different car and I would never go back to a 2d. ( Broke mine 5 times before calling uncle) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZRTRUN Posted January 10 Member ID: 230 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 104 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 100 Achievement Points: 750 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 8 hours ago Device: iPhone Author Share Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, Poule43 said: Bill, That looks like not that much more work considering where you are at right now........ a little snip and some mask off and touch up with some white paint & some automotive 2 part clear and you have an S4. Jeff @L.R.S. already comitted and said he would buy the 2D for Balin for ABSOLUTE TOP $$$$ to you soo IMHO.....you can't lose. All joking aside...........My 2cents............you love the car......you said its a perfect car......why not just do the small modification a / touch it up perfect (like we all know you will) and have the peace of mind of the S4 !!!! Something to consider!...(way easier than buying and selling for a new one) Because I am dumb and make everything difficult. If I go that far it will get new rear 934 arms. Halfway through I will get drunk and decide it needs a custom aluminum body and a radius roof. Then I will get drunker and decide it needs the new front arms and 3.0 shocks. It’s best we leave Pandora’s box close. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Grease Monkey Posted January 10 Member ID: 5 Group: Administrators Followers: 3 Topic Count: 473 Topics Per Day: 0.43 Content Count: 1,952 Content Per Day: 1.78 Reputation: 2,916 Achievement Points: 20,141 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 20 Joined: 04/29/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 01/21/1972 Device: Android Administrators Share Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, DZRTRUN said: Because I am dumb and make everything difficult. If I go that far it will get new rear 934 arms. Halfway through I will get drunk and decide it needs a custom aluminum body and a radius roof. Then I will get drunker and decide it needs the new front arms and 3.0 shocks. It’s best we leave Pandora’s box close. Ill pitch in a bottle of your choosing to get this build thread started. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Sponsor Poule43 Posted January 10 Member ID: 41 Group: Site Sponsor Followers: 3 Topic Count: 173 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 2,353 Content Per Day: 2.15 Reputation: 2,649 Achievement Points: 19,817 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 05/02/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 11/10/1876 Device: Windows Site Sponsor Share Posted January 10 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DZRTRUN said: Because I am dumb and make everything difficult. If I go that far it will get new rear 934 arms. Halfway through I will get drunk and decide it needs a custom aluminum body and a radius roof. Then I will get drunker and decide it needs the new front arms and 3.0 shocks. It’s best we leave Pandora’s box close. OK, I do the same stupid chit....I get it......slam tyhe 2D back in and go do an extra 10 day trip! My bad - forgot who I was dealing with! Edited January 10 by Poule43 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard h Posted January 10 Member ID: 185 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,293 Content Per Day: 1.19 Reputation: 1,116 Achievement Points: 12,144 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 08/08/1953 Device: Windows Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, onanysunday said: 2d. ( Broke mine 5 times before calling uncle) And I have never broken it, been great and love the gear stack you did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennywise Posted January 10 Member ID: 273 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 342 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 408 Achievement Points: 3,038 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted January 10 It’s super easy here are some pics from mine. We went a little over the top but it’s a solid conversion. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard h Posted January 10 Member ID: 185 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,293 Content Per Day: 1.19 Reputation: 1,116 Achievement Points: 12,144 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 08/08/1953 Device: Windows Share Posted January 10 13 hours ago, Pennywise said: It’s super easy here are some pics from mine. We went a little over the top but it’s a solid conversion. Looks great! Critical area is when you cut the pivot tube, but you have braced it well imo. I had to do this on my mid-engine to do a motor change, never had an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r3meyer Posted January 10 Member ID: 280 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 276 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 189 Achievement Points: 1,869 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 7 hours ago Device: Macintosh Share Posted January 10 Let's be honest, you posted on here knowing damn well we are going to tell you to just do it. Selling the 2d is the hard part, thats in the bag. An S4S car will sell 1000% better than any 2d car. Also good luck finding another car with the upgraded parts for a great price. You can find all sorts of LS1 2d listings with "Fresh trans! ready to go!" though. Even cars with PBS are listed for 100k right now which blows my mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onanysunday Posted January 10 Member ID: 605 Group: Members Followers: 3 Topic Count: 214 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 2,892 Content Per Day: 2.65 Reputation: 2,524 Achievement Points: 20,774 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 2 Joined: 05/07/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 4 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted January 10 I also had to cut the sump for clearance on my fuel tank. The center console glove box between the rear seats just fit above the transmission. If you're going to do the project I'm happy to post pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URCLEVER Posted January 10 Member ID: 201 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 653 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 500 Achievement Points: 5,712 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 13 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted January 10 My buddy just had his car done for S5D and it was pricey to do. Bill don't cut that car up, it has been perfect for the last 3+ seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.R.S. Posted January 10 Member ID: 109 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,498 Content Per Day: 1.37 Reputation: 2,010 Achievement Points: 10,943 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 6 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 03/31/1972 Device: Android Share Posted January 10 I'm torn on this one. This car is perfect, but my son wants a 2D for his Tatum. Also, I have been chasing this Funco through the dunes for years and I have a hard enough time keeping up. Can't imagine how much harder I'll have to drive my car to keep up if @DZRTRUNdoes the S4. That will lead to a Whipple 4.0... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Moderator Squatcher Posted January 10 Member ID: 28 Group: Forum Moderator Followers: 1 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 503 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 407 Achievement Points: 3,896 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/01/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: Yesterday at 04:58 AM Birthday: 02/01/1970 Device: Android Forum Moderator Share Posted January 10 22 hours ago, DZRTRUN said: Because I am dumb and make everything difficult. If I go that far it will get new rear 934 arms. Halfway through I will get drunk and decide it needs a custom aluminum body and a radius roof. Then I will get drunker and decide it needs the new front arms and 3.0 shocks. It’s best we leave Pandora’s box close. Smartest commit I have seen in a long time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZRTRUN Posted January 11 Member ID: 230 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 104 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 100 Achievement Points: 750 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 8 hours ago Device: iPhone Author Share Posted January 11 11 hours ago, URCLEVER said: My buddy just had his car done for S5D and it was pricey to do. Bill don't cut that car up, it has been perfect for the last 3+ seasons. I am going to leave it alone. That 2d owes me nothing. If I could find a Fortin 4 speed sequential I would consider it because it’s an easy direct swap. I would keep the 930’s with the Fortin stars and cages. That would keep the balance of the car the same and not chop it up. If I don’t find one before the 2d gets back I will just throw it back in and run it until I decide to upgrade to another Gen 6. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.R.S. Posted January 11 Member ID: 109 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,498 Content Per Day: 1.37 Reputation: 2,010 Achievement Points: 10,943 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 6 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 03/31/1972 Device: Android Share Posted January 11 39 minutes ago, DZRTRUN said: I am going to leave it alone. That 2d owes me nothing. If I could find a Fortin 4 speed sequential I would consider it because it’s an easy direct swap. I would keep the 930’s with the Fortin stars and cages. That would keep the balance of the car the same and not chop it up. If I don’t find one before the 2d gets back I will just throw it back in and run it until I decide to upgrade to another Gen 6. Who are you and where's the @DZRTRUNI've known for years that does engine swaps and on board air installs in Glamis, while drunk, with a bunch of drunk supervision? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZRTRUN Posted January 11 Member ID: 230 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 104 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 100 Achievement Points: 750 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 8 hours ago Device: iPhone Author Share Posted January 11 3 minutes ago, L.R.S. said: Who are you and where's the @DZRTRUNI've known for years that does engine swaps and on board air installs in Glamis, while drunk, with a bunch of drunk supervision? Retired 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennywise Posted January 11 Member ID: 273 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 342 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 408 Achievement Points: 3,038 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted January 11 8 hours ago, DZRTRUN said: I am going to leave it alone. That 2d owes me nothing. If I could find a Fortin 4 speed sequential I would consider it because it’s an easy direct swap. I would keep the 930’s with the Fortin stars and cages. That would keep the balance of the car the same and not chop it up. If I don’t find one before the 2d gets back I will just throw it back in and run it until I decide to upgrade to another Gen 6. If I had to do it over I’d of left mine alone. I ended up $160k into this car. New S4, shifter, aluminum, trailing arms, new hubs, CV’s, Axles, tons of fab work, re-wire, re-plumb, on & on & on. It’s crazy how fast all these new parts add up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URCLEVER Posted January 11 Member ID: 201 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 653 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 500 Achievement Points: 5,712 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/05/2021 Status: Offline Last Seen: 13 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted January 11 5 hours ago, Pennywise said: If I had to do it over I’d of left mine alone. I ended up $160k into this car. New S4, shifter, aluminum, trailing arms, new hubs, CV’s, Axles, tons of fab work, re-wire, re-plumb, on & on & on. It’s crazy how fast all these new parts add up. Have you driven it and ran through the shakedown yet? Need a ride report... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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